Is Brendon Goddard Overrated?

[WATTSJURRAHDUNN]

Not top five, he is top 1,2 or 3. One of ONLY two players(Paddy Ryder the other), who can play every position in the game. Defends brilliantly then counter attacks like Kennelly used to. Always kicks goals when played forward in first quarters. And kills it around the ground at every level. Judd is probably the silkiest player and Ablett one of the smartest, but Goddard has it all and was BOG in one GF and in the Top 5 in the next. So no, not even a bit overated, not when you're one of the best.

 

[PieNSauce]

Anybody who says Goddard doesn't have all the tools to be top 5 has no clue. Goddard has shown that on his day he's about as good as anybody going around. I think for now though the jury still has to be out because he hasn't sustained that quality for any great length of time and yes I do think a number of media reporters have wet themselves over his performances late last year. Possibly overrated but time will tell.

 

[Beth]

I would kill somebody else's grandmother to have him at Geelong.

 

[the distributer]

your a stupid fk.

list the first 6 you'll pick ahead of goddard.

Saying goddard is in the top 6 at the saints is a hell of a lot closer than saying he's top 5 in the comp you stupid ****, Hayes and joey are more important to the saints, riewoldt's a better player so shit, goddard's 4th already.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Change the name from Goddard to Dal Santo.

 

[Haydos]

Bigfooty needs the option to downvote terrible threads like reddit or digg has.

 

[ULTIMATE_WARRIOR]

Round 2: 29 disposals, 4 goals
Round 4: 21 disposals, 5 goals
Round 9: 30 disposals, 1 goal
Round 10: 29 disposals, 1 goal
Round 11: 38 disposals, no goals
Round 12: 33 disposals, no goals
Round 13: 27 disposals, no goals
Round 14: 31 disposals, 1 goal
Round 18 31 disposals, 1 goal
Round 19: 34 disposals, 1 goal
Round 20: 37 disposals, no goals
Round 21: 29 disposals, 2 goals
Round 22: 35 disposals, no goals

In the games I omitted his lowest disposal count was 20

Very interesting numbers there. I think it's quite obvious that most are getting stuck in the myth that Brendon Goddard only produced some great football in the finals and GF1. But reality is he was dominant throughout a lot of 2009 and all of 2010 and he certainly is one of the elite players of the game. Whether he is top 5, top 10 or whatever is always going to be subjective however.

Overrate him, underrate him, do what you like. I'm just glad he plays with St Kilda.

 

[the distributer]

I'm still not sure if your serious about Cloke, I'm sure your not...

How can you say Hodge is better, don't get me wrong, I love Hodge and think he is an out and out superstar yet he plays the same role as Goddard. Goddard also plays forward and his kicking is beyond elite, he can rebound as good as anyone and in top 5 midfielders.

Judd is no doubt a superstar of the game but right now, your saying you would pick him, I highly doubt it. Judd is a clanger machine, and yes he does dominate but, Goddard does the same as him in the midfield minus clangers and the break away speed Judd posses, Goddard is also the utility so he does this while focusing in 3 mainly 2 positions.

Selwood is obviously a champ and would be in any teams top 5. Yet, he plays for frees constantly and only plays midfield, he is tough as nails that's it. You could argue Goddard could do the same just with a little bit less effectiveness.

The main thing here is, he doesn't train for 1 position, he can't focus on just stoppages or shutting a playing down or kicking goals, he has to fit all that into his training. That's all I have to say but I don't think it'll stop the typical Collingwood supporters bagging a superstar because he has hurt them numerous times and they more than likely would love him in there team.

The guy averaged a goal a game in 2010, beyond elite? lol.

 

[Honeyboy Wilson]

He's massively overrated, simply because Victorians finally have a player who can "play every position on the ground!!11!!1!!" as if it's the newest thing in the world, whilst at the same time dismissing the work of Goodes, Pavlich and Cornes throughout the 2000s.

Having said that, he's an absolutely amazing player, elite, top shelf. But definitely overrated.

