Is it possible that Bin Laden

[The Phat Side]

is working for the US govt? This is a serious question on my part. I mean its well documented he used to so its not beyond the realm of all possibility.

I dont really know the answer myself, but I find it very odd that whenever the US needs a boost in public support for something they want to do, this guy comes out and releases a video where he says a lot of really dumb things that dont seem to help his,or the arab, cause. It happened at critical points during the build up to the afghanistan invasion (which I couldnt understand why he did at the time cos each time the timing seemed just perfect for the US) and its happened again right now. I guess, its become too coincidental for me to ignore.

I mean if there was ever a time where it would have been advantgeous to the 'arab cause' for OBL to lay low it would be now, surely, when the US is facing quite a bit of opposition and some public sympathy, esp in Europe, for what it wants to do in Iraq.

Either the guy really doesnt understand how public perception works, which i am not sure is the case, or he does but doesnt care, or there is more to it than meets they eye.

Also with his latest effort (and some of his previous ones) it seemed to be a message to the arab people. (in this case, to unite against the agression toward Iraq). Really, Id have thought that there would be better ways to communicate with people in the arab world and I am thinking his communication network is pretty good not to be relying on such obtrusive, over the top methods. Also, prior to the Bush admin taking office, I dont recall ever seeing a single OBL video encouraging the arab people to do anything, even though, the US would have us believe, OBL was very active in terrorist activities right through the 90s.

Just wondering if I am alone in being a little sceptical. It all seems odd.

 

[mantis]

My boss came up with a different thought this morning on Bin Laden.

He thinks that he was actually killed by the last attacks by the US, but they want to keep it quiet, otherwise they won't be able to use him & his terrorist associations with Saddam, as an excuse for attacking Iraq.

Must admit I hadn't thought of that, but the more I think about it, the more probable it seems. Strange how you hear nothing out of Bin laden until at a crucial time, the US come up with a mysterious tape of him.

 

[jim boy]

All great conspiracy theories, and while I distrust alot of things that the US does, I really don't believe this theory. While it's true that OBL's latest speech gives the US more credence, it also gives Al Qaeda a big boost through encouraging an attack. An attack on Iraq would only lead to more support for Al Qaeda, as it would increase resentment towards the US by arabs as well as getting ridding of someone who is an enemy to Al Qaeda as well as fostering up a latent Moslem radicalist movement within Iraq. Not to mention the fact if Saddam has large stockpiles of chemical weapons etc, then it's pretty likely that alot of them will fall into sympathisers hands in the turmoil following military action. OBL did a huge favour to Bush on September 11, now it is time for Bush to return that favour.

 

[ramjet]

not convenient for a tape to emerge. osama released a tape (verified by 4 different security agencies worldwide to be him) in november and the US barely mentioned it, just at a time when such a blatant suggestion of regrouping by osama and al qaeda (sp?) etc could have been used by Bush to garner support.

 

[larrikin]

Originally posted by The Phat Side
is working for the US govt? This is a serious question on my part. I mean its well documented he used to so its not beyond the realm of all possibility.

I dont really know the answer myself, but I find it very odd that whenever the US needs a boost in public support for something they want to do, this guy comes out and releases a video where he says a lot of really dumb things that dont seem to help his,or the arab, cause. It happened at critical points during the build up to the afghanistan invasion (which I couldnt understand why he did at the time cos each time the timing seemed just perfect for the US) and its happened again right now. I guess, its become too coincidental for me to ignore.

I mean if there was ever a time where it would have been advantgeous to the 'arab cause' for OBL to lay low it would be now, surely, when the US is facing quite a bit of opposition and some public sympathy, esp in Europe, for what it wants to do in Iraq.

Either the guy really doesnt understand how public perception works, which i am not sure is the case, or he does but doesnt care, or there is more to it than meets they eye.

Also with his latest effort (and some of his previous ones) it seemed to be a message to the arab people. (in this case, to unite against the agression toward Iraq). Really, Id have thought that there would be better ways to communicate with people in the arab world and I am thinking his communication network is pretty good not to be relying on such obtrusive, over the top methods. Also, prior to the Bush admin taking office, I dont recall ever seeing a single OBL video encouraging the arab people to do anything, even though, the US would have us believe, OBL was very active in terrorist activities right through the 90s.

Just wondering if I am alone in being a little sceptical. It all seems odd.

Nice theory - but who blew up the World Trade Centre?

 

[The Phat Side]

Originally posted by ramjet
not convenient for a tape to emerge. osama released a tape (verified by 4 different security agencies worldwide to be him) in november and the US barely mentioned it, just at a time when such a blatant suggestion of regrouping by osama and al qaeda (sp?) etc could have been used by Bush to garner support.

If thats the tape dated Nov 9 youre referring to that the US just kind of 'found' in that private house in Jalalabad, the US revelled in it in the media. Barely mentioned it?? Youre joking!!. It was front page bloody news. Everyone from Bush to Rumsfeld commented on it. Shi t even Guliani made a statement on it at the time.

