It is now official, Nick Maxwell is an underrated Collingwood defender.

[Pie eyed]

To all,

Yes I agree Maxwell has had pretty good form since coming back from suspension. But it took him 100 games to string a few good matches together. Should have been given the chop a few seasons ago. I still believe he is highly overated as a player. Should not be Pies captain and should never have made it to 100 games in the first place.

LOlz.


It's like groundhog day at your place...no?

 

[PieLebo87]

Is it relevant if it has or hasnt taken him 100 games to get to this standard? Is he not of a high standard at the moment?

I guess in that case, you'd also be hoping that we get rid of Davis at the end of the year too. Shocking that it has taken him that long to perform!!

 

[the_fresh]

I've always loved him and thought of hm as one of the most under-rated players.

Just on Maxwell has he ever been dropped?
I remember him missing games early on after breaking his leg and then a few games when rubbed out but can't remember ever being dropepd.

 

[Pie eyed]

I've always loved him and thought of hm as one of the most under-rated players.

Just on Maxwell has he ever been dropped?
I remember him missing games early on after breaking his leg and then a few games when rubbed out but can't remember ever being dropepd.

Never dropped. He has only missed through injury or suspension.

 

[rose jam]

the player I think he is most comparable to is Campbell Brown, but ask Dorks supporters what they think. But then again they think Osborne is better than Medhurst

 

[shawthing09]

Campbell Brown is a very poor comparison if you ask me. Brown is much more Harry O then Maxwell. His ability to play defensively well above his height on the lead up types as well as lock down fast mobile mediums and small pockets gives their backline a lot of versatility and stability.

Maxwell's best comparison in pretty much every way is Tom Harley. Harley is probably a bit better one on one but the skills and qualitys are pretty similar.

 

[didaka]

I love players like Maxwell.

I'd be telling him this Monday to smash Watts every time he's near him.

 

[Pie eyed]

Campbell Brown is a very poor comparison if you ask me. Brown is much more Harry O then Maxwell. His ability to play defensively well above his height on the lead up types as well as lock down fast mobile mediums and small pockets gives their backline a lot of versatility and stability.

Maxwell's best comparison in pretty much every way is Tom Harley. Harley is probably a bit better one on one but the skills and qualitys are pretty similar.

I love players like Maxwell.

I'd be telling him this Monday to smash Watts every time he's near him.

Funny you make these comments.
On the footy show tonight Campbell Brown was saying if he was on Watts he would smash him a few times to see what he's made of. Test him out. LOL.
That said Maxie has been doing very well to play the ball. That's what he should continue to do however if it needs to happen he'll still have to set the standard as far as commitment to the contest.

I hope has a blinder.

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

Has definitely improved.

Last year it seemed to me like he was trying to back up his 'tough man' reputation.

At the moment he is just playing footy, and is one of our best when it comes to aerial contests. Always gets a fist in or takes the mark (and always manages to know when to spoil and when to mark well).

His rebound has improved as well. His skills have never been horrible, despite what some people say. His decision making and composure has appeared to be good lately, hopefully this will be the norm for him from here on in.

It almost seemed to me that he was caught up in being workman like once. Now he's just playing football.

Ever since Clement left we've lacked a proper general down back. Maxwell is, and never will be anything close to the player of Clement, but when it comes to leadership and organising the backline, he's as close as we have at the moment.

You're right; his kicking is GOOD, i think players who keep it simple and don't have the flourish that others do when they're kicking are automatically labeled bad kicks and its an almost impossible tag to shake. His problem was only ever his decision making which i think now is generally first rate. Only qualm i have with maxy is that when he punches he too often punches hard to the centre and not out wide which occasionally causes goals to the opposition. Is a very good player though and a good leader.

 

[Somebody]

I thought he was a suspect choice for capt, but looks like he's one of those players who are natural leaders - ie play much better when they're captain than not - whereas most players' form drops off due to the extra duties and pressure of being skipper.

 

[Mickaman]

Is it relevant if it has or hasnt taken him 100 games to get to this standard? Is he not of a high standard at the moment?

I guess in that case, you'd also be hoping that we get rid of Davis at the end of the year too. Shocking that it has taken him that long to perform!!

At least with Davis his worst was no where near as bad as Maxwells. It was always visible with Davis that if he put his mind to it that he could do almost anything on the footy field. With Maxwell he has underperformed in most of his games. Yes it should not take a hundred games to play good football.

Also yes it is groundhog day I have never had any time for him never will.

Do you think I am the only person who thinks this? As any pies supporters I have spoken to only one thinks he is ok, and that probably is because his son in law is his manager.

 

[magpie_militia]

At least with Davis his worst was no where near as bad as Maxwells. It was always visible with Davis that if he put his mind to it that he could do almost anything on the footy field. With Maxwell he has underperformed in most of his games. Yes it should not take a hundred games to play good football.

Also yes it is groundhog day I have never had any time for him never will.

Do you think I am the only person who thinks this? As any pies supporters I have spoken to only one thinks he is ok, and that probably is because his son in law is his manager.

So, do you think Maxwell should have been dropped this week?

 

[Mickaman]

So, do you think Maxwell should have been dropped this week?

If you had have read my first message I stated that I believe he has strung a few good games (career best form) together since returning from suspension. No at the moment he should not be dropped. That said I believe that not only should he not be captain he should not have been retained on the list as until now as a player (not as a leader) he has never shown anything. It should not take 100 games to finally show something hence the reasons why players only get 2 to 3 year contracts in modern football as form can go disappear pretty quickly.

