Is the MCG a big advantage on Grand Final Day for Victorians against Interstate Sides? /Are Interstaters advantaged during the home and away season?

[bh90210fan]

Do you have any links to these studies? I'd like to see them.

Anyway, if you want to make the argument that West Coast deserve an unfair advantage now because they were disadvantaged in the past, that's fine by me. It's not really Collingwood's fault, but anyway. I just think it's dodgy for people who are banging the drum about fixture unfairness to be suddenly fine with it when it's in their favour.

Yes, yes our club and fans deserve to be penalised because Covid-19 has sent Victorians into lockdown. We should all be missing out to make it fair for them

 

[Ron The Bear]

Yes Richmond and Collingwood are so hard done by with a few more “neutral” home games in exchange for an almost non existent travel burden. You will think that some perspective would have been made this year but apparently not.

Between 1990-94 West Coast won 61% of games outside WA. Between 2016-20 it's 52%. 2011-15 53%.

Richmond outside Victoria 2016-20 57%, 2011-15 58%
Collingwood outside Victoria 2016-20 59%, 2011-15 56%

Maybe recent Eagles' teams just aren't that good?

 

[bh90210fan]

Between 1990-94 West Coast won 61% of games outside WA. Between 2016-20 it's 52%. 2011-15 53%.

Richmond outside Victoria 2016-20 57%, 2011-15 58%
Collingwood outside Victoria 2016-20 59%, 2011-15 56%

Maybe recent Eagles' teams just aren't that good?

Yet we’re 9/2 in Melbourne over the last couple of years

Maybe Richmond has just benefited by playing so many neutral games in Melbourne against ordinary opposition?

you’ve struggled to beat anyone decent in a true away game for years

2017 - present
GWS 0/4
Adelaide 1/3
Bulldogs 0/2
West Coast 0/1
Geelong 0/1
Stkilda 1/2
Port 1/2

1 good win against Brisbane and beat up on a few bottom teams. Even marvel has been a struggle for you

 

[Ron The Bear]

Yet we’re 9/2 in Melbourne over the last couple of years

Maybe Richmond has just benefited by playing so many neutral games in Melbourne against ordinary opposition?

you’ve struggled to beat anyone decent in a true away game for years

2017 - present
GWS 0/4
Adelaide 1/3
Bulldogs 0/2
West Coast 0/1
Geelong 0/1
Stkilda 1/2

1 good win against Brisbane and beat up on a few bottom teams. Even marvel has been a struggle for you

The MCG is virtually a neutral ground and we've won the ones that counted.

2 flags > 1 flag

 

[bh90210fan]

The MCG is virtually a neutral ground and we've won the ones that counted.

2 flags > 1 flag

4 > 2

 

[Ron The Bear]

4 > 2

You know where this is going.

12 > 4

Welcome to our league, n00bs.

 

[bh90210fan]

You know where this is going.

12 > 4

Welcome to our league, n00bs.

Counting state league flags, I’m embarrassed for you

 

[Ron The Bear]

Counting state league flags, I’m embarrassed for you

You joined our state league. You're a VFL club, too.

 

[06Premiers]

NBA teams fly east coast to west coast all the time - they play 3 sometimes 4 games a week, over an 82 game season plus up to 28 playoffs games, and their players play for up to 20 years. But yeah, flying for a few hours an extra 5 times/year is the most massive disadvantage in the history of sports lol

I also love how the Wet Toast ignore the fact that the single biggest advantage in sports is money (look at rich nations versus poor nations in the Olympics). WC are loaded with cash because they have a near monopoly on fans in their home state. They compete against vics who have to share the market between 10, so WC get all the sponsorship benefits of a large comp without any of the downside of economic competition. If they got rid of all their travel (by there either being only a few Melb teams, or more WA teams), they'd also lose a truckload of their cash (or other clubs would make as much cash), and lose their enormous advantage in that regard.

I was really hoping the stars would align in this COVID timeline, and the shit Vic clubs would merge/fold (Norf, StK, Dogs, Melb).
Start the league again, and this endless conversation can finally end where neither side is willing to budge.

If you cannot sustain yourself without handouts from other clubs or by taking advantage of vulnerable people via pokies then you are not worthy of a spot in this supposed elite competition.

