Is the MCG a big advantage on Grand Final Day for Victorians against Interstate Sides? /Are Interstaters advantaged during the home and away season?

[Hoops]

What regular season games at the MCG?

It was a dumb question. You play worse when you play the best like what happens in a GF

 

[Carringbush2010]

All it takes is for a shed load of the wa, sa, nsw, qld folk to sign a petition saying they will boycott watching the gf if their team isnt playing

And actually do it - and all of a sudden the dynamic will change - advertisers, sponsors etc will go nuts and the optics of it will be unendurable.

That will achieve nothing for what you want.

The bulk of the market is in vic, let's say the other footy heartlands decided to boycott the AFL.

It'd just go back to the 12 team vfl comp it used to be, the one that was the most watched and attended before it was rebranded. The one the WAFC and SANFL wanted to be a part of.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

What regular season games at the MCG?

2014: Swans only lost to Hawthorn by 10 points at MCG during regular season, got thrashed in GF

2015: Eagles beat 5th placed Richmond by 20 points at MCG, embarrassed in GF by Hawks

2016: Swans beat 3rd placed Hawks at MCG, then lose GF to 7th placed Dogs

2018: Eagles beat Collingwood by 35 points at MCG during regular season, got jumped in GF and only won by five points

2019: GWS lose to Richmond at MCG by 27 points (also won prelim v Collingwood), get flogged in GF

2022: Swans beat reigning premiers at MCG twice, get annihilated in GF

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

It was a dumb question. You play worse when you play the best like what happens in a GF

What about the multiple times interstate GF teams have played well against a team during the regular season and then got thrashed by the same team in the GF?

 

[doppleganger]

What about the multiple times interstate GF teams have played well against a team during the regular season and then got thrashed by the same team in the GF?

Are you referring to your nonsense post above?

The GF is completely different atmosphere to a H&A game.

Players often fail to mentally prepare for the GF, and it is strong mature teams that often prevail.

2014, Hawks wanted revenge for the 12 loss
2015, Hawks going for 3 against an upstart Eagles team who had no real GF experience
2018, Eagles team knew the pain of 2015 werent rolling over again
2019, Tigers gave one up in 18 were out to prove a point
2022, Cats last hurrah for legends like Hawk, Selwood and Danger up against young Swans

The pattern is that a mature team who has been there recently and lost an opportunity in finals steels themselves and performs.

Look at the best for Geelong - Smith, Danger, Selwood, Duncan - all very experienced and have the 2020 GF loss and recent PF losses as motivation.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Are you referring to your nonsense post above?

The GF is completely different atmosphere to a H&A game.

Players often fail to mentally prepare for the GF, and it is strong mature teams that often prevail.

2014, Hawks wanted revenge for the 12 loss
2015, Hawks going for 3 against an upstart Eagles team who had no real GF experience
2018, Eagles team knew the pain of 2015 werent rolling over again
2019, Tigers gave one up in 18 were out to prove a point
2022, Cats last hurrah for legends like Hawk, Selwood and Danger up against young Swans

The pattern is that a mature team who has been there recently and lost an opportunity in finals steels themselves and performs.

Look at the best for Geelong - Smith, Danger, Selwood, Duncan - all very experienced and have the 2020 GF loss and recent PF losses as motivation.

You’ve literally just rolled out a bunch of brain dead cliches here. ‘Eagles knew the pain of 2015’ lmao. I guess Richmond didn’t know the pain of 2013 when they lost elimination finals in 2014 and 2015, but the pain suddenly rolled around in 2017.

I guess Collingwood didn’t really want revenge in 2003 for their 2002 loss so they just rolled over and died. Sad really.

Why did it take until 2022 for Geelong to find motivation for the losses from 2012-2021? You’d think after 2020 they’d be motivated to not be flogged twice in the 2021 finals - or that after two finals losses to Richmond in 2017 and 2019 they’d be motivated to get revenge in the 2020 GF. And Freo apparently didn’t want revenge against Hawthorn in the 2015 prelim for the 2013 GF.

How come Sydney couldn’t draw on the experience of 2012 and the pain of 2014 to beat one of the most inexperienced GF sides ever in 2016? Dogs 2016 GF experience or finals experience from 2019 and 2020 didn’t do them much good last year. Same with the Cats in 2008, and the Saints in 2010. If only they knew the pain of 2009

 

[doppleganger]

You’ve literally just rolled out a bunch of brain dead cliches here. ‘Eagles knew the pain of 2015’ lmao. I guess Richmond didn’t know the pain of 2013 when they lost elimination finals in 2014 and 2015, but the pain suddenly rolled around in 2017.

What does losing an EF have to do with a GF?

I guess Collingwood didn’t really want revenge in 2003 for their 2002 loss so they just rolled over and died. Sad really.

But what about the supposed MCG advantage?

Lions just a dominant team, Pies mentally fragile and collapsed without Rocca.

Why did it take until 2022 for Geelong to find motivation for the losses from 2012-2021?

They didnt make a GF until 2020.

