Irritating people/things that annoy you in the gym

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I don't actually see where people are assuming he's using the momentum at all?

From what I can tell, he gets his arms down into the position before you begin a single rep (imagine each time you return from a repetition of a should press, you look like a field goal/ or |_| with the arms) you are then completing the full motion required for the exercise.

He's starting from a stationary position (not needing any momentum) and not getting any continued spotting until potentially the last rep if at all.

The only part of the exercise where he's getting assistance is moving the dumbells into position for the exercise itself.

To me it's similar to someone with poor upper body strength needing help putting 40kg plates onto a leg press machine. No it's not identical, but the point is it's not actually impacting on the exercise itself.

For the record, personally I try to get the weights up myself (by kneeing them up onto my shoulders and then pressing them up). The only problem here is that the first "rep" or motion of getting them from near my pecs to below lockout at the top of the motion, I don't count that as my first rep.

Why? Because I feel it's sloppy (opposed to the controlled technique I hope for in all reps), it's slower than a normal rep and to me, it's actually not the exercise, it's a different thing. So I get where everyone is coming from and understand the notion of if you can't lift the weight then get something appropriate.

But what if the muscle/s you're working in a single exercise are capable and will benefit from higher weight in said exercise, yet in order to get into the position to complete it you need other muscles which aren't as strong? Why penalise the stronger muscle? Is there a good reason (really!), e.g. you don't want such an imbalance to occur because it's bad for the body?

Anyway, I don't think people will change if they're set in stone anyway as I do think a lot of people believe in both methods and you could probably find evidence for doing both.
 
Of coarse going heavy for 3 reps is good. You have to switch up your weights / reps / sets as much as possible to keep the body guessing or else you will hit a plateau. As well as the fact different people respond to different weights and reps, hence there is no 'perfect workout' and there are people arguing with each other constantly about the right way to go about things. If getting someone to help you get a weight up so you can go heavy for a few reps helps, then by all means do it, the extra weight shocks the muscles. Working the ego? Only if you say so, but I know when I go heavy it's to work my muscles but you would know best hey?
 

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Whomb said:
As I said above, I train purely for size, so I couldn't care less about 'finding my 1 or 3rm', but I know when i was lifting for strength, I preferred to lift for strength.

By that i mean I lifted to get stronger as a whole, not have my mate help lift the weight up so that I could have an inflated and unfounde ego boost.
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So lets get this right. This forum is called bigfooty. This part of the forum is called MyFooty. Coaching, club support and everything else. It would be implied everything else FOOTY. Because it is a footy forum in a section called MY FOOTY.
How is me doing one rep of lifting the weight up to my shoulder going to advantage me? Because then I would be doing 6 - 8 reps minimum. And that isnt going to advantage me as much, is it?

I couldn't care less what I lift. Don't think Ive ever posted it on this forum. I only care that I am improving.

Pez suggested dropping 5-10kg. O.k. That puts me back to the 6-8 range. Not ideal for my training, huh Pez?
 
Syphoncom said:
I don't actually see where people are assuming he's using the momentum at all?

From what I can tell, he gets his arms down into the position before you begin a single rep (imagine each time you return from a repetition of a should press, you look like a field goal/ or |_| with the arms) you are then completing the full motion required for the exercise.
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Why would one use their mate to lift their arms to the full extension only to bring them back to the starting position again? That itself is a massive waste of energy. From everything i read he starts in the extended position.

The point here is he is starting the exercise from the full extension. The general consensus (at least it should be) - Don't rely on your mate to lift your elbows and you will actually lift the weight yourself and find it more beneficial. Kick the weight up with your knees fellas - you will be surprised how high up you can get the weight.

Carltonblue - Feel free to do what you want :thumbsu:

It really speaks wonders on your strength though with your inability to lift your own weights. What other exercises you get mates to help you with the weight in strength training? DeadLifts? Squats? Pull Ups?
 
ThePezDispenser said:
Why would one use their mate to lift their arms to the full extension only to bring them back to the starting position again? That itself is a massive waste of energy. From everything i read he starts in the extended position.

The point here is he is starting the exercise from the full extension. The general consensus (at least it should be) - Don't rely on your mate to lift your elbows and you will actually lift the weight yourself and find it more beneficial. Kick the weight up with your knees fellas - you will be surprised how high up you can get the weight.

Carltonblue - Feel free to do what you want :thumbsu:

It really speaks wonders on your strength though with your inability to lift your own weights. What other exercises you get mates to help you with the weight in strength training? DeadLifts? Squats? Pull Ups?
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I don't get a spot for any excercise. I get one spot to get into position for an excercise. That excercise is of course the shoulder press. If the excerice I was performing was called a kick it up with your knees then shoulder press I wouldn't get a spot.

Whats the point in kicking it up with your knees anyway? What benefit would I get out of that? What benefit does anyone get out of it? Yeah if I could do it I would so I didn't need to annoy someone else but me getting someone to help me get into position is hardly cheating myself on the shoulder press.

All I do is what this guy does.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSpRFvJ2dEE&NR=1

I'm not denying that I am not strong. But I am not going to get (much) stronger by kneeing my DBs up to starting position and the strength is going. You say it is beneficial. How? When I tackle people I never sit them on my knees and chuck them into the air, I never fend people with my arms starting at my knees and going to my shoulders?

So if you want to think you are doing the excercise the only right way just because you are stronger and bigger then me well take another look at the video. But then again he might be doing a different excercise. After all he is doing the shoulder press not the 'kick it up with knees then shoulder press'.
 
