Is Brendon Goddard Overrated?

[the distributer]

Eh who listens to media muppets of supporters of the team?

Looking at a utility of his class, on field, he's gold

So media- overrate Goddard
Saints supporters- overate Goddard
Football team- give left nut for Goddard

Depends what you want to argue overrated is- media perception or actual ability and worth on field

Id take Pav before Goddard as a utilty, kicks a shit load of goals and can play genuine KP, Goddard cant.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

He's the king of the uncontested disposal.

If you watch him closely, he always kicks it to himself from the kickout (which inflates his figures) & he cherry picks off the HBF.

Really clutching at straws now. Give it up dude.

 

[Tas]

He doesn't look as fit this year and seems more angry. He was fantastic last year though.

 

[Moquo]

Really clutching at straws now. Give it up dude.

Shhhhh! We are enjoying this.

 

[Grimmjow]

Saying goddard is in the top 6 at the saints is a hell of a lot closer than saying he's top 5 in the comp you stupid ****, Hayes and joey are more important to the saints, riewoldt's a better player so shit, goddard's 4th already.

reiwoldt can be made an exception due to being a KPF

youll pick hayes and montagna over goddard?

i dont know whats worst then a stupid fk but im looking at one right now.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Pretty sure the Goddard hype is Aussie Gun's fault. A couple of years ago he was talking him up on here and Mike Sheahan must have got wind of it (I recall an article or something about how Goddard should/could win the Brownlow).

I agree somewhat with the OP which is disappointing because I really want Goddard to be elite. However, I feel that he is given latitude and rated so highly because the numbers and his build suggests that he should be an elite.

Pulls out some epic games at times but doesn't do it often enough.

 

[Tex200]

Its an interesting question. I dont think anybody would think he is not a very good player...but there a lot of very good players. Is he overated?

I think that he may possibly be a bit overated. He was a high draft pick who started back in 2003. Struggled early, has now twice made all australian, never won a club champion, never won any other notable award (stand corrected).

If he were judged purely on his achievements to date, you could certainly not claim he was in the top 5 in the comp. Of course not everyone wins Brownlows, but the great players inevitably rack up awards of some kind or other and those awards generally are the measure of the players place in the pecking order ie AA, Club Champ, AFLPA MVP, Norm Smith medal, even a Michael Tuck medal is something.

So presently he only hangs his hat on 2 x AA in 8 seasons. The facts speak for themselves I believe. They say he is a very good player, perhaps best described as an impact player..but not a consistent star in the way of a Judd, Ablett, Pavlich, Goodes etc etc.

He is obviously a late bloomer and there is obviously plenty of time to improve that record. Who knows, he may yet retire with a cupboard full of awards....but right now...today, yes he is overated.

 

[Tex200]

reiwoldt can be made an exception due to being a KPF

youll pick hayes and montagna over goddard?

i dont know whats worst then a stupid fk but im looking at one right now.

I would have Hayes over Goddard in a heartbeat. I would have Hayes over a whole load of players in the AFL.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Firstly, Goddard is a superstar. One of the best going around. i would happily have him at Collingwood. Secondly the jealousy that some Saints fans have about Collingwood is incredibly amusing. Why would they feel the need to discuss Swan in a Goddard thread? It is obvious that it stems from us having won as many Premierships in the last 6 months as they have in their history.
All that said, Goddard is clearly top 5.

Nice try but this thread clearly shows Collingwood supporters' obsession with St. Kilda. There's only a handful of people in this thread that agree with the OP, and the majority are Collingwood supporters.

 

[Dr Basil]

On output up to now, yes he is over rated. however on what he could become, then he definitely has the capability to be top 5.

This year will be the test, StK need Goddard more than ever to step up. Hayes going down is a huge blow, if Stk are to make top 4 than Goddard will need to take on a much bigger role in the midfield. It will not be easy, opposition teams will be be giving Goddard extra attention now that Hayes is gone.