You’d think after 2020 they’d be motivated to not be flogged twice in the 2021 finals - or that after two finals losses to Richmond in 2017 and 2019 they’d be motivated to get revenge in the 2020 GF. And Freo apparently didn’t want revenge against Hawthorn in the 2015 prelim for the 2013 GF.

If you missed the point, I am saying that the best GF experience is actual GF experience.

A random game in H&A in June doesnt prepare a team for a GF.

How come Sydney couldn’t draw on the experience of 2012 and the pain of 2014 to beat one of the most inexperienced GF sides ever in 2016?

The Swans werent embarassed.
Dogs just flying that finals series, helped by umpiring to.

Dogs 2016 GF experience or finals experience from 2019 and 2020 didn’t do them much good last year. Same with the Cats in 2008, and the Saints in 2010. If only they knew the pain of 2009

Cats won their 07 GF by a record margin, they werent ready for a team who challenged them.

Saints did use 09 pain in 2010, Pies flogged Saints by 10 goals in games outside the draw...we were much better team then. But 2md half of the draw they were inspired.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Funniest thing about these type of threads is that before the Vic team wins another flag all the other Vic supporters swear they would never want X Vic club to win it yet as soon as that X Vic club wins they come out of the woodwork all smug as though they somehow fooled us all.
You dont fool us, you're all the bloody same, nothing but a bunch of cheats that will stoop to just about any level to win footy.
Go you.

You say we joined your league and thats true, you tell us to piss off if we dont like it but fail to recognise that without us you only have 5 games per week, your TV money will dry up and you'd be back to semi-professional by decades end.
We all need each other for the game we love to survive but you simply cant help yourselves.
Non Vics can turn it on its head in 12 months, we dont need the league to hold an inquiry for us, we just go with the tuff love approach and refuse to go or watch on TV next season.
The AFL is no longer about the game it is purely a revenue raising machine for the Vic boys club, cut off the cash flow and they'll take notice.
Problem is people love their clubs and cant abandon them even though continuing to support them under the current situation is only contributing to their ongoing struggles.

Its up to you supporters of the 8 clubs to make change because they'll never change while they get away with it, you either stand up by stepping away or they'll continue to trade you false hope for your money.

 

[Jibroni]

Geelong are just a better team than Sydney right now. But do you really think Richmond are beating Adelaide in the 2017 GF if it weren't for the MCG?

Apart from Adelaide Oval sure they would have been good enough.

 

[Jibroni]

Reallocating North to Queensland and another VIC team to NSW would have naturally improved the "evenness" of the competition without increasing to 18 teams.

Sadly GWS and GC have to often been feeder clubs for the rest of the competition.

 

[1990crow]

Apart from Adelaide Oval sure they would have been good enough.

That's an odd way of putting if the game wasn't at the top sides home ground they may have won.

 

[Big Crow]

Are you referring to your nonsense post above?

The GF is completely different atmosphere to a H&A game.

Players often fail to mentally prepare for the GF, and it is strong mature teams that often prevail.

2014, Hawks wanted revenge for the 12 loss
2015, Hawks going for 3 against an upstart Eagles team who had no real GF experience
2018, Eagles team knew the pain of 2015 werent rolling over again
2019, Tigers gave one up in 18 were out to prove a point
2022, Cats last hurrah for legends like Hawk, Selwood and Danger up against young Swans

The pattern is that a mature team who has been there recently and lost an opportunity in finals steels themselves and performs.

Look at the best for Geelong - Smith, Danger, Selwood, Duncan - all very experienced and have the 2020 GF loss and recent PF losses as motivation.

These mentally strong and mature Grand Final teams sure seem to reside within a certain distance of Melbourne. Must just be a coincidence.

 

[Big Crow]

Apart from Adelaide Oval sure they would have been good enough.

You realise playing on Adelaide Oval would be the Crows equivalent of the Tigers getting to play the GF on the MCG, right?

 

[kranky al]

The GF is completely different atmosphere to a H&A game.

Players often fail to mentally prepare for the GF, and it is strong mature teams that often prevail.

2014, Hawks wanted revenge for the 12 loss
2015, Hawks going for 3 against an upstart Eagles team who had no real GF experience
2018, Eagles team knew the pain of 2015 werent rolling over again
2019, Tigers gave one up in 18 were out to prove a point
2022, Cats last hurrah for legends like Hawk, Selwood and Danger up against young Swans

The pattern is that a mature team who has been there recently and lost an opportunity in finals steels themselves and performs.

Look at the best for Geelong - Smith, Danger, Selwood, Duncan - all very experienced and have the 2020 GF loss and recent PF losses as motivation.

Get a mature team


And stick them on their home deck vs a younger team and make them play away….

 

[kranky al]

That will achieve nothing for what you want.

The bulk of the market is in vic, let's say the other footy heartlands decided to boycott the AFL.

It'd just go back to the 12 team vfl comp it used to be, the one that was the most watched and attended before it was rebranded. The one the WAFC and SANFL wanted to be a part of.

Dont think you read the post.

If every interstater or even a large percentage boycott the gf.

If we as a collective just refused to watch any gf our team wasnt a part of.

And the ratings then reflect this.


Channel 7 will lose their shit.

 

[kranky al]

I'll explain again, it's the market that dictates the landscape of the AFL. The bulk of the market is in vic.

