Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack.

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One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
There needs to be peace talks asap.

That only goes so far and for so long with Hamas imo and Iran is meddling.

Videos of hostages and a near naked Israeli girl in the back of a ute, broken legs and arms contorted like they were on back to front with Hamas boots on her back celebrating, has nearly done me in. No sympathy atm.
 

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That only goes so far and for so long with Hamas imo and Iran is meddling.

Videos of hostages and a near naked Israeli girl in the back of a ute, broken legs and arms contorted like they were on back to front with Hamas boots on her back celebrating, has nearly done me in. No sympathy atm.
Yes that's disgusting, that's not a freedom fighter.
Netanyahu has killed 198 civilians and soldiers with his bombs so far, that's just as bad in my book.
 
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

The world really is chaotic atm. Sadly, Israel and Palestine are not exactly breaking new ground here.

I find it stupid to support either Israel or Palestine. Both don't help their cases with the violence.
I dunno. I'm pretty comfortable supporting Fatah and the Palestinians and not being too concerned with Netanyahu and his supporters.

And I'm also pretty comfortable wishing that Hamas was blown off the face of the Earth.
 
We have enough Israeli captives to free detainees, Hamas official says
Speaking to Al Jazeera, Hamas deputy chief Saleh al-Arouri, said that “we managed to kill and capture many Israeli soldiers” and “the fighting is still on.”

As to our prisoners I say, your freedom is looming large. What we have in hand will see you set free. The longer fighting continues, the higher the number of prisoners will become.
 
Palestine president Mahmoud Abbas received a phone call from his French counterpart Emmanuel Macron in which Abbas “emphasized that the current escalation in the region is a result of the political impasse,” Palestinian news agency WAFA reported on Saturday.

Abbas also pointed to the “denial of the Palestinian people’s legitimate right to self-determination and the establishment of their independent state with East Jerusalem as its capital, the ongoing Israeli aggression against the Palestinian people, their land, and their sacred sites, and the continued terrorism of Israeli settlers,” WAFA said.

“The President stated that ending the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land with East Jerusalem as its capital, recognizing the Palestinian people’s right to independence and sovereignty, and granting full UN membership would ensure security, stability, and peace in the region,” WAFA continued.
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No doubt Hamas/Iran priced this in to their strategy fully expecting the response Israel will inflict. It’s going to get very bad.
Hamas will be doing its best to make sure Palestnina women and children are killed by firing from among them, hiding them.in military facilities. all that matters to the terrorist Palestinian leadership and their Iranian/Xi backers is keeping their own people subservient and getting donations for their own very wealthy lifestyles away from danger.

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That only goes so far and for so long with Hamas imo and Iran is meddling.

Videos of hostages and a near naked Israeli girl in the back of a ute, broken legs and arms contorted like they were on back to front with Hamas boots on her back celebrating, has nearly done me in. No sympathy atm.

Yes absolutely. No reasonable person can defend Hamas. They are not freedom fighters they are terrorists that are desperate to maintain their stranglehold over Gaza with any means necessary. All the while their leadership lives in Qatar in luxury.

Abbas and the Palestinian authority are the real leaders of all Palestinian people.
 
That only goes so far and for so long with Hamas imo and Iran is meddling.

Videos of hostages and a near naked Israeli girl in the back of a ute, broken legs and arms contorted like they were on back to front with Hamas boots on her back celebrating, has nearly done me in. No sympathy atm.

Turns out that poor girl was a German woman at the music festival, shows that no one is off limits. Some of the images we are seeing are just brutal.
 
Yes that's disgusting, that's not a freedom fighter.
Netanyahu has killed 198 civilians and soldiers with his bombs so far, that's just as bad in my book.
Kind of like America post 9/11, if you can't kill the terrorists, just kill tens of thousands of civilians instead. Its okay, as long as its the "good guys" doing the killing.

Hamas are f wits. All they have done is give Israel ammunition to continue their expansion and the rest of the world wont even blink. Israels long term goal has always been to absorb Palestine inch by inch, and using religion to justify territorial claims. Now they have a free license for an all out attack. Watch world leaders condemn (rightfully), Hamas killing innocent civilians. But watch them say nothing when Israel kills even more in retaliation.

Netanyahu and Hamas have undone any chances of progress in the region the past 15 years. Both need a bullet to the head. It's always the innocents who end up dying because of the actions of a few leaders with an ego and power trip. Unfortunately Palestinian civilians will be unfairly marked as terrorists themselves by the rest of the world, because of Hamas, and people will be celebrating Palestinian deaths for it. Never mind what they have had to endure at the hands of Israel themselves.

I still have a video of an Israeli solider chasing some Palestinian civilians, in a dozer, who were throwing rocks. Never mind the Israeli soldiers sniping at the civilians from over 100m away citing "defending themselves from people throwing rocks that went no where near them" before hand. Pussies with guns scared of rocks being thrown from miles away. I suppose they need an excuse for target practice.

Anyways, the driver of the dozer managed to catch up with a Palestinian man on the ground, slammed the bucket up and down repeatedly, crushing the Palestinian man to death. I saw his arm get ripped off, and flung into the air as a result. Plus bits of flesh as well. Seen a few videos of Israeli solider spitting in excitement when asked about their thoughts on Palestinians, and how they cant wait to shoot some. Plus Israels massacre of unarmed aid workers on a supply ship, which they covered up with lies about being shot at, and that the ship was a supply ship for Hamas. The pull the same BS spin Russia does to its own civilians.

Plenty of Israels general population has been brain washed into thinking that kicking Palenstinians out of their own homes is rightful and okay. They have the same smug and arrogant attitudes as Americans in the way that they talk about it, no wonder America is Israels only true ally. It is these sort of things that made me hate many things Israeli stands for idealogy wise. But you're not allowed to say that, because they play the "you hate Jews card" each time.

Their ancestors, survivors of the holocuast will be rolling in their graves at seeing their current generation illegally occupiying territory, kicking people out of their homes, killing innocent civilians, then run crying to America when someone hits back. Think they'd learn from that their Grandparents went through, instead of taking some pages out of 1930s Germanys play book.

Btw I hate Hamas as much, never support terrorist groups. Feel for the innocent civilians on both sides, as it is they who will cop the brunt of it. Stuck between a dictator with an ego, and a terrorist group. It is civlilians who pay the price.

Be interesting to see how long this "war" lasts for. But the implications of last nights actions will be felt for years. Zero chance of peace now, it will be all out war until one or the other is completely wiped.
 
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Completely unsurprising to hear Russia involved.

Taliban want to roll up too according the some reports.

The US and its allies could have stopped this by ending Russia sooner. Now it appears its a bit late.

The US and its allies could have stopped this by doing something about the oppression of the Palestinian people for decades. This was always a ticking time bomb, where people were going to be unwilling to live on their knees any longer.
 
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