I'm not disputing that. I'm countering claims its a PED
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Why would they say this in Feb 2013
http://www.crimecommission.gov.au/publications/other-publications/appendix-one-overview-of-peptides
AOD-9604 works by mimicking the way natural GH regulates the metabolism of fat by stimulating lipolysis (the breakdown or destruction of fat) and inhibits lipogenesis (the transformation of non-fat food materials into body fat). Reports by Caldaza Ltd have shown that AOD-9604 had positive (anabolic) effects on cartilage tissue formation as well as enhancements in the ‘differential of muscle progenitor cells (cells that create muscle cells) to muscle cells’. Other purported benefits of AOD-9604 include increasing muscle mass and IGF-1 levels. AOD-9604 is not approved for human use.
http://www.crimecommission.gov.au/publications/other-publications/appendix-one-overview-of-peptides
and then this in April from the link you provided
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Sounds like they either
1. haven't researched properly and don't know their product 100% or
2. they are lying through their teeth.that's a huge back flip within 2 months
either option is deplorable
I ask as well, what type of organization let a product like this get injected into young males.....
A point which is totally and utterly irrelevant for whether Mr Jobe Watson will be banned for up to two years for using it, because it is a prohibited substance under S0 of the WADA code.
Of course they havent researched it properly - its an experimental drug.
Now, why James Hird was ok with his players being given a drug he knew was experimental is a second question.
I'm not disputing it isnt under the catch all phrase. But people are claiming it isnt approved for human use which seems odd given I can buy it at stores in Australia to use on humans
Agree. Again, not disputing that
The grey area around AOD-9604 does not exist.
It is completely black and white.
The stuff is approved for human pharmaceutical use nowhere on the planet.
It fails section 0.
Anyone who tells you otherwise is either delusional, lying to you, or both.
Doc Reid said it was ok to use, thats why Hird was ok with it.
So the club has come out with the statement saying the same thing they've been saying all along.. and not confirming what Jobe said OTC.
I'm sure someone has probably said this.. but I'm guessing that means the playing group and the club administration are starting to come apart.
Jobe is saying "the players haven't done anything wrong. It was the club's fault". The club isn't ready to admit that, which is why they're stonewalling. They probably want to work out if it's better for the club to get all the penalties or whether to lose some of their players for 6 months.
It will be interesting to see how the players respond this week if they're starting to feel like the club is hanging them out to dry.
I'm sure someone has probably said this.. but I'm guessing that means the playing group and the club administration are starting to come apart.
Jobe is saying "the players haven't done anything wrong. It was the club's fault". The club isn't ready to admit that, which is why they're stonewalling. They probably want to work out if it's better for the club to get all the penalties or whether to lose some of their players for 6 months.
It will be interesting to see how the players respond this week if they're starting to feel like the club is hanging them out to dry.
So why do Essendon believe they have evidence showing how it could be used in 2012 within WADA guidelines? Is this just bluff?
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Sure, if Essendon players are wearing makeup, worried about their cellulite or living in America. Which is it? In any case nowehere in the world has it been granted approval for pharmaceutical use. Calzada released a statement saying as such which you are obviously familiar with.
All of which is irrelevant to the WADA rules that state that the substance is banned. The rest is just smoke and mirrors.
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got any proof of this?
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What WADA relies upon is that is is not approved for human therapeutic use. The phrases are put together.
It does not matter if it is a cosmetic or a self approved food additive in the USA. It is not approved anywhere in the world for human therapeutic use.
And no, the special exemption clause of TGA does not override that, either.
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if there was zero grey area, watson would not be playing Thursday night.
I would also advise you to read this http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-25/how-the-dons-might-argue-their-case
Jobe said it
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So can someone explain to me this. It was said on 360 tonight that a player admits to taking a banned substance and they knew it was banned then they would be suspended on the spot. However since Jobe Watson admitted to taking the banned substance but claimed he believed it wasn't banned he won't be banned on the spot because it was unintentional. But whether he intentionally took it or not shouldn't matter because it is a strict liability offence and it follows that he should be auto suspended doesn't it?
I honestly believe that you will improve people's perception of Essendon by refraining from any further posting.
It is tiresome, arrogant and is doing neither yourself nor your club any favours.
Give it a rest.
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Because you have no idea what that evidence actually amounts to.
Thanks for the advice. Maybe share your view with all the arrogant stkilda, north and Carlton supporters too
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Again the AFL have said all along that no action will be taken until such time as the ASADA investigation is complete. Jobe can say what he wants, Bigfooty can dig up what they want, and Essendon and its supporters can be as confident as they like, until the report is issued, its all meaningless.
What is black and white - the substance is banned by WADA, has been since 2011. Jobe took it.
What is grey is what the AFL and ASADA will want to do about it since the investigation is still ongoing.
I'm happy to trust them until proven otherwise
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About 5 weeks too late, but fantastic post.
mxett would make a great death row lawyer though....until his client was executed because he didn't really have a clue or valid legal argument.
But credit to him for flying the flag in the face of overwhelming evidence he is wrong.
Maybe this is Vlad's BF multi acct? mxett is never wrong after all.
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