 

[fddf]

3rd best mid in the league behind Ablett and then Judd. Does that make him top 5 in the league? Probably does.

 

[the distributer]

3rd best mid in the league behind Ablett and then Judd. Does that make him top 5 in the league? Probably does.

Would you like to look up his clearance rates?, fact is he wouldnt rank in the top 7 clearance players at collingwood, people say he can play anywhere at an elite level lol, he cant play midfield at an elite level and that's a fact, he went head to head with swan in the second half of GF2 and racked up the grand tally of 7 disposals (mostly ineffective), swan had 19.

Goddards never proven he can play fwd at a consistant elite level, the guy's a HB which the saints work very hard at making him the loose man, other clubs wont allow that anymore (hense my prediction he wont finish top 20 in the brownlow), that's part of the reason his numbers have been shit this year, dont believe me?, keep watching son.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Surprised the thread title wasn't: The Brendon Goddard Myth

 

[Faz 2000]

If he's overrated, it's only by a handful of spots. He is a fantastic, consistent, versatile and damaging player. So-so start to the year, and is receiving closer attention than ever before, but that's because teams know Goddard will ruin their life if they do not lock him out.

I think people have a tendency to throw around lines like "so-and-so is easily top 10 in the league" without REALLY thinking what that means. Ie. Better than the best player from half the teams, for instance. Of course it's subjective, but labelling someone "top 10" in the league means they are the absolute elite of the elite.

If you think about who each team's fans would nominate to be in the discussion of a league top 10, you might get something like:

Adelaide - realistically, Adelaide do not have a player who would be considered top 10 in the league now. Certainly guys with that potential though.
Brisbane - previously Black and Brown, but again, nobody who could realistically rate a mention in the convo now.
Carlton - Judd, Murphy.
Collingwood - Pendlebury, Swan, Cloke
Essendon - Watson
Fremantle - Pavlich, Sandilands
Geelong - Selwood, Bartel
Gold Coast - Ablett
Hawthorn - Hodge, Franklin
Melbourne - as exciting as Sylvia or Frawley are, or as good as Green has been, they wouldn't have a legit top 10 candidate right now.
North Melbourne - Harvey
Port Adelaide - Boak is good, but not in that stratosphere yet.
Richmond - Lids, Riewoldt
St Kilda - Hayes, Goddard, Riewoldt
Sydney - Goodes
West Coast - Cox
Western Bulldogs - Cooney, Boyd, Lake?

I'm not saying who COULD be, or who IS, but these are likely the sorts of names that would come up. There's a solid ~25 names there. To be top 10 you're better than 15 of them. To be top 5 you're better than 20 of them.

Goddard definitely belongs in this conversation. It's entirely subjective where you rate him from there. But fans who claim their team have, say, 3 "top 10 in the league" players are on drugs. Being top 25 or top 50 is surely enough to be considered ELITE.

 

[CAS79]

This thread is full of it.

St Kilda's bottom group of players on any given match day is quite ordinary, for a team like this to have even threatened a premiership it's top core group of players have been carrying an extraordinary amount of workload.

Goddard top's this list of players more than any other, He does it all with ability and work rate.

In fact a large part of St Kilda's offensive game plan fails without him and he had an off game on Friday night last week by his standards and we saw the result.

He just about carry's the team on his shoulders.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Absolute star of the game, but Ross Lyon hasnt made his job any easier by recruiting poorly. With Lenny Hayes going down it will be even easier for opposition coaches to strategise about how to minimise Goddards influence. He cant do it all by himself. Not every week, anyway.

 

[magtrev]

He took a long time to win me over, and i don't often admire the skills of other teams players, but Goddard is an out and out gun.

 

[mysainters]

Surprised the thread title wasn't: The Brendon Goddard Myth

Haha, yeah.

 

[Hump 17]

Would you like to look up his clearance rates?, fact is he wouldnt rank in the top 7 clearance players at collingwood, people say he can play anywhere at an elite level lol, he cant play midfield at an elite level and that's a fact, he went head to head with swan in the second half of GF2 and racked up the grand tally of 7 disposals (mostly ineffective), swan had 19.