 

[Final Siren]

Yes, yes our club and fans deserve to be penalised because Covid-19 has sent Victorians into lockdown. We should all be missing out to make it fair for them

Well yes, right? Why shouldn't the AFL try to make the fixture as even as possible for all teams?

If you actually care about an equal competition, and not just whatever's good for West Coast, then clearly some teams shouldn't have many more home advantage games than others.

 

[bh90210fan]

Well yes, right? Why shouldn't the AFL try to make the fixture as even as possible for all teams?

If you actually care about an equal competition, and not just whatever's good for West Coast, then clearly some teams shouldn't have many more home advantage games than others.

This would make sense if they didn’t just tie the grand final to your home ground for the next five thousand years

 

[Ron The Bear]

This would make sense if they didn’t just tie the grand final to your home ground for the next five thousand years

It wasn't always our home ground and we can't train there. We moved there some 22 years before West Coast joined the comp and developed a gameplan to suit the ground, much as the Eagles shifted away from Subiaco which was barely wider than Geelong's ground and have a training ground the same dimensions as the MCG. Good for you.

 

[Kwality]

Do you have any links to these studies? I'd like to see them.

Anyway, if you want to make the argument that West Coast deserve an unfair advantage now because they were disadvantaged in the past, that's fine by me. It's not really Collingwood's fault, but anyway. I just think it's dodgy for people who are banging the drum about fixture unfairness to be suddenly fine with it when it's in their favour.

I've seen references to these studies over years but never been able to find them. I did hear Dennis Cometti refer to them & tend to accept they do exist.
I'm not sure anyone is seeking an unfair advantage, its more about a level playing field where travel is recognised in our national comp rather than the oft mentioned adherence to the 100 year old home & away from a long gone time.

 

[Ok Boomer]

Further, a MCG team's HGA is less against WCE than WCE gains in the reverse fixture.

On what basis? You play more games at the MCG per home and away season than we do at Optus.

 

[Ok Boomer]

Between 1990-94 West Coast won 61% of games outside WA. Between 2016-20 it's 52%. 2011-15 53%.

Richmond outside Victoria 2016-20 57%, 2011-15 58%
Collingwood outside Victoria 2016-20 59%, 2011-15 56%

Maybe recent Eagles' teams just aren't that good?

I note that you didn't address my point at all.

I am comfortable with the performance of my club from 1990 to now and I do not need to be selective with years used. You cannot say the same.

 

[Kwality]

Swear to God, 90% of West Coast fans seem convinced that when Richmond play Collingwood at the MCG, both sides get home ground advantage.

home ground advantage is a misnomer, no wonder you are so confused.

 

[Kwality]

The MCG is virtually a neutral ground and we've won the ones that counted.

2 flags > 1 flag

or are these flags a lesser achievement e.g the Lions 3 peat & the Hawks 3 peat.

Of course advantage only applies one way on GF day whereas when good enough you can earn a Prelim at home i,e you dont have to travel.

 

[Ron The Bear]

I note that you didn't address my point at all.

I am comfortable with the performance of my club from 1990 to now and I do not need to be selective with years used. You cannot say the same.

And I'm content with the status quo, as the vast majority of neutrals were when Richmond were shit. Keep howling. #VICBIAS

 

[Kwality]

Keep howling. #VICBIAS

It will continue as long as you insist on your entitlement.

 

[telsor]

On what basis? You play more games at the MCG per home and away season than we do at Optus.

On a per game basis certainly.

Crowds, familiarity with the opposition ground, game plan better designed to suit the other teams ground (You play multiple games at the G every year, including potentially the GF...If your game plan doesn't factor in the MCG size/conditions then your coaches are incompetent...the reverse wouldn't apply because we usually only get one game in Perth).

 

[telsor]

It will continue as long as you insist on your entitlement.

and we'll keep laughing so long as you deny yours.

 

[bh90210fan]

and we'll keep laughing so long as you deny yours.

We get a nice run this year, not sure anyone denies it

 

[telsor]

We get a nice run this year, not sure anyone denies it

Try every year.

 

[bh90210fan]

Try every year.

Yeah, nah. We don’t get gifted advantages like some others

 

[telsor]

Yeah, nah. We don’t get gifted advantages like some others

Yeah you do.

You just try to deny them in order to maintain your victim narrative.

WCE hasn't played finals more than every other club in the AFL era without a significant few benefits along the way.