 

[Optimax]

Hey big bucks is back

why am i not impressed

 

[Return of the Pies]

I've been waiting for this to be made official

Haha. How do we know? - is there a certificate and ceremony or something? -

BigFooty Certificate of Basic Adequacy

Officially Awarded to
~ Nick Maxwell ~
who has satisfied all crieria warranting
promotion from the title of
Captain of Collingwood
and successful progression to
the title of
Underrated Collingwood Defender
​

Nick will be rapt with this significant accolade - Straight to the poolroom!
PS yes he is in great form.​

​

 

[PieLebo87]

At least with Davis his worst was no where near as bad as Maxwells.

LOL you obviously just started supporting Collingwood? Or you're only just hit puberty.

 

[Daicos Mullets]

His effort in the 3rd quarter against Port, to run 20-30 metres to spoil a certain Port mark & shot on goal, which was then run up the other end for a Pies goal, was absolutely inspirational. Exactly what you want your captain to be doing.

 

[kaleu]

He's still a poor man's Jason Cloke.

 

[Pie eyed]

At least with Davis his worst was no where near as bad as Maxwells. It was always visible with Davis that if he put his mind to it that he could do almost anything on the footy field. With Maxwell he has underperformed in most of his games. Yes it should not take a hundred games to play good football.

Also yes it is groundhog day I have never had any time for him never will.

Do you think I am the only person who thinks this? As any pies supporters I have spoken to only one thinks he is ok, and that probably is because his son in law is his manager.

If you were to catch a rat, very carefully turn it over and just under it's tale you will find a very small, puckered little thing....that's the Rats Arse I don't give for how many people you think agree with your statement or who his manager is.

 

[Snag Breac]

If you were to catch a rat, very carefully turn it over and just under it's tail you will find a very small, puckered little thing....that's the Rats Arse I don't give for how many people you think agree with your statement or who his manager is.

You really drew me in there, Pie eyed - like reading a great short story.

 

[Mickaman]

LOL you obviously just started supporting Collingwood? Or you're only just hit puberty.

I would take Davis at any stage of his career over Maxwell. He is a spud end of story. I saw someone else call him a poor mans Jason Cloke. I totally agree with that comment. He should never have made it to 100 games. Its a disgrace that we kept the hack on the list and then he bacme captain while J Cloke was delisted. It made me feel sick to my stomach. I still don't watch the coin toss while that moron is captain. I do like hard players but I think its all pretend with him, have you heard how he squeals like a girl when he gives away a free kick.

 

[Pie eyed]

I would take Davis at any stage of his career over Maxwell. He is a spud end of story. I saw someone else call him a poor mans Jason Cloke. I totally agree with that comment. He should never have made it to 100 games. Its a disgrace that we kept the hack on the list and then he bacme captain while J Cloke was delisted. It made me feel sick to my stomach. I still don't watch the coin toss while that moron is captain. I do like hard players but I think its all pretend with him, have you heard how he squeals like a girl when he gives away a free kick.

I can only echo PieLebo's comments.

You are obviously very young and never saw any of Leon's early seasons.
I'm glad you brought up Jason Cloke too.
I know Jason personally and he thinks Maxwell is a great Captain and was the obvious choice, so don't feel too badly for him.

 

[Mickaman]

I can only echo PieLebo's comments.

You are obviously very young and never saw any of Leon's early seasons.
I'm glad you brought up Jason Cloke too.
I know Jason personally and he thinks Maxwell is a great Captain and was the obvious choice, so don't feel too badly for him.

Not that young unfortunately. I have seen most of Leons games and realise he did have some shocking games 02 GF for example. But the point that I am trying to make is although the "igniter" did have games like this you could always see that he had something special about him and it was his mind letting him down. I believe he now stays in matches for the whole game whereas early on his career his mind was not in matches and he would switch on and off. With Maxwell he has never shown any football ability until recently. He is a hard worker meat and potatoes at best.

 

[Pie eyed]

Not that young unfortunately. I have seen most of Leons games and realise he did have some shocking games 02 GF for example. But the point that I am trying to make is although the "igniter" did have games like this you could always see that he had something special about him and it was his mind letting him down. I believe he now stays in matches for the whole game whereas early on his career his mind was not in matches and he would switch on and off. With Maxwell he has never shown any football ability until recently. He is a hard worker meat and potatoes at best.

I have to totally disagree.

Maxwell is definitely not one of the "stars" of the game and that is his strong point.
He has had to work extremely hard to achieve what he set out to do.
I rate him and always have. The first game he played for the AFL side I knew he would be a potential Captain.
Malthouse saw it.
Buckley saw it.
The rest of the side saw it.

He worked hard and made it a reality.
The fact he could and did achieve something which was highly unlikely considering the type of player, he acknowledges he is, is testament to the qualities which make him an ideal leader.
He never gives up, is totally single minded, focussed and dedicated to his goals.

He exudes these qualities to not just the younger players but the senior players.
If any criticism can be made of his early games as captain he was too exuberant.
He has control of this now and apart from his current excellent form and good games being commented upon you rarely hear much else about Maxwell. He is leading by example and doing a great job.

What is it you expect from a captain?

 

[Mickaman]

I have to totally disagree.

Maxwell is definitely not one of the "stars" of the game and that is his strong point.
He has had to work extremely hard to achieve what he set out to do.
I rate him and always have. The first game he played for the AFL side I knew he would be a potential Captain.
Malthouse saw it.
Buckley saw it.
The rest of the side saw it.

He worked hard and made it a reality.
The fact he could and did achieve something which was highly unlikely considering the type of player, he acknowledges he is, is testament to the qualities which make him an ideal leader.
He never gives up, is totally single minded, focussed