Is North Melbourne passing on Logan McDonald going to be the 2021 version of the Bulldogs passing on Buddy for Ryan Griffin

[ferball]

Do you north Supporters just transition between who Combden will be better then?

At the start of the year it was Mitch Lewis (clearly not true)
Now its Logan Mcdonald

Dreaming

He'll be better than everyone.

get with it.

 

[Rich01]

We don't need Logan McDonald. We need someone who can take contested marks on the forward line to support Larkey.

CCJ.

 

[Nutjob]

Do you north Supporters just transition between who Combden will be better then?

At the start of the year it was Mitch Lewis (clearly not true)
Now its Logan Mcdonald

Dreaming

Who said Comben was better than Lewis?


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[RUNVS]

Who said Comben was better than Lewis?


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Here.

If Comben ever gets a run at it he'll be significantly better than McDonald.

 

[ferball]

CCJ.

Maybe, tho someone mobile would be better. Charlie Curnow or some other Jarrad Waite-like player ideally.

Actually if Comben ever does play more senior footy he might do that job really well.

 

[ferball]

Here.

That's not Lewis. I don't mind Lewis actually.

McDonald is a bit too much like Larkey for mine. We don't need another Larkey.

 

[Blackhawk42]

Who said Comben was better than Lewis?


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A North fan made a post over the summer ranking the top 10 talls between North, Hawthorn and Adelaide and didn't include Lewis in that 10.

Comben made it though.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

North passed on a Key Forward for a small midfielder who may end up being good, but with the depth the have in that area was a strange selection especially when they lack for genuine A Grade potential forwards

Larkey has shown great signs, but is struggling with the lack of delivery, Zurhaar is a medium forward, Xerri is a straight ruck with next to no forward craft and Goldstein is 87

Edwards is getting monstered in the VFL so much that he is now in a training block, Combden is consistently injured and CCJ well..... what the hell happened there

Even if Macdonald was a flight risk, if he shows what he shows, you are getting two picks back from WCE/Freo should he want to be traded

 

[Tas]

North passed on a Key Forward for a small midfielder who may end up being good, but with the depth the have in that area was a strange selection especially when they lack for genuine A Grade potential forwards

I agree, given we shoved Brown out the door that year too. It is why I assumed we were going to draft McDonald or Thilthorpe, whichever Crows passed on. That draft had a lot of KPP in it, we didn't take any, not even as a rookie.

Phillips has been unlucky with covid in his draft year and has had two LTIs, unfortunately it has interrupted his development. Will that be fatal or not I am not sure. Swans were in a good position to take McDonald, they have Buddy, Reid and others, there is no pressure on McDonald, he can take the time he needs and I think that is important when you take KPP. Ie, we drafted McKay with a late first round pick, we had 3 KPDs in the side another younger guy developing, he could take the time he needed to develop. Melbourne took Watts at the start of a rebuild, he was thrust in the fire when he wasn't ready, they took Jackson later when they were at the end of the rebuild and he was under a lot less pressure.

If we took McDonald he would have been under a lot more pressure to develop than he is currently and that is often a negative thing for the player. We got Phillips, JHF, etc but they aren't under the same kind of pressure because there are a lot of other mids, if they need time in the VFL they can go there.

Larkey has shown great signs, but is struggling with the lack of delivery, Zurhaar is a medium forward, Xerri is a straight ruck with next to no forward craft and Goldstein is 87

Yeah, not getting the quantity or quality atm and with a lack of other options it is easier for a side with 3 key defenders to crowd his space. I think he is okay as a second forward but am not convinced he will be an elite main forward

Edwards is getting monstered in the VFL so much that he is now in a training block, Combden is consistently injured and CCJ well..... what the hell happened there

Yeah, what you see from Edwards in the VFL would have been the fate of McDonald if we took him, we have a problem in terms of list structure, it was a problem before anyone currently at the club was here and they inherited the problem, but in their time at the club they have been slow to address it.

Even if Macdonald was a flight risk, if he shows what he shows, you are getting two picks back from WCE/Freo should he want to be traded

I think JHF is as much a flight risk as McDonald, so I don't think it was a factor. From what I understand, both said they were happy to go wherever and both seemed to be the type that would do their best to honour that. It doesn't always work out and as you said, you generally get a decent compensation for an elite talent going home... depending on the club involved.