This is not like the NFL where the clubs are owned by private enterprises, our 'national' sport clubs are member owned. Therefore the custodian of the league will use whatever means necessary to gain as many $ as possible.

You talk about england, well the EPL doesn't have a salary cap, and then you talk about the inequities of the AFL - they're not even the same universe.

Soccer is an international sport, not a domestic league like ours. Clutching at straws to draw comparisons.

Market. Dictates. This is not a conspiracy against other states for the sake of vicco bias

This has been explained ad nauseum - and the WAFC should've and would've been aware at the time - unless WA can create more market (read - breed like proverbial plague rabbits) then true equity would never come to pass. That's not even mentioning geography.

This is the most amazing pretzel like justification for cheating ive yet seen

Kudos i guess.

And australian soccer?

Why isnt that completely vic centric?

I mean theres a much larger population in victoria than sa and wa put together…


Its almost like australian soccer wants to be the dominant sport one day in australia isnt it?

 

[kranky al]

Geelong not an mcg team.

Im not talking about geelong bud.

Your team got a home state advantage yesty - but you also finished first.

 

[FourthTimeAround]

I'll explain again, it's the market that dictates the landscape of the AFL. The bulk of the market is in vic.

This is not like the NFL where the clubs are owned by private enterprises, our 'national' sport clubs are member owned. Therefore the custodian of the league will use whatever means necessary to gain as many $ as possible.

You talk about england, well the EPL doesn't have a salary cap, and then you talk about the inequities of the AFL - they're not even the same universe.

Soccer is an international sport, not a domestic league like ours. Clutching at straws to draw comparisons.

Market. Dictates. This is not a conspiracy against other states for the sake of vicco bias

This has been explained ad nauseum - and the WAFC should've and would've been aware at the time - unless WA can create more market (read - breed like proverbial plague rabbits) then true equity would never come to pass. That's not even mentioning geography.

I agree

I wish the company that I work for preferenced Adelaide employees over interstate employees.
And ensured that we got most of the plaudits.

 

[kranky al]

You're hilarious aren't you kid

As are mcg team fans justifying their cheating

 

[kranky al]

It’s definitely an advantage. I’ve also seen Victorian teams lose on GF day to non Victorian teams and Victorian teams win finals interstate. I do think it’s pretty unfair having it solely in Victoria, I mean it’s a national sport. At a minimum it should be played at another venue every other year, particularly if non Victorian teams are involved.

Alternating mcg and then interstate would be about fair imho

 

[Captain_Bender]

As are mcg team fans justifying their cheating

That durn VFL is why I'm not s winner

 

[doppleganger]

These mentally strong and mature Grand Final teams sure seem to reside within a certain distance of Melbourne. Must just be a coincidence.

Brisbane included in the distance?

Crows had no problems in the 90s with a strong team.

Perhaps you need to accept that Adelaide in 2017 just wasnt up to it.

 

[kranky al]

Brisbane included in the distance?

Crows had no problems in the 90s with a strong team.

Perhaps you need to accept that Adelaide in 2017 just wasnt up to it.

First things first : adelaide played two non mcg tenants in the nineties to win their flags.


Now having cleared that up:

What we have here us two possibilities


Either every sport in the world allows for home ground advantage in the ultimate game of the year by a multitude of methods

1) highest ranked team gets the home final
2) highest ranked team gets the decider
3) the game is played at a neutral venue
4) the game is rotated to minimise the chances of a team having hga


All these sports, all over the world came to the identical conclusion - that hga is a real thing and as we strive to be as fair as possible in sports - they have come up with all these clever ways to mitigate it.


Orrrr

They are completely wrong and a bunch of guys (who just happen to support clubs that benefit from this arrangement- wow what are the odds!!) are right and theres negligible benefit to be had…..

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury .. please stop laughing at the defence counsel……. No seriously this is an….. oh ffs this is a court of law show some decorum please, i know hes clearly not self aware….



Faaaaarq id love to take this to a proper debate

 

[doppleganger]

First things first : adelaide played two non mcg tenants in the nineties to win their flags.


Now having cleared that up:

North were an MCG tenant in the 90s.

So your entire position is based on bullshit

Faaaaarq id love to take this to a proper debate

LoL.

time and time agin, you are proven to talk shit. And have your "facts" shown up as being flat out wrong.

Would be embarrassing as first rebuttal would put you back in your box.

 

[Big Crow]

Brisbane included in the distance?

Crows had no problems in the 90s with a strong team.

Perhaps you need to accept that Adelaide in 2017 just wasnt up to it.

I guess Sydney just weren’t up to it in 2016 either, despite finishing higher than the 7th placed Bulldogs. West Coast, Freo, and Sydney again vs the Hawks just not up to it.

West Coast nearly weren’t up to it in 2018, despite being a 5 goal better side than Collingwood. 2019 GWS and 2022 Sydney weren’t up to getting within 13 goals of their opposition despite showing they were much better sides than that for the rest of the year.

Why do people pretend that home advantage disappears on one day of the year, but exists on the other 364 days?

No other league in world sport worth its salt does this.