GF1 proved he is capable, he just has to show that or at least 90% of that, week in , week out.

He has been in the system 8 yrs now, he is at the peak of his powers, he shouldn't be satisfied in being a good player, for StK's sake he has to become a great player, and that only comes with consistently good performances, and whilst even great players can put in an ordinary one, he would want to improve on what he served up last week.

 

[Jabso]

Slightly.

Top 10 player for mine but not the perfect player everyone makes out he is. Just because he's a big strong player who can play mid, forward and back doesn't mean he can play every role. He can not play key position forward or back. He can not play a shutdown role on a forward. He can only play HBF/wing/outside mid/hff.

He is only a flanker/winger, granted the best one in the game. His flexibility is the key because it means he can float to fill in any role at any time and he has smarts to know where to go. If he stayed at one position for a year, especially at HFF/HBF, he'd struggle to have a massive impact on the game every week, much like even the best at those positions do, sure he'd probably make AA but he wouldn't be amongst the elite of the elite.

 

[the distributer]

Nice try but this thread clearly shows Collingwood supporters' obsession with St. Kilda. There's only a handful of people in this thread that agree with the OP, and the majority are Collingwood supporters.

Me and the OP have had the same opinion of goddard for quite a while now, i've made my points long before this thread aired, you like everyone can carry on like he's the best player in the comp if you choose to.

I predicted pretty much after swan fisted him in GF2 that the guy was a pretender, not a pretender of his own accord but one by the fans accord, the guy cannot and i repeat, cannot handle a tag, he couldnt handle one in his early days and he cannot handle one now, if you leave him to be the spareman he will carve you up, but hey, so will heath shaw, gilbert, gram, fisher and quite a few other HBs.

TBH, i would have him in my AA team, but i wouldnt rate him a top 24 player.

 

[Plugger35]

Its an interesting question. I dont think anybody would think he is not a very good player...but there a lot of very good players. Is he overated?

I think that he may possibly be a bit overated. He was a high draft pick who started back in 2003. Struggled early, has now twice made all australian, never won a club champion, never won any other notable award (stand corrected).

If he were judged purely on his achievements to date, you could certainly not claim he was in the top 5 in the comp. Of course not everyone wins Brownlows, but the great players inevitably rack up awards of some kind or other and those awards generally are the measure of the players place in the pecking order ie AA, Club Champ, AFLPA MVP, Norm Smith medal, even a Michael Tuck medal is something.

So presently he only hangs his hat on 2 x AA in 8 seasons. The facts speak for themselves I believe. They say he is a very good player, perhaps best described as an impact player..but not a consistent star in the way of a Judd, Ablett, Pavlich, Goodes etc etc.

He is obviously a late bloomer and there is obviously plenty of time to improve that record. Who knows, he may yet retire with a cupboard full of awards....but right now...today, yes he is overated.

He deserved a Norm Smith medal in the first GF last year, most other GFs he probably would have won it with a performance like that. Unfortunately for him Hayes was just as good or slightly better.

Really don't understand how someone is overrated just because they haven't won enough awards. Goddard has made All Australian twice which shows how good he has been the last couple of years.

Do people actually watch all his games or do they rely on awards to tell them he's a great player? Goddard arguably had a better year last year than Judd but Judd won the Brownlow, does that automatically make him a better player just because he won an award?

 

[Plugger35]

Me and the OP have had the same opinion of goddard for quite a while now, i've made my points long before this thread aired, you like everyone can carry on like he's the best player in the comp.

I predicted pretty much after swan fisted him in GF2 that the guy was a pretender, not a pretender of his own accord but one by the fans accord, the guy cannot and i repeat, cannot handle a tag, he couldnt handle one in his early days and he cannot handle one now, if you leave him to be the spareman he will carve you up, but hey, so will heath shaw, gilbert, gram, fisher and quite a few other HBs.