It was perfect timing for them too cos it was after the invasion of afghanistan and there had been some bad publicity at the time due to some afghan civilians being inadvertantly killed. There was also some speculation at the time, cos OBL was not found or captured, that perhaps he was not repsonsible for the WTC or for running camps in afghanistan. Lo and behold next thing you know a tape gets found in some private residence of OBL boasting of the WTC attacks. Lucky break eh?

I cant recall one tape released by Bin Laden that the US 'barely mentioned'. Whatever the truth, it has always been 'convenient' for the US each time a tape has emerged and theyve made the most of it.

 

[ramjet]

i remember the one youre talking about phat side but cant recall when it was 'found.' about september i think(could be miles off though). there was a release on aljezeera (yet again, god knows how to spell that) network in november - no vision, just audio. and yes, it was ignored by the US. they certainly jumped up and down about the one found in the guys house - seemed too convenient for my liking. but november's release was mentioned once by Powell and i think once, in passing during an interview, by Bush. media 'experts' were surprised at the time it wasnt pounced on as previous tapes had been. still unsure why they didnt use it to its full extent - im a bit unsure about this new one suddenly appearing out of nowhere and seemingly supporting iraq in its message but i think its conspiracy-theory talk to suggest all tapes released are used to the benefit of the US. and no, i dont support bush's war stance one iota.

 

[ramjet]

my mistake about the one found in the house - just noticed you had the date, nov 9. perhaps the US were too interested in that one and the other didnt have as much 'guts' to it to aide the US' cause. i'll see if i can find a link/source somewhere.

 

[The Phat Side]

Re: Re: Is it possible that Bin Laden

Originally posted by larrikin
Nice theory - but who blew up the World Trade Centre?

Based on the evidence I dont really know for certain. Do you?

It could have been I dunno Iran for all I know based on the evidence I have seen. But if it was OBL, for arguements sake, how come the US have switched their attention to Iraq? Id have thought OBL would be a priority. I mean, apparently the guy has shown the will and means to attack on US soil, not something Hussein has demonstrated as far as I know.

Seems odd at the least.

 

[larrikin]

Re: Re: Re: Is it possible that Bin Laden

Originally posted by The Phat Side
Based on the evidence I dont really know for certain. Do you?

Well Al Quaida (or however the bloody thing is spelt) has been very closely linked. Unless Osama has changed teams I'd think he would still be a genuine target.

 

[The Phat Side]

Ahh the guy probably just gets bad PR advice on when to release his vids or is just plain nuts. Im just thinking out loud really in trying to explain the strangeness to myself. Unlikely scenario upon reflection.

 

[Hawkforce]

Originally posted by The Phat Side
is working for the US govt?

No.

Originally posted by The Phat Side
This is a serious question on my part.

Which is, frankly, rather disturbing.

Originally posted by The Phat Side
I mean its well documented he used to so its not beyond the realm of all possibility.

He never worked for the US. If anything the US worked for him.

Originally posted by The Phat Side
I dont really know the answer myself

Well you've come to the right place.

Originally posted by The Phat Side
but I find it very odd that whenever the US needs a boost in public support for something they want to do, this guy comes out and releases a video where he says a lot of really dumb things that dont seem to help his,or the arab, cause. It happened at critical points during the build up to the afghanistan invasion (which I couldnt understand why he did at the time cos each time the timing seemed just perfect for the US) and its happened again right now. I guess, its become too coincidental for me to ignore.

You seem to assume that Bin Laden plays a political game. I thought Sept 11th made it glaringly obvious that politics had gone out the window.

I sometimes feel sorry for OBL - the more he insists on the annihalation of the entire Western World, the more Western citizens believe he has an ulterior motive.

Maybe he just needs a hug?

Originally posted by The Phat Side
I mean if there was ever a time where it would have been advantgeous to the 'arab cause' for OBL to lay low it would be now, surely, when the US is facing quite a bit of opposition and some public sympathy, esp in Europe, for what it wants to do in Iraq.

OBL doesn't have an "arab cause" - his own country banished him remember?

This is exactly the time for his profile to be lifted.

Originally posted by The Phat Side
Either the guy really doesnt understand how public perception works, which i am not sure is the case, or he does but doesnt care,

Now you are getting warmer.

Originally posted by The Phat Side
or there is more to it than meets they eye.

No - he's a fairly straight forward guy I reckon.

Originally posted by The Phat Side
Also with his latest effort (and some of his previous ones) it seemed to be a message to the arab people. (in this case, to unite against the agression toward Iraq).

It's the same message he always has. You just don't seem to want to believeit.

Originally posted by The Phat Side
Really, Id have thought that there would be better ways to communicate with people in the arab world and I am thinking his communication network is pretty good not to be relying on such obtrusive, over the top methods.

