Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack.

[Ghost Patrol]

They have not provided any evidence that that bombing was linked to Israel. CCN also has not been able to verify it.

This is exactly what happened with the hospital bombing, everyone jumped the gun and it was shown highly likely it was not Israel at all.

Wait until evidence is released before you say it as fact.

IDF has a long history of fabricating evidence. Why would you believe them when they have dropped about 6000 bombs in that area over the past 2 weeks?

 

[ZEV]

They're so childish. So Western media and officials can be full on Pro-Israeli with heavy Anti-Palestinian sentiments but dare a major international news agency report on what's actually happening to Palestinians and it's "tone it down"?

I understand that you are very mad and angry but you left out the part of "anti-Israel incitement".

Don't let your hatred skew the view that Blinken was encouraging deescalation of potential violence.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

IDF has a long history of fabricating evidence. Why would you believe them when they have dropped about 6000 bombs in that area over the past 2 weeks?

not believing anyone until evidence is ascertained. That includes Israel.

Exactly what happened at the Hospital. Everyone assumed Israel straight away and ever since its almost 100% likely it was a failed militant rocket strike.

fighting mis information with mis information gets noone anywhere.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

not believing anyone until evidence is ascertained. That includes Israel.

Exactly what happened at the Hospital. Everyone assumed Israel straight away and ever since its almost 100% likely it was a failed militant rocket strike.

fighting mis information with mis information gets noone anywhere.

The hospital blast has not been proven to be anyone yet.
The New York Times are saying it wasn't that rocket.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/10/25/world/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news/here-is-a-close-look-at-some-key-evidence-in-the-gaza-hospital-blast?smid=url-share

 

[JayJ20]

I understand that you are very mad and angry but you left out the part of "anti-Israel incitement".

Don't let your hatred skew the view that Blinken was encouraging deescalation of potential violence.

I have been literally following what Al-Jazeera post and they're just telling it as it is. Reporting on a genocide that's been happening for 75 years. Of course the country that literally funds the genocide is going to view that as Anti-Israeli incitement which is a load of BS.

De-escalating any violence for who exactly? Because Palestinians are being killed in the masses with full US support.

If they really care about de-escalating violence, why are the US using their veto powers to veto any and all UN resolutions? Why are they blocking any calls for a ceasefire? Why did they veto a humanitarian pause to allow humanitarian aid?

Please get real. They're just mad public opinion has never been more against them on this issue despite all their desperate attempts at fear mongering.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

The hospital blast has not been proven to be anyone yet.
The New York Times are saying it wasn't that rocket.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/10/25/world/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news/here-is-a-close-look-at-some-key-evidence-in-the-gaza-hospital-blast?smid=url-share

hence why i said "likely". Please read carefully.

There was a UN war crime investigator who says it was highly unlikely it was an Israeli air strike. I reckon he has more runs on the board than the NY times.

Further to this both French and US intelligence also backs that its likely a Palestinian militant rocket and not Israel.

Aftermath images from the Gaza hospital explosion are 'inconsistent' with an Israeli airstrike, former UN war-crimes investigator says

Marc Garlasco, the Pentagon's former chief of high-value targeting, said the blast site lacked a massive crater that an Israeli strike would cause.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[ZEV]

I have been literally following what Al-Jazeera post and they're just telling it as it is. Reporting on a genocide that's been happening for 75 years. Of course the country that literally funds the genocide is going to view that as Anti-Israeli incitement which is a load of BS.

De-escalating any violence for who exactly? Because Palestinians are being killed in the masses with full US support.

If they really care about de-escalating violence, why are the US using their veto powers to veto any and all UN resolutions? Why are they blocking any calls for a ceasefire? Why did they veto a humanitarian pause to allow humanitarian aid?

Please get real. They're just mad public opinion has never been more against them on this issue despite all their desperate attempts at fear mongering.

In other posts you have denounced all western media but have described Al-Jazeera as a "major international news agency".

Funded by the government of Qatar, who shield terrorist leaders yet you accept their position as "telling is as it is"

It might come as a shock but Jews accept the fact that they are hated. Public opinion is just that, opinion. For Israel it is a case of survival.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

I remember the rhetoric from world leaders leading up to Palestinian elections about 15 years ago and how it heralded a new democratic future and that we'd listen to the will of the people.

Hamas was elected and they all backpedalled at a million miles an hour saying they refused to deal with them.

What they should have said was, we will accept the will of the people as long as they elect who we want.