TBH, i would have him in my AA team, but i wouldnt rate him a top 24 player.

With all due respect, both you and the OP are biased morons who rate Collingwood players above everyone else.

Goddard still had a creditable performance in the GF replay, he was one of our few decent players that day that could hold his head up at the end of it. Calling him a pretender and saying he was fisted by Swan is ridiculous.

 

[the distributer]

He deserved a Norm Smith medal in the first GF last year, most other GFs he probably would have won it with a performance like that. Unfortunately for him Hayes was just as good or slightly better.

Really don't understand how someone is overrated just because they haven't won enough awards. Goddard has made All Australian twice which shows how good he has been the last couple of years.

Do people actually watch all his games or do they rely on awards to tell them he's a great player? Goddard arguably had a better year last year than Judd but Judd won the Brownlow, does that automatically make him a better player just because he won an award?

No, rememeber the experts who vote on the NS know a thing or 2 about the game, they know the value of a genuine mid against a HB who sneaks fwd, i did have goddard second FWIW because he stood up when it counted, but you cant compere him to hayes, hayes did the heavy work, the tough stuff, he was brilliant, clear standout for mine.

 

[jeemak]

The best kick?

Please note 0:10.

[youtube]i_AsXxh1dOM[/youtube]

Did you know Harry O'Brien had a gun pulled on him?

That was a terrible example of Goddard's kicking ability.

 

[the distributer]

With all due respect, both you and the OP are biased morons who rate Collingwood players above everyone else.

Goddard still had a creditable performance in the GF replay, he was one of our few decent players that day that could hold his head up at the end of it. Calling him a pretender and saying he was fisted by Swan is ridiculous.

Swan fisted him dude, swan had to wash his fist afterwards, saying the game was over blah blah blah is a cop out, it was the start of the 3rd FFS, it was the first genuine tag goddard copped in both GFs and he was destroyed, swan used crushed glass as lube you could say, dont say im talking shit, name who tagged him if you like, shaw went head to head with him (on opposing lines) in GF1 and maxwell went head to head with him (on opposing lines) for the first half of GF2, swan took care of business after that.

our game plan makes it almost impossible to tag HBs because of our zone/press, learn a bit about the game before you post FFS.

Ive seen the mark he took time and time agian (great mark, not taking anything away from the bloke) but he had a totally clean run at the pack, no contact at all, a marked fwd would never get a run like that after a stop play, fact is he wasnt marked by a backman, he had no one goal side of him even though he ran 25 mtrs (laterally) to get to the contest, he wasnt marked, it was a defensive error.

 

[Plugger35]

Swan fisted him dude, swan had to wash his fist afterwards, saying the game was over blah blah blah is a cop out, it was the start of the 3rd, it was the first genuine tag goddard copped in both GFs and he was destroyed, dont say im talking shit, name who tagged him if you like, shaw went head to head with him (on opposing lines) in GF1 and maxwell went head to head with him (on opposing lines) for the first half of GF2, swan took care of business after that.

Our whole team was getting overrun in the 2nd half, Jolly was dominating the hitouts against an inexperienced ruckman in McEvoy and giving your mids first use of the ball. Made it difficult for Goddard to keep having an influence, he'd carried our side with Hayes in GF1 and the first half of the replay. Only so much he could do without getting much support.

Swan benefitted from his teammates all getting on top, much easier to play well when your team is on top and has a lot of the ball. Once the game was lost our players heads dropped and they were just going through the motions. You can't judge Goddard under those circumstances.

 

[db swannie]

Haven't bothered reading through the thread, but Goddard is a champ. Has a bad temper, but is one of the best in the AFL, easily.

 

[db swannie]

With all due respect, both you and the OP are biased morons who rate Collingwood players above everyone else.

Goddard still had a creditable performance in the GF replay, he was one of our few decent players that day that could hold his head up at the end of it. Calling him a pretender and saying he was fisted by Swan is ridiculous.

