Is Buckley A Good Coach?

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The senior coach is an important club figure and a legitimate topic of discussion. It's fair to do so and everyone has a right to express their view.

The mod team observed that the thread was dominated by a few protagonists and their points were repeated i.e. 8 years of regression vs marked improvement in 17,18 etc Pretty much everyone with a strong opinion has already expressed it here.

What further degraded discussion was the simplistic "sack FIGJAM" or "he's a legend" type posts.

This thread will remain open. If your view has slightly shifted or you have new thoughts please share. In an effort to encourage quality discussion repetitive statements and circular arguments will from now on be deleted as will silly posts suggesting that we sack a coach on match-day.

FYI Gone Critical Anzacday Maggie5
 
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jathanas said:
I agree, we're a long way off. The journey back to contention is going to be long so we celebrate every win; it doesn't mean we forget that there's heaps of improvement required.

We have some good kids and at least one more quality pick next year. The glass is 3/9 full. :) If we can't find and share any joy in it, what's the point?
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Agreed we should cherish the rare moments but that does not mean we should stop criticizing the club for the mess to begin with.

As a positive, if one reads it that way, we've still got 7 days to cherish this victory before going back into darkness again.

Buckley could be a good coach but he isn't IMV. Not for lack of football knowledge though.
 
Having watched the replay again.. yep.. the amount of times we stopped and propped and moved the pill sideways looking for suuuure option.. ridiculous. We should be hopping and bopping.. but nooo.. but nooo.. that's far too risky.. far too risky playing football that is.
 

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domus said:
Sigh why do you think the AFL demands the coaches do pressers?
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I understand it's to generate media attention. But that's an AFL drive, not the club pushing it. And they can still tell us nothing. Your claim that he "owes" us remains a crock. Just another misguided sense of entitlement claim.
 
Maggie5 said:
What do you want him to say? That the current board must go?
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Could just as easily have said the off-field stuff will take care of itself.
 
BringouttheGimp said:
Having watched the replay again.. yep.. the amount of times we stopped and propped and moved the pill sideways looking for suuuure option.. ridiculous. We should be hopping and bopping.. but nooo.. but nooo.. that's far too risky.. far too risky playing football that is.
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I was thinking of watching the game again this week, but I couldnt put myself through the pain of watching a buckley win.
 
jackcass said:
Could just as easily have said the off-field stuff will take care of itself.
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I suppose he might have felt that if he was going to attract a load of criticism for being too vanilla, he might as well attract a load of criticism for having an opinion. I must admit that I can empathise with that line of thinking. There is something liberating about saying what you think.
 
Mooresome said:
I watch presser until he said No nothing changed in game plan , guy is in denial and refuses to accept he was wrong.
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Or maybe we mug punters have NFI about game plans?
 
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jathanas said:
I think we're generally in furious agreement but my observation is that our style of play did change. Billy straightened us up and a couple of the kids have stepped up.

Did we all of a sudden completely stop being the conservative / defensive possession first team? No. The sideways kicks were still a predominant feature of our game but the change in personnel made an obvious difference in both execution and result.

We were faster to move the ball on (at times) and better with it.

I guess this goes to show that you can't judge the plan and the cattle in isolation of each other.
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I don't think it did. We just had a few individuals taking a riskier option and better execution. They're individual choices made in the heat of battle. Not a gameplan issue.
 
jackcass said:
I don't think it did. We just had a few individuals taking a riskier option and better execution. They're individual choices made in the heat of battle. Not a gameplan issue.
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I agree. My words were that the style of play changed because as you said players took risks and our switch of the play was faster.

The players make the plan and vice versa. Arguably, if we were more direct that was simply because of the cattle on the ground. It still looked like Collingwood but better/different to what we've seen in the last couple of months.
 
BringouttheGimp said:
Having watched the replay again.. yep.. the amount of times we stopped and propped and moved the pill sideways looking for suuuure option.. ridiculous. We should be hopping and bopping.. but nooo.. but nooo.. that's far too risky.. far too risky playing football that is.
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So you're saying we need to adopt the Crocodile Rock strategy?
 

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BringouttheGimp said:
Apparently visual exploration doesn't come naturally to a football player.. scanning the pitch and that re.. and making a decision.. it's all.. I'll do the thinking for ya re.. go sideways.
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When you're in 2 minds you're wrong twice as the saying goes...

Mind you I did notice a lot of looking toward the corridor - it just means for whatever reason we don't have run there, and that's pure and simple workrate. We really miss both Treloar and Phillips' run (even if their kicking wasn't always great).
 
The Sherriff said:
When you're in 2 minds you're wrong twice as the saying goes...

Mind you I did notice a lot of looking toward the corridor - it just means for whatever reason we don't have run there, and that's pure and simple workrate. We really miss both Treloar and Phillips' run (even if their kicking wasn't always great).
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Workrate over the course of what re.. 12 games under Buckley? But we had it going on when they were there re?
 
i agree with barrett's comments about buckley. I could see buckley taking over barrett
BringouttheGimp said:
Apparently visual exploration doesn't come naturally to a football player.. scanning the pitch and that re.. and making a decision.. it's all.. I'll do the thinking for ya re.. go sideways.
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Maybe if we paid them more, they would have better skills..... no wait, i've watched the soccer from england.... the players scan the pitch all the time and are continually going sideways... in fact, that's all they do

Maybe we should get some sunday amateurs into the team... they'll just boot it forward..
 
Markfs said:
i agree with barrett's comments about buckley. I could see buckley taking over barrett


Maybe if we paid them more, they would have better skills..... no wait, i've watched the soccer from england.... the players scan the pitch all the time and are continually going sideways... in fact, that's all they do

Maybe we should get some sunday amateurs into the team... they'll just boot it forward..
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Maybe we should just get someone who loves politics.. someome who doesn't liken it to watching episodes of Bold and the Beautiful..

Fancy spending so much time on folk talking shit..
 
BringouttheGimp said:
Thanks re..

As the saying goes.. 'If you had an hr to spend.. better to learn how to dance the Paso Doble.. rather than spend your time obsessing over politics.'
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As that famous philosopher said, "its better to do it then to waste your time posting about it"....so I suppose bucks has the last laugh
 
One thing i will give Nathan credit for----defensively he is preparing a lot of these younger players to understand what the game demands of you in terms of doing the things that players don't want to do---and that is the defensive elements of the game.
These are unconditional in terms of what is required---and you can see the mob up the road at Princes Park----they aren't prepared to pay the price in terms of that unconditional effort defensively hence why they are cannot defeat anyone above them.

It is is easy to just let players go out and "play" but teaching them defence and sinking that into their mindset that it becomes normal is the most challenging thing.

I do give him a hard time due to the length of tenure he has been here but this is very important to the development of young players and to any successful team.

Im just not sold that he is the man to continue to do it longer term.
 
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