Is that guy wearing a mouthguard?

Back to the point. You will realise the guy only had help with getting the weight to his shoulders not to the full extension like has been mentioned.

I must have misread what you were actually doing - If that's how you have to do it to get up in the weights then go for it - At least there you are are actually starting the press from your shoulders

Anyways that'll do for shoulder press form - So from me good luck with shoulder development/strength everyone :thumbsu:

New topic!
 
ThePezDispenser said:
Is that guy wearing a mouthguard?

Back to the point. You will realise the guy only had help with getting the weight to his shoulders not to the full extension like has been mentioned.

I must have misread what you were actually doing - If that's how you have to do it to get up in the weights then go for it - At least there you are are actually starting the press from your shoulders

Anyways that'll do for shoulder press form - So from me good luck with shoulder development/strength everyone :thumbsu:

New topic!
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Cheers to that post!
 
Alright new one lol

Mate who comes to the gym with you - supersets his workout is finished in 30 minutes then hangs around you talking whilst you are trying to do your workout.
 
Whomb said:
Yes, I hate that, Pez. (Moving right along)

Even worse for me is when I go home, I see people that I don't want to talk to, who come up and start telling me how hard they've been training etc. The irony is they're wasting 10 minutes of their own and mine, standing there talking.

I usually actually keep lifting, but they don't get the hint, and actually keep talking to me while I'm lifting!


Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu...
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:mad:

The only exception I made for this rule was when an extraordinarily hot trainer would come and talk to me at my old gym in melbs. It did kinda peeve me that she would drag out how long I was at the gym... but damn she was fine.
 
sam50 said:
What I'm seeing is you get your mate to push the weight up there on the shoulder press to take advantage of the stretch shortening cycle and just bounce out of the bottom position. Why not try going back a couple kgs and do it yourself? Call it training variation lol.
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yeh just to avoid getting stuck, i don't use momentum though. i pause at the top as if i'm starting the exercise again. lowering weight means you have to do more reps and we were discussing trying to do 1 or 2.

the only people who agreed with me for my point were people who train for strength so there are obviously advantages and disadvantages

it's all good

i found a new thing that annoys me....guys with hairwax in their hands that spread it all over the weights :p (i'm guilty of doing this once)


showdownhero said:
:mad:

The only exception I made for this rule was when an extraordinarily hot trainer would come and talk to me at my old gym in melbs. It did kinda peeve me that she would drag out how long I was at the gym... but damn she was fine.
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i'm assuming you did the deed
 
mcuzzy said:
i'm assuming you did the deed
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Went for coffee a couple of times but she had a bf/guy she was into going on. We liked the same music and got on really well but as things were escalating I got transferred to Perth, kinda put a stop to it all.

Also my ex went to the same gym as me which always kinda made me feel weird. Having said that if I got transferred back to Melbourne... she'd get it.
 
This made me lol/rage in equal parts today - 4 guys hanging around the power rack doing deadlifts, ok fine that's fine - but then I notice something.. on their hands... STRAPS.

This wouldn't be too bad except the guy was doing 60kg deadlifts... another guy was doing 100kg and even that for straps I'm iffy with unless you have the grip strength of an 80 year old woman.

I was semi raging but highly amused at the same time.
 

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stormee said:
This wouldn't be too bad except the guy was doing 60kg deadlifts... another guy was doing 100kg and even that for straps I'm iffy with unless you have the grip strength of an 80 year old woman.
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That's a pisser - straps for a 60kg deadlift :D
 
mcuzzy said:
yeh just to avoid getting stuck, i don't use momentum though. i pause at the top as if i'm starting the exercise again. lowering weight means you have to do more reps and we were discussing trying to do 1 or 2.

the only people who agreed with me for my point were people who train for strength so there are obviously advantages and disadvantages

it's all good
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I agree there are advantages and disadvantages. Some people need to get out in the gym and try things before automatically thinking something wont work or will hurt you. Instead of reading something on the internet. Lets face it, you could google just about anything fitness related and find an article to support any point.
 
sam50 said:
Deads are scary to watch, people with their heals off the ground with a rounded thoracic. But straps make you see the funny side lol.
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I was in total shock haha. I try to keep double overhand grip up to 100kg so that I can build my grip strength then go to overhand/underhand but straps for 60kg? Do people do this just because they think it looks awesome? I don't understand it at all.

They also weren't deading the weight at the bottom of the rep.. just going down to like 1 inch from the floor and back up again. STRONG FORM.
 
Stopping an inch from the ground is better than bouncing the weight of the ground

*i don't condone either method
 
stormee said:
Both annoy me. What's wrong with a few calluses? Saw some kid who couldn't have been more than 50kg dripping wet wearing gloves too. Serious facepalm.jpg.
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I'm with you 100% I've been a Water Skier all my life so I consider calluses a badge of honour. Having said that the chin up bar at my gym doesn't have grips and with 15kgs around my waist my hands have started getting seriously ****ed up... so I bought a pair of straps because they are less homo than gloves.

Don't judge me :)
 
Whomb said:
I also don't 'dead' the weight on stiff leggeds, u mad?
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Great for the back!

Who's dissing gloves?

I use to wear them to stop the bar tearing off my dry skin causing massive irritation. Got it all sorted now though so the gloves have gone.

Use to use straps as well lifting heavy but have stopped that to see if i can better my grip.
 
Indeed, great way to stretch them out aswell :thumbsu:
 

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