I rarely agree with anything you post, but on this point you are completely correct. Goddard was easily St Kilda's best player in the GF replay, and was BOG for mine in the drawn GF. He was awesome in both those games.

 

[the distributer]

Our whole team was getting overrun in the 2nd half, Jolly was dominating the hitouts against an inexperienced ruckman in McEvoy and giving your mids first use of the ball. Made it difficult for Goddard to keep having an influence, he'd carried our side with Hayes in GF1 and the first half of the replay. Only so much he could do without getting much support.

Swan benefitted from his teammates all getting on top, much easier to play well when your team is on top and has a lot of the ball. Once the game was lost our players heads dropped and they were just going through the motions. You can't judge Goddard under those circumstances.

We can argue about it all day, i'll leave you with this.

I hear you have an opening for a midfeilder, if goddard is the player you say he is he'll take care of it, he wont though, goddard will be the disapointment of the season, watch and learn son.

 

[Jonno_]

I think in the same way that Riewoldt's reputation as a footballer was diminished after his two grand finals, Goddard's was raised.

Good/ bad Grand Finals can do a lot to your reputation (ala Leon Davis) but I think calls that Goddard is easily the best player (or in the top 3) is slightly premature and perhaps based a lot on his last few games.

Absolutely in the elite bracket, but I wouldn't even have him as the most important/ best player at his club, let alone the league.

 

[Silvagnis]

He has the Kouta syndrome. Often his output is irrelevant b/c he has it all, great build, great versatility & a thumping kick. The 2 GF's (despite being drubbed in the replay) are like Kouta's 99' PF, they have transformed a very good player to be one of the best 5 players in the AFL in perceptions.

I think you've confused Koutoufides with Steele Sidebottom.

The only thing dumber than the thread was the use of Koutoufides as a comparison. Kouta circa 2000 would chew through Swan and then start on Pendlebury once he's done. The former Carlton Captain took Carey out of a game in 2000 before moving into the middle for a five goal and 38 possession game.

Goddard has never even won his clubs best and fairest, so is laughable that so many rate him as the best in the game.

They have another former number one pick who can play a bit.

Carazzo won the BnF in 2007.....hardly comparing apples with apples mate, Judd wasn't on the list then!

Fevola and Stevens were.

Yet Stevens broke his neck in round three.

He is only a flanker/winger, granted the best one in the game. His flexibility is the key because it means he can float to fill in any role at any time and he has smarts to know where to go. If he stayed at one position for a year, especially at HFF/HBF, he'd struggle to have a massive impact on the game every week, much like even the best at those positions do, sure he'd probably make AA but he wouldn't be amongst the elite of the elite.

Goddard would still dominate if he played wing/mid/HFF. Could easily kick 40 plus goals and win games off his own boot like Steve Johnson. Better in the air than Johnson. Yet the Saints have fewer stars and good kicks to give him as much ball as the Cats. The Saints need Goddard to do it at half back and half forward to stay in games.

 

[Plugger35]

We can argue about it all day, i'll leave you with this.

I hear you have an opening for a midfeilder, if goddard is the player you say he is he'll take care of it, he wont though, goddard will be the disapointment of the season, watch and learn son.

I've already learnt more about football than you, not that it would be hard. When Goddard has another great season and is All Australian I look forward to bumping this thread.

I also see that you and the OP are ignoring all the neutral supporters that are agreeing with me that Goddard isn't overrated and that he played well in both the GF and the GF replay.

 

[David the Cat]

We can argue about it all day, i'll leave you with this.

I hear you have an opening for a midfeilder, if goddard is the player you say he is he'll take care of it, he wont though, goddard will be the disapointment of the season, watch and learn son.

Quite like your posts as a rule distrib....but I think you're wide of the mark on this one mate. Goddard is as good a player going around as there is......

Actually when I saw the thread title I thought I had wandered into the Bay...