Is Buckley A Good Coach?

[jathanas]

The senior coach is an important club figure and a legitimate topic of discussion. It's fair to do so and everyone has a right to express their view.

The mod team observed that the thread was dominated by a few protagonists and their points were repeated i.e. 8 years of regression vs marked improvement in 17,18 etc Pretty much everyone with a strong opinion has already expressed it here.

What further degraded discussion was the simplistic "sack FIGJAM" or "he's a legend" type posts.

This thread will remain open. If your view has slightly shifted or you have new thoughts please share. In an effort to encourage quality discussion repetitive statements and circular arguments will from now on be deleted as will silly posts suggesting that we sack a coach on match-day.

FYI Gone Critical Anzacday Maggie5

 

[Black_White]

I think that’s wrong.

No, it’s not.
You can do your own research, but the media reacted exactly the same last time Buckley was up for renewal, and they got their way.
Worked out well for us didn’t it?

 

[No SPIN]

So Wayne Carey declares that Collingwood “must re-sign Buckley now”.
I wonder why?
Could it be that he loves the notion of a Collingwood stuck at the bottom of the ladder? Shedding members and sponsors?
The amount of opposition followers in the media that back Buckley to stay in the job must be the biggest red flag ever.
They love what he has done to our match day prospects. The days that they put a “loss” in the column when facing CFC is now a “win”.
And we let it go on.

So commentators who make a living from their professional analysis of the game, are choosing to lie about their true assessment of Bucks, just so Coll can continue to under perform - that is patently absurd.

 

[Doc1763]

You seem to know a lot about what Carey thinks.

Yeah, he's such a trustworthy conveyance. If he says the best thing is for Bucks to continue, the opposite is what he actually thinks.

 

[jmac70]

Yes, yes, Carey the man known for correct decisions.
Like shagging a team mates wife.
Carey’s word is God!

People tend to make a lot of decisions in life. Some correct, some incorrect.
You’re the only person I am aware of who claims to be correct 100% of the time.

I suspect though, you might be incorrect about that.

 

[jmac70]

Yeah, he's such a trustworthy conveyance. If he says the best thing is for Bucks to continue, the opposite is what he actually thinks.

According to you, who seems to know him really well.

 

[jmac70]

No, it’s not.
You can do your own research, but the media reacted exactly the same last time Buckley was up for renewal, and they got their way.
Worked out well for us didn’t it?

The media decided Bucks’ last extension? Fanciful stuff.

 

[Doc1763]

Which part?

All of HFF's post is correct. Your response to it is incorrect.

 

[Black_White]

So commentators who make a living from their professional analysis of the game, are choosing to lie about their true assessment of Bucks, just so Coll can continue to under perform - that is patently absurd.

Have you ever watched a game commentated by Carey?
Obviously not. Because you would understand that the professional commentator Carey has never been able to keep his Collingwood hatred out of his work.
His latest article is no different.
And I’m pretty surprised that you don’t understand that professional commentators are paid to be controversial. This article promotes clicks and eyes, just like his employer wants.

 

[jmac70]

All of HFF's post is correct. Your response to it is incorrect.

Allow me to clarify. I think other clubs would be interested in Buckley as senior coach.

 

[Doc1763]

Allow me to clarify. I think other clubs would be interested in Buckley as senior coach.

I don't

 

[Black_White]

The media decided Bucks’ last extension? Fanciful stuff.

No, Ed did that.
But the media attempted to sooth the supporter base.
In your case they succeeded, and continue to succeed. Pretty disappointing.

 

[Black_White]

Allow me to clarify. I think other clubs would be interested in Buckley as senior coach.

Haha!
Needed a good laugh. Cheers!
Maybe they would take him on as an assistant, to gather his CFC IP.
But his record would never put him on the senior coach radar.

 

[jmac70]

No, Ed did that.
But the media attempted to sooth the supporter base.
In your case they succeeded, and continue to succeed. Pretty disappointing.

You said the media got their way.

 

[jmac70]

Haha!
Needed a good laugh. Cheers!
Maybe they would take him on as an assistant, to gather his CFC IP.
But his record would never put him on the senior coach radar.

So why is Pyke on the radar?

 

[Robroy22]

GWS would love to have Buckley

 

[Doc1763]

GWS would love to have Buckley

Straight swap for Toby Greene

 

[Robroy22]

Straight swap for Toby Greene

Don't need him, we're swapping Rozee, Duursma and Butters from Port in exchange for letting them wear their prison bars once a year!!

 

[No SPIN]

Have you ever watched a game commentated by Carey?
Obviously not. Because you would understand that the professional commentator Carey has never been able to keep his Collingwood hatred out of his work.
His latest article is no different.
And I’m pretty surprised that you don’t understand that professional commentators are paid to be controversial. This article promotes clicks and eyes, just like his employer wants.

Your contention is commentators -,plural, are supporting Bucks to ensure Coll underperforms - that is absurd.

 

[Lip Gallagher]

You could dissect Alistair (flipping) Clarksons match day decisions from an arm chair after the fact.