I have no knowledge of the history and have never sought out to increase it, it frankly doesn't interest me enough. What I do know is that it has been a shit show for my whole life (55 years)

What I do know is that as I've posted, the world has been far too lenient with Israel for too long.

Palestine held elections and the world refused to deal with the legally elected government.

It must be a horrible ****ing place to live.

 

[ferball]

They have not provided any evidence that that bombing was linked to Israel. CCN also has not been able to verify it.

This is exactly what happened with the hospital bombing, everyone jumped the gun and it was shown highly likely it was not Israel at all.

Wait until evidence is released before you say it as fact.

Yeah. I forgot Bhutan regularly bombs the **** out of the Gaza strip. Must have been them.

 

[faible]

It might come as a shock but Jews accept the fact that they are hated. Public opinion is just that, opinion. For Israel it is a case of survival.

Interesting take.

Who hates the Jews in this context? As for Israel's survival; you can't live off the horrors of the holocaust indefinitely when as a country you're busy obliterating the Palestinian people.

Note since I suspect you'll make this claim; I do not support the action of Hamas. Palestinian people and Hamas are not one and the same.

 

[JayJ20]

not believing anyone until evidence is ascertained. That includes Israel.

Exactly what happened at the Hospital. Everyone assumed Israel straight away and ever since its almost 100% likely it was a failed militant rocket strike.

fighting mis information with mis information gets noone anywhere.

Have you only started paying attention to this issue since 7 October 2023?

The Israeli government have a LONG history of bombing hospitals, schools and residential buildings, then lying about it. In fact, Israeli Major General Yitzhak Brik complained that the military suffered from a culture of lying, whitewashing and concealing information.

They bombed Al-Wafa hospital in 2014, the only rehabilitation centre in Gaza. They tweeted a fake photo of a rocket being fired to try and absolve themselves, but according to Amnesty international, the image tweeted by the Israeli government did not match satellite imaging and appears to depict a different location.

They lied about using white phosphorus in 2008. They lied about using cluster bombs into Lebanon in 2006 when confronted despite 4 million being found afterwards.

They lied about killing journalist Shireen Abu Akleh and immediately blamed armed Palestinians, before admitting to it 4 months later when evidence was too difficult to ignore.

They've already bombed other hospitals since 7 October and so far killed over 6,000 people including over 2,400 children.

They are persistent liars. Al-Ahli hospital is not an isolated incident. It is absolutely valid to dismiss all the BS they come up with because they are pathological liars and have been caught in their lies so many times. The first thing they always do is deflect to shift the blame. Then they cry and play the victim.

When the UN investigates their war crimes, they throw a tantrum and run to the US and cry that they are unfairly targeted. It's like clockwork. They then refuse visas to UN representatives and disengage in any investigation/criticism and get US to veto everything and anything. Every single time without fail. It's beyond a joke now.

They need to be punished for everything they have done.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Have you only started paying attention to this issue since 7 October 2023?

The Israeli government have a LONG history of bombing hospitals, schools and residential buildings, then lying about it. In fact, Israeli Major General Yitzhak Brik complained that the military suffered from a culture of lying, whitewashing and concealing information.

They bombed Al-Wafa hospital in 2014, the only rehabilitation centre in Gaza. They tweeted a fake photo of a rocket being fired to try and absolve themselves, but according to Amnesty international, the image tweeted by the Israeli government did not match satellite imaging and appears to depict a different location.

They lied about using white phosphorus in 2008. They lied about using cluster bombs into Lebanon in 2006 when confronted despite 4 million being found afterwards.

They lied about killing journalist Shireen Abu Akleh and immediately blamed armed Palestinians, before admitting to it 4 months later when evidence was too difficult to ignore.

They've already bombed other hospitals since 7 October and so far killed over 6,000 people including over 2,400 children.

They are persistent liars. Al-Ahli hospital is not an isolated incident. It is absolutely valid to dismiss all the BS they come up with because they are pathological liars and have been caught in their lies so many times. The first thing they always do is deflect to shift the blame. Then they cry and play the victim.

When the UN investigates their war crimes, they throw a tantrum and run to the US and cry that they are unfairly targeted. It's like clockwork. They then refuse visas to UN representatives and disengage in any investigation/criticism and get US to veto everything and anything. Every single time without fail. It's beyond a joke now.

They need to be punished for everything they have done.

Quality rant but i have no idea wtf you are talking about.

i literally said i dont believe anything that israel says, then you give me an essay on why i shouldn't believe Israel.

 

[JayJ20]

In other posts you have denounced all western media but have described Al-Jazeera as a "major international news agency".

