It’s time to introduce a red card for dirty acts.

[smeltitdeltit]

Does the AFL not have a similar issue with concussions and having any contact to the head of a ball carrier being the defenders responsibility is a fair thing to apply to the AFL as well.

I’m not saying red card for the act. But if a player can’t return due to concussion and the ball wasn’t in dispute at the time the incident occurred the tackler/defender should have the onus put on them to tackle safely.

Where it gets complicated in afl is when the ball is in dispute. I don’t have a great answer for that. Perhaps the team with possesion is protected. Perhaps both sides have a duty of care to others and themselves and going into contests recklessly when hit should lead to both players getting suspended (similar to a double technical in basketball)

P McCartin got concussed with a spoil slightly brushing his head. Head high contact isn’t a football action. Should the defender who barely touched him have been sent off?? All because McCartin unfortunately had a very very prone noggin.

 

[smeltitdeltit]

if it was so blatantly a dog act, why no bombres fly any serious flag?

 

[Outtatym]

This is a competition that has umpires that can't get the most basic of decisions correct and a review system that is at times touch and go.
Do we really want to give them further opportunities to manipulate the result of a game?

 

[jdstorm]

P McCartin got concussed with a spoil slightly brushing his head. Head high contact isn’t a football action. Should the defender who barely touched him have been sent off?? All because McCartin unfortunately had a very very prone noggin.

To me absolutely.

That instance is more unlucky.
I just don’t think there should be much wiggle room on this.

If you make contact with the head and that player goes off concust you are out of the game.

Teams shouldn’t potentially get a 4 v 3 bench advantage for knocking guys out.

Edit: as for your other question. McGrath jumped to his defence. It was ineffective posturing. In general this Essendon team won’t fight much. Just who they are.

But also this is football not boxing. Games aren’t meant to devolve into brawls that see whole teams get suspended.

Jumper punches, actual punches, open hand slaps. Elbows and knees to the head. They are acts of a bigone era. Guys are too big and too strong now.

Hard tackles. Bumps, Shepards and general bodywork. Go for it but stay away from the head

 

[smeltitdeltit]

To me absolutely.

That instance is more unlucky.
I just don’t think there should be much wiggle room on this.

If you make contact with the head and that player goes off concust you are out of the game.

Teams shouldn’t potentially get a 4 v 3 bench advantage for knocking guys out.

Edit: as for your other question. McGrath jumped to his defence. It was ineffective posturing. In general this Essendon team won’t fight much. Just who they are.

But also this is football not boxing. Games aren’t meant to devolve into brawls that see whole teams get suspended.

Jumper punches, actual punches, open hand slaps. Elbows and knees to the head. They are acts of a bigone era. Guys are too big and too strong now.

Hard tackles. Bumps, Shepards and general bodywork. Go for it but stay away from the head

Nobody would be able to risk trying to spoil McCartin then. Would be an absolute farce

 

[jdstorm]

Nobody would be able to risk trying to spoil McCartin then. Would be an absolute farce

If he’s that high risk of a concussion he shouldn’t be allowed to play. Many players have retired due to sustained concussions. He can be the next

 

[smeltitdeltit]

If he’s that high risk of a concussion he shouldn’t be allowed to play. Many players have retired due to sustained concussions. He can be the next

He already has

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Okay so this thread is clearly in direct response to a Hawthorn player deliberately striking Jordan Ridley in the head.

If you think Scrimshaw deliberately tried to “strike” him in the head your brain is broken.

 

[Demon in Hell]

If you think Scrimshaw deliberately tried to “strike” him in the head your brain is broken.

Looks to see what team this poster supports…..yet another Hawks fan who knows nothing about football.

Scrimshaw could have swung his arm into the Essendon players guts but he didn’t. He whacked him in the head.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Looks to see what team this poster supports…..yet another Hawks fan who knows nothing about football.

Scrimshaw could have swung his arm into the Essendon players guts but he didn’t. He whacked him in the head.

This might be the dumbest post I’ve read on bigfooty today. Kudos.