 

[jackcass]

It's funny that every time he is up for contract all the "media experts" want him to be re-signed.
If you put him on the open market tomorrow, there wouldn't be a single club that would want him---that's how you know that they dont want him re-signed for all the right reasons--they know the longer he continues to stay here, the longer will continue to just tread water,

So concoct a crazy hypothetical and use that as the basis for forming an opinion.... okay....

 

[jackcass]

Don't need him, we're swapping Rozee, Duursma and Butters from Port in exchange for letting them wear their prison bars once a year!!

I heard a rumour we had to throw our 2022 4th round pick into the trade to sweeten the deal.

 

[THE SALT]

No, Ed did that.
But the media attempted to sooth the supporter base.
In your case they succeeded, and continue to succeed. Pretty disappointing.

After consulting playing group

 

[THE SALT]

But the dash has been run.
We aren’t in 2017 anymore.
We gave him now 4 seasons post that. That judgment has been cast and he was as heavily involved in getting the players he wanted ...even if he didn’t have a say on contract terms...the club made it happen for him.
At the time ok, he did well without landing the big one but the landscape has now changed
This is 10 years in ...we aren’t assessing it on 5 years.

If his name wasn’t Nathan Buckley he wouldn’t have lasted this long.
The club is bigger than any individual and the sad part is it’s not being applied to Nathan whatsoever. It’s as if he is above reproach and everyone is scared to act in a logical manner

Im not acting on emotion...it’s just logic
10 years he has had...surely that’s more than enough time to have multiple cracks at it?
We can’t afford to have him sit around for a further 2-3 years....it’s a disservice to this club and to the fan base.

You sure that Nathan Buckley wasnt the centrepiece of building a team around him that took us from the bottom to 2002 and 2003 GFs? Then the rebuild after which resulted in 2007 5pt loss to Cats (which would have been his 3rd GF)? Im pretty sure he then was part of the build towards 2010-11, in fact that was the succession plan. He then did another rebuild from 2013 to 2017 where he took a 14th team to GF. Should of been 2019 as well.

Pretty sure Pies had worst injuries both seasons?

Then thumped Doggies rnd 1 by 52pts flag faves, Covid hit draw with Tuggys, beat Cats (the GF contenders) then hubs which Grundy niggle hated, Howe knee, Sidey nudey run and baby, Treloar worst season 60% de, DeGoey, Stephenson out of sorts, finished 8th had to travel to WCE for epic Magpie win.

Oldest team avg age, no salary cap room for trades, had to secure Grundy, DeGoey, Moore, Mihocek, contracts, 9% salary reduction

We addressed all those issues by delisting/trading to get extra draft picks,
used first rounder wasted on Daics to turn a bag of chips into 6 x top 30 draft picks + 2 rookie draft (A+ draft)
Nick Daics next year who they reckon he as good as Whitfield, miles ahead of next best kid in draft.

Now ranked 12th oldest, have salary cap room for trade, 5 debutants by rnd 7

Are you really saying that Bucks wasnt a factor, wasnt involved in team build discussion, in coaching game strategy, in developing these blokes? That he never understood a word Mick said, had no idea of training drills, cant analyse a game, doesnt have a foggiest about how to take a team to the top?

Now that we are in rebuild you want to throw that on Bucks last year as time to go?

History says he is the most experienced bloke in the AFL as has been at it for 26yrs, and you think Graeme Wright, Korda know more about whats required?
Theyre gonna ask the playing group, theyre gonna say resoundingly "frrk yes we want Bucks."

So whose resume would need to be in front of you to replace a bloke on his 5th rebuild for a 6th GF attempt, and 1 kick away from 2more

???? Who the frrkk you getting?

 

[THE SALT]

Those who support other coaches from other teams go barrack for them.

Those who dont support our new lists, rookies, and 2021 rebuild, 5 new debutants its simple go barrack for a team thats winning,

Find the oldest list cos you like old lists

In fact find a struggling club with shit home facilities, terrible sponsorships, that are not a primetime club with 14 or 15 free to air games, without blockbusters, cos all that means frrk all, it was Eds time to go too right, needed a fresh change? Get fresher than North or Saints or Koche he has all the fresh new ideas?

No.....you dont want to support them do you?

Then pull ya head cos youre talking shit, you got no one...

 

[THE SALT]

This business about Buckley's resume.. seriously.. what does that have to do with the price of fish.. when you're looking at assistants at other clubs that you feel have the potential to win you premierships? What did Clarko's resume look like when he took over the gig at Hawthorn? They were smart enough to look at his work and life experience and know that he was probably worth more than just a punt over some of the more established coaches at the time..

Buckley's resume? Give me a break.. fair dinkum.

Clarkson amassed nine first-round picks in his first four years attending the draft, ultimately netting future stars in Jarryd Roughead, Lance Franklin, Jordan Lewis, Grant Birchall and Cyril Rioli.

The AFL’s priority pick system from which Hawthorn benefitted is now defunct, and a huge increase in the market value of first-round draft picks – largely a reaction to Hawthorn’s success – means Clarkson’s ploy to aggressively trade out accomplished players will never again prove so lucrative.

Added to Hodge, Mitchell (elite legends of the game) and Sewell​