Funded by the government of Qatar, who shield terrorist leaders yet you accept their position as "telling is as it is"

It might come as a shock but Jews accept the fact that they are hated. Public opinion is just that, opinion. For Israel it is a case of survival.

Who says anything about Jews? I'm talking about the Israeli government, mainly Netanyahu's government who already have low public opinion from the Israeli public due to the Judicial reform controversy. It is already reported that 80% of Israelis blame the government for the October 7 attack presumably due to the fact that the Israeli's security and surveillance capabilities should have been more than capable of preventing the attack instead of going undetected for 6 hours.

Also, yes they have been telling it as it is. What they are reporting is consistent with what we're seeing with real-time reports on social media like TikTok and twitter.

 

[JayJ20]

Quality rant but i have no idea wtf you are talking about.

i literally said i dont believe anything that israel says, then you give me an essay on why i shouldn't believe Israel.

You said it was "almost 100% likely it was a failed militant rocket strike", which is exactly what the Israelis are trying to claim. Al-Jazeera, who's livestream they used to make that claim, debunked that.

It's in fact more likely that the Israeli government did it given their track record.

 

[Chief]

 

[Chief]

it was shown highly likely it was not Israel at all.

I don't recall this happening.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

I don't think the IDF really care about what people think about them targeting journalists, civilians and UN workers to kill.
They have America's backing and their own massive military so they feel untouchable.
It will backfire on them in the long term though imo.

 

[Saint]

 

[QuietB]

In other posts you have denounced all western media but have described Al-Jazeera as a "major international news agency".

Funded by the government of Qatar, who shield terrorist leaders yet you accept their position as "telling is as it is"

It might come as a shock but Jews accept the fact that they are hated. Public opinion is just that, opinion. For Israel it is a case of survival.

Israel might not survive going down this path.

The USA might let Israel hide behind their UN veto for what they are doing now. But the USA will NOT be putting boots on the ground.

If Israel continue down this path which includes provoking multiple Middle East nations and they open themselves up to a multi front conflict then the balance of power will turn massively against Israel.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

The Greens senator Jordon Steele-John said the Australian government claimed that the people of Gaza and Palestine should not be punished for crimes of Hamas “and yet that is exactly what the siege is doing”. He told the Senate committee hearing:

'It is a complete siege, a textbook definition of collective punishment ... Why won’t your government condemn this crime against humanity?'

Wong said:

'They are your words - I will use my words and I have responded.'
Guardian

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Israel might not survive going down this path.

The USA might let Israel hide behind their UN veto for what they are doing now. But the USA will NOT be putting boots on the ground.

If Israel continue down this path which includes provoking multiple Middle East nations and they open themselves up to a multi front conflict then the balance of power will turn massively against Israel.

Israel have the superior military , backed by America ,so they can basically do whatever they want

 

[QuietB]

not believing anyone until evidence is ascertained. That includes Israel.

Exactly what happened at the Hospital. Everyone assumed Israel straight away and ever since its almost 100% likely it was a failed militant rocket strike.

fighting mis information with mis information gets noone anywhere.

Well let's hope they stop the war and start an investigation for you

 

[Saint]

Israel might not survive going down this path.

The USA might let Israel hide behind their UN veto for what they are doing now. But the USA will NOT be putting boots on the ground.

If Israel continue down this path which includes provoking multiple Middle East nations and they open themselves up to a multi front conflict then the balance of power will turn massively against Israel.

If Israel unite Iran, Saudi, Egypt and Iraq against Israel, they'll be aligned, by extension against the US again, and we're back to Sept 10th.

Israel and the US have spent decades keeping the Islamic/Arab world fighting amongst itself (they don't need much encouragement) and risk completely undoing it for no purpose other than bloody vengeance. Then in 3 years after another terror attack, they'll plead the victim again.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

You said it was "almost 100% likely it was a failed militant rocket strike", which is exactly what the Israelis are trying to claim. Al-Jazeera, who's livestream they used to make that claim, debunked that.

It's in fact more likely that the Israeli government did it given their track record.

i said that based on a UN war crimes investigator who said it was unlikely to be an Israel air strike, I didn't say it based of what the Israeli government said.

Read dude.

 

[JayJ20]

I don't think the IDF really care about what people think about them targeting journalists, civilians and UN workers to kill.
They have America's backing and their own massive military so they feel untouchable.
It will backfire on them in the long term though imo.

The Israeli government are literally making a mockery of the UN. Spoiled brats that throw tantrums when they don't have their way.