In my opinion, I don't think they expected us to finish as bad as we did the year after we got Phillips, if they had a crystal ball and knew we would get the spoon the following year and were equal last the year after perhaps they would have made different choices. You could tell from the batshit crazy make finals in two years thing they said about Noble didn't have a firm foothold in reality.

Our midfield for the most part is physically underdeveloped, it holds up better when Cunnington is there, the periods he has been out or getting match fitness early last year, the side wasn't travelling that well and there is nobody really who can step in for him. We don't really have that bid-bodied stable midfield that teams have when they have got out of the bottom four and into finals and in general outside of Goldy and Cunnington, the mature 26+ players aren't very good, don't provide much leadership, aren't providing the physical protection for younger players and a lot of the younger kids over recent times have left the ground horizontally and sets back their development.

I think Greenwood was a good inclusion but he isn't exactly young and there is not enough support around the ground and too many kids have flatlined or gone backwards in their development and it is something the coach/club has to address very quickly before we descend into a Carlton-like decline that was more or less a decade of bottom 4ish rebuilding.

 

[RUNVS]

Not that it matters that much but on his interview on SEN today Logan McDonald said that North never showed much interest in him as they didn't really speak to him in his draft year.

 

[Tas]

Not that it matters that much but on his interview on SEN today Logan McDonald said that North never showed much interest in him as they didn't really speak to him in his draft year.

We didn't show much interest in Phillips either, he thought he was ending up at the Gold Coast.

I think McDonald is a good kid and will be a good player. I would have been happy if we picked him up but there is no guarantee he wouldn't have ended up like Watts, Patton, McCartin, Boyd, etc. Not sure he will become someone like Buddy but who really knows. JUH was meant to be the best thing since sliced bread and he hasn't exactly set the world on fire at this point either. I think it is premature to judge players based on limited exposure.

 

[RedBloodBlackSwan]

I hope they both turn out to be great players.

I was very very happy North passed on McDonald but they clearly had a plan. It will be very difficult to judge if they made the right decision at the time, unless both players have uninterrupted careers with injuries etc. I hope Phillips can get a clear run and McDonald stays injury free, and that this is a genuinely fascinating thread in a few years time.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Who said Comben was better than Lewis?


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If there was a talls draft today, including these three clubs u24 players, this is how it would fall IMO:

Talls

Pick 1 - Thilthorpe
Pick 2 - Larkey
Pick 3 - McKay
Pick 4 - Butts
Pick 5 - Grainger-Barras
Pick 6 - Edwards
Pick 7 - Koschitzke
Pick 8 - Coleman-Jones
Pick 9 - Reeves
Pick 10 - Comben

 

[Gavin Excell]

I agree, given we shoved Brown out the door that year too. It is why I assumed we were going to draft McDonald or Thilthorpe, whichever Crows passed on. That draft had a lot of KPP in it, we didn't take any, not even as a rookie.

Phillips has been unlucky with covid in his draft year and has had two LTIs, unfortunately it has interrupted his development. Will that be fatal or not I am not sure. Swans were in a good position to take McDonald, they have Buddy, Reid and others, there is no pressure on McDonald, he can take the time he needs and I think that is important when you take KPP. Ie, we drafted McKay with a late first round pick, we had 3 KPDs in the side another younger guy developing, he could take the time he needed to develop. Melbourne took Watts at the start of a rebuild, he was thrust in the fire when he wasn't ready, they took Jackson later when they were at the end of the rebuild and he was under a lot less pressure.

If we took McDonald he would have been under a lot more pressure to develop than he is currently and that is often a negative thing for the player. We got Phillips, JHF, etc but they aren't under the same kind of pressure because there are a lot of other mids, if they need time in the VFL they can go there.



Yeah, not getting the quantity or quality atm and with a lack of other options it is easier for a side with 3 key defenders to crowd his space. I think he is okay as a second forward but am not convinced he will be an elite main forward



Yeah, what you see from Edwards in the VFL would have been the fate of McDonald if we took him, we have a problem in terms of list structure, it was a problem before anyone currently at the club was here and they inherited the problem, but in their time at the club they have been slow to address it.