Goddards never proven he can play fwd at a consistant elite level, the guy's a HB which the saints work very hard at making him the loose man, other clubs wont allow that anymore (hense my prediction he wont finish top 20 in the brownlow), that's part of the reason his numbers have been shit this year, dont believe me?, keep watching son.

You seriously have no idea at all do you. You use ridiculous stats that mean absolutly nothing when judging a footballers worth. What stats can you use to judge Goddards worth when one minute hes standing in front of a full forward and cutting a lead then hes up at the otehr end contesting a deep kick into the forward line then hes kicking out then hes standing at full forward with the oppisition best player beside him. You really need to get a clue.

 

[the distributer]

You seriously have no idea at all do you. You use ridiculous stats that mean absolutly nothing when judging a footballers worth. What stats can you use to judge Goddards worth when one minute hes standing in front of a full forward and cutting a lead then hes up at the otehr end contesting a deep kick into the forward line then hes kicking out then hes standing at full forward with the oppisition best player beside him. You really need to get a clue.

Where did he come in the coaches award? how about the MVP?, Media awards? Brownlow? how about his clubs BaF?

Do the coaches/players/media/umpires/ and your own BaF panel need to get a clue too? or just me?

 

[mysainters]

Where did he come in the coaches award? how about the MVP?, Media awards? Brownlow? how about his clubs BaF?

Do the coaches/players/media/umpires/ and your own BaF panel need to get a clue too? or just me?

This is bigfooty though, people are allowed to rate or not rate whoever they like.

 

[Hump 17]

Where did he come in the coaches award? how about the MVP?, Media awards? Brownlow? how about his clubs BaF?

Do the coaches/players/media/umpires/ and your own BaF panel need to get a clue too? or just me?

Id say just you. You clearly pick up the paper the morning after a game and see whos had the most stats and say hes BOG. Goddard like Hodge and a few others influence on a game cannot and never will be judged on stats alone.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

I don't think he has carried his GF form into the start of this season.

With Hayes gone, will be interesting to see how he goes.

One of my favourite players in the comp.

 

[PieNSauce]

Id say just you. You clearly pick up the paper the morning after a game and see whos had the most stats and say hes BOG. Goddard like Hodge and a few others influence on a game cannot and never will be judged on stats alone.

WTF? So clearly everyone in the world including all the umpires, coaches, players and media experts are wrong but you're right!

 

[the distributer]

Id say just you. You clearly pick up the paper the morning after a game and see whos had the most stats and say hes BOG. Goddard like Hodge and a few others influence on a game cannot and never will be judged on stats alone.

but that's the thing, he has good stats, he averaged 28 disposals in 2010 (i think), no one's saying he isnt a very good player, he just isnt in the league of Ablett/Judd/Swan/Pendlebury/Buddy/Riewoldt/Hayes/Selwood, those guys play the tough positions week in week out, it doesnt matter if they aren't as versatile because they dont need to be, they're elite in the elite positions, goddard simply is not.

You put your best players where the ball is or fwd of centre, you dont play your best player across HB especially when you already have elite HBs in your team.

 

[fddf]

Would you like to look up his clearance rates?, fact is he wouldnt rank in the top 7 clearance players at collingwood, people say he can play anywhere at an elite level lol, he cant play midfield at an elite level and that's a fact, he went head to head with swan in the second half of GF2 and racked up the grand tally of 7 disposals (mostly ineffective), swan had 19.

Goddards never proven he can play fwd at a consistant elite level, the guy's a HB which the saints work very hard at making him the loose man, other clubs wont allow that anymore (hense my prediction he wont finish top 20 in the brownlow), that's part of the reason his numbers have been shit this year, dont believe me?, keep watching son.

Terrible post. He nearly beat your side on his own in GF1 yet you only mention GF2. Because he isn't ranked highly in clearances, it means he isn't in the best few mids in the league? He is the best marking mid in the game, as good as anyone in disposal and can play forward if his team needs a goal. He would be your best player, stop being an ignorant fool.