THis paragraph is surreal... well more surreal than the rest of the post anyway.

Originally posted by The Phat Side
Also, prior to the Bush admin taking office, I dont recall ever seeing a single OBL video encouraging the arab people to do anything, even though, the US would have us believe, OBL was very active in terrorist activities right through the 90s.

Prior to the Bush admin taking office, plane hijackings were always a negotiation process. Things changed.

THere have always been Osama tapes. Until Sept 11 they were of little interest to the average Aussie.

Originally posted by The Phat Side
Just wondering if I am alone in being a little sceptical.

Nah... you've got plenty of mates on these boards.

Originally posted by The Phat Side
It all seems odd.

We agree on something at least.

 

[AlfAndrews]

Re: Re: Is it possible that Bin Laden

Originally posted by larrikin
Nice theory - but who blew up the World Trade Centre?

... er ... the hijackers.

 

[Pessimistic]

I think Bin Laden actually wants the end of the world - his comments didn't exactly help the peace promoters cause.

Interesting how he referred to saddam as 'socialist'. Maybe Frodo is right and he is one of us.

 

[Frodo]

Originally posted by mantis
My boss came up with a different thought this morning on Bin Laden.

He thinks that he was actually killed by the last attacks by the US, but they want to keep it quiet, otherwise they won't be able to use him & his terrorist associations with Saddam, as an excuse for attacking Iraq.

Must admit I hadn't thought of that, but the more I think about it, the more probable it seems. Strange how you hear nothing out of Bin laden until at a crucial time, the US come up with a mysterious tape of him.

I think he is dead. He was very ill in Afghanistan and then his hideouts were bombed.
If it was announced that he was dead I'm sure he would become a martyr and there would be riots and terrorist action in response. Keeping it quiet is the best way. And it works better now. The tape is deemed authentic which supports the charade. The tape links Al Quaeda with Iraq, and the tape encourages vigilance whilst reminding people of S11 and stiffens their resolve to conflict, particularly in USA.

In other words the USA are now using Bin Laden (deceased) for their own ends.

 

[iceman]

Originally posted by Frodo
In other words the USA are now using Bin Laden (deceased) for their own ends.

A work collegue of mine once said the same thing, that Bin Laden alive is more useful to the US than he is dead...

Just one thing, if Frodos comments above are true, then the US have overstepped all boundaries in their war on terror

 

[Pessimistic]

And if that is our standards of truth in the "Free world" what are we fighting for ?

Texas Tea, Black gold, the next election. Take your pick

 

[iceman]

Originally posted by Pessimistic
And if that is our standards of truth in the "Free world" what are we fighting for ?

Texas Tea, Black gold, the next election. Take your pick

Spot on

 

[Mr Q]

Re: Re: Is it possible that Bin Laden

Originally posted by larrikin
Nice theory - but who blew up the World Trade Centre?

Just out of interest, has Al Qaeda ever actually admitted responsibility?

FWIW I'd think it unlikely bin Laden works for the US, but I wouldn't put it past the US to spin anything he says or does in their preferred direction up to and including hiding his death.

 

[fabulousphil]

When the western infidels are put to to sword, and western culture is smited by the almighty hand of Allah and his mates, OBL better think about leaving the American hospital in Dubai alone as its the place where he was on dialysis.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Re: Re: Re: Is it possible that Bin Laden

And I've a theory too ... Osama Bin laden convinced Mrs Warne to dispense one of her banned drugs to her son in the lead-up to the World Cup to sabotage the Australian assault in South Africa. Give me a better way to REALLY get at those infidel Aussies ... And the timing ! Iit seems to be just too much of a coincidence.

Hey, it's no less plausible than some of the poop you guys are hypothesizing here. Which one of you is the REAL Chris Carter ?

Originally posted by Mr Q
Just out of interest, has Al Qaeda ever actually admitted responsibility?

I'm pretty sure there was video of Osama and a couple of his buddies sitting around chuckling and patting themselves on the back just a month or so after 9/11 ... You'd know it if you saw it again.

 

[Hawkforce]

Originally posted by Pessimistic
I think Bin Laden actually wants the end of the world - his comments didn't exactly help the peace promoters cause.

Now...

Why on earth would you expect anything Bin Laden says to "help the peace promoters cause"?

 

[Pessimistic]

Originally posted by Hawkforce
Now...

Why on earth would you expect anything Bin Laden says to "help the peace promoters cause"?

What Imean is he's happy to see many muslims die for his cause - It doesn't exactly make him a 'winner'

 

[rubberman]

It could be possible that Bin Laden works for the US. He has numerous links to US backed campaigns in Afghanistan with the Mujahadeen, with the muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo. Bill Clinton had numerous chances to capture him since he was linked with bombings of US embassies in Africa, but he always got away.

A more likely scenario is that the US found a huge video tape library of Osama in Pakistan some time last year, and they are releasing footage of what serves their purpose to keep the never ending war against the self created enemy going.