I think JHF is as much a flight risk as McDonald, so I don't think it was a factor. From what I understand, both said they were happy to go wherever and both seemed to be the type that would do their best to honour that. It doesn't always work out and as you said, you generally get a decent compensation for an elite talent going home... depending on the club involved.

In my opinion, I don't think they expected us to finish as bad as we did the year after we got Phillips, if they had a crystal ball and knew we would get the spoon the following year and were equal last the year after perhaps they would have made different choices. You could tell from the batshit crazy make finals in two years thing they said about Noble didn't have a firm foothold in reality.

Our midfield for the most part is physically underdeveloped, it holds up better when Cunnington is there, the periods he has been out or getting match fitness early last year, the side wasn't travelling that well and there is nobody really who can step in for him. We don't really have that bid-bodied stable midfield that teams have when they have got out of the bottom four and into finals and in general outside of Goldy and Cunnington, the mature 26+ players aren't very good, don't provide much leadership, aren't providing the physical protection for younger players and a lot of the younger kids over recent times have left the ground horizontally and sets back their development.

I think Greenwood was a good inclusion but he isn't exactly young and there is not enough support around the ground and too many kids have flatlined or gone backwards in their development and it is something the coach/club has to address very quickly before we descend into a Carlton-like decline that was more or less a decade of bottom 4ish rebuilding.

Hadn't realised North has such a gulf with players in that 22-25 bracket

 

[Nutjob]

Here.

It doesn’t say he is better now. Making a prediction is completely different to reality.


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[Nutjob]

This is a list of players who would be ‘drafted first tomorrow.’ It has nothing to do with who the better player is right now. Admittedly Lewis should be on this list and no one has said Comben is a better player than Lewis.


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[Strapping Young Lad]

This is a list of players who would be ‘drafted first tomorrow.’ It has nothing to do with who the better player is right now. Admittedly Lewis should be on this list, but no one has said Comben is a better player than Lewis.


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Actually he did. He posted that he rated Comben, and did not rate Lewis.

 

[Nutjob]

Actually he did. He posted that he rated Comben, and did not rate Lewis.

How is that saying Comben is better than Lewis? Comben has played 1 game. Did anyone actually say Comben is better than Lewis?

I don’t particularly rate CCJ, but right now he is better than Comben. I think wires are getting crossed between potential and actual output. It would be good if some could differentiate.


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[Strapping Young Lad]

How is that saying Comben is better than Lewis? Comben has played 1 game. Did anyone actually say Comben is better than Lewis?

I don’t know what sort of mental gymnastics you have to do to pretend that saying you rate 1 player above another is different to “one is better”.

 

[ferball]

Not that it matters that much but on his interview on SEN today Logan McDonald said that North never showed much interest in him as they didn't really speak to him in his draft year.

We didn't really speak to Phillips either iirc.

 

[boncer34]

How is that saying Comben is better than Lewis? Comben has played 1 game. Did anyone actually say Comben is better than Lewis?

I don’t particularly rate CCJ, but right now he is better than Comben. I think wires are getting crossed between potential and actual output. It would be good if some could differentiate.


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This is amazing

 

[Bonz]

We didn't really speak to Phillips either iirc.

He thought he was going to Gold Coast.

 

[Nutjob]

I don’t know what sort of mental gymnastics you have to do to pretend that saying you rate 1 player above another is different to “one is better”.

Post a quote where either is stated champion…. Otherwise jog on.


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[ferball]

Hadn't realised North has such a gulf with players in that 22-25 bracket

WE don't really...

We have six players in the age demographic older than 24 and younger than 30. The most important age demographic for immediate competitiveness. One of them, Jared Polec, may be cooked injury wise. That is where our major gulf is.

Of 12 guys over the age of 24 one is a coach/soft cap dodge who retired before the MSD, one is recovering from cancer and may not play again, one has a foot injury and also may never play again (Polec). So we have nine guys over 24 available for selection

We have four 24 year olds, three who are 23, 6 x 22 year olds and 15 guys 21 or younger.

 

[Dangerousfield]

We didn't really speak to Phillips either iirc.

Well, that's a quality way to go about your drafting!

And who is this mythical superstar Comben that so many North supporters are hanging their future hopes on? Is that the same Comben that was such an outstanding U18 player that he lasted all the way to pick 31?