Just because he swung his arm at someone who was about to handball doesn’t mean he was trying to strike them in the head.
Calling it a deliberate strike is idiocy.

 

[Demon in Hell]

This might be the dumbest post I’ve read on bigfooty today. Kudos.

Just because he swung his arm at someone who was about to handball doesn’t mean he was trying to strike them in the head.
Calling it a deliberate strike is idiocy.

Deliberate every day if the week.

 

[jdstorm]

If you think Scrimshaw deliberately tried to “strike” him in the head your brain is broken.

He deliberately tried to strike him.
wether you want to call that strike a tackle or a bump or a clumsy swinging arm. Scrimshaw intentionally instigated contact with Ridley. That strike hit him in the head.

Scrimshaw has a responsibility not to do that.

Given how other hawks (Sicily and Watson) did deliberately instigate contact with Essendon players heads. Sicily with Ben Hobbs on a mark and Watson rubbing his fist on someone’s jaw at the bottom of a pack. It’s reasonable to assume that as a team Hawthorn were more than willing to do that deliberately.

So with me there’s absolutely no benefit of the doubt.

 

[aCunningPlan]

This might be the dumbest post I’ve read on bigfooty today. Kudos.

Just because he swung his arm at someone who was about to handball doesn’t mean he was trying to strike them in the head.
Calling it a deliberate strike is idiocy.

There's a reason they call it a strike and not a punch, his decision to deliberately swing his arm around in a dangerous manner is not in question, it's a classic strike.

 

[boncer34]

This might be the dumbest post I’ve read on bigfooty today. Kudos.

Just because he swung his arm at someone who was about to handball doesn’t mean he was trying to strike them in the head.
Calling it a deliberate strike is idiocy.

Calling it a deliberate strike to the head is idiotic.

Saying it wasnt a deliberate strike at all is also idiotic. He was clearly trying to hit him, I think his chest personally but it was absolutely a deliberate strike.

 

[cryptor]

Ridley went off Concust while hawthorn got to play a half of football with a 4-3 advantage on the bench after Langford went down.

Just to be clear here. The Ridley incident occurred early in the second quarter and he didn’t “went off Concust” until the half time break. And Langford didn’t go off injured until late in the third quarter.

Question should really be why the Essendon medical team didn’t do a HIA on Ridley right away given his history and the fact the hit occurred metres from their bench. Port Adelaide copped a huge fine for failing to adhere to concussion protocols.

 

[Gaspard]

The particular case that sparked this thread is not one I have seen, but the general thrust is valid. We should have a red (and yellow) card system. For many years, teams have looked to injure opposition stars to get them out of games. Some teams are coached in methods to do so. The knee to the thigh to cause a corkie is one such method. There are many.

The available video in near enough to real time would allow officials off the field to identify and arrange penalties very quickly for such behaviour. The umpires are wired up and could be notified of the decisions straight away.

The only reason thuggery continues is that the AFL does not want to act to stop it. listening to commentators like Luke Hodge and Jordan Lewis defend thug acts tells us why. The AFL is not prepared to wear the criticism from past perpetrators if it makes a move to intervene.

 

[skipper kelly]

10 in the bin in the NRL.

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

Scrimshaw's 3 weeks will be upheld. Nothing surer.

 

[jdstorm]

Just to be clear here. The Ridley incident occurred early in the second quarter and he didn’t “went off Concust” until the half time break. And Langford didn’t go off injured until late in the third quarter.

Question should really be why the Essendon medical team didn’t do a HIA on Ridley right away given his history and the fact the hit occurred metres from their bench. Port Adelaide copped a huge fine for failing to adhere to concussion protocols.

Essendons medical team does deserve to be flamed for sending a player out with a concussion (although again why independent medical staff don’t assess this I’ll never understand)

If there’s any club that should have learned not to use players as a medical test case it’s Essendon.

However they wouldn’t have had to do a HIA test if Scrimshaw hadn’t struck Ridley in the head with his forearm.


…..

Anyway not long after this thread posted we got another awful incident in the Kangaroos vs Bulldogs game.

A bulldogs player knocked out with initial fears that he might be paralysed because a young north player attacked the contest with reckless speed.

It was late in the game and didn’t overly affect the result. However Archer clearly was reckless and showed insufficient intent to play the game safely. Got a 3 week suspension for this. Yet a knee to the head at that speed is about as dangerous an impact as exists in professional sport that doesn’t involve horsepower or skis. It’s far stronger than a punch.

A red card would have absolutely been warranted in that situation as well

 

[peetoo]

Okay so this thread is clearly in direct response to a Hawthorn player deliberately striking Jordan Ridley in the head.

Ridley went off Concust while hawthorn got to play a half of football with a 4-3 advantage on the bench after Langford went down.

The Hawthorn player will get 2-3 weeks suspension but that doesnt change the fact that any player who does that will give their team a distinct advantage.

A few years ago Ridley was also subject to another deliberate strike to the face by a Port Adelaide small forward and his jaw got broken.

Port won in a close game.

Unless the AFL overhauls the interchange system it’s a joke that you can deliberately take out one of your opponent’s best players and benefit from it that week

If Peter Wright got 4 weeks last year for protecting himself in a marking contest that should be a 6 week suspension.

Unnessecary intentional high contact causing injury can’t be tolerated

Part of the argument is blown here cos Ridley played for longer than scrim, and the sub rule is there for that anyway.

Not excusing the act which was very clumsy at best

 

[lordbob]

Essendons medical team does deserve to be flamed for sending a player out with a concussion (although again why independent medical staff don’t assess this I’ll never understand)

If there’s any club that should have learned not to use players as a medical test case it’s Essendon.

However they wouldn’t have had to do a HIA test if Scrimshaw hadn’t struck Ridley in the head with his forearm.


…..

Anyway not long after this thread posted we got another awful incident in the Kangaroos vs Bulldogs game.

A bulldogs player knocked out with initial fears that he might be paralysed because a young north player attacked the contest with reckless speed.

It was late in the game and didn’t overly affect the result. However Archer clearly was reckless and showed insufficient intent to play the game safely. Got a 3 week suspension for this. Yet a knee to the head at that speed is about as dangerous an impact as exists in professional sport that doesn’t involve horsepower or skis. It’s far stronger than a punch.

A red card would have absolutely been warranted in that situation as well

Most people would disagree with you judging by the archer cleary thread poll. You can't slide in and take out another player's legs. I dont care if you touch the ball first or not, you cant do it. Usually the player who slides in and takes out anotehr player's legs gets the ball first. Its dangerous. It could have snapped archer's leg, such things have happened in the past. Cleary attacked the ball in a reckless manner by sliding to ground and into archer and got concussed for it.


Free kick archer is what should have happened. The suspension is a joke.

 

[jdstorm]

Most people would disagree with you judging by the archer cleary thread poll. You can't slide in and take out another player's legs. I dont care if you touch the ball first or not, you cant do it. Usually the player who slides in and takes out anotehr player's legs gets the ball first. Its dangerous. It could have snapped archer's leg, such things have happened in the past. Cleary attacked the ball in a reckless manner by sliding to ground and into archer and got concussed for it.


Free kick archer is what should have happened. The suspension is a joke.

I haven’t gone over the incident in fine detail but I remember it as two players competing for the ball then archer ran in from 30m away full speed and couldn’t stop. Had no buisness being involved in that contest.

I think it’s a case where both players can be in the wrong. Attacking a contest front on at full speed from that distance is just a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[lordbob]

I haven’t gone over the incident in fine detail but I remember it as two players competing for the ball then archer ran in from 30m away full speed and couldn’t stop. Had no buisness being involved in that contest.

I think it’s a case where both players can be in the wrong. Attacking a contest front on at full speed from that distance is just a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[ApplecrossWC]

Would Lobb get a red card for punching Cox in the face?

 

[hawkman]

Can we red card umps? That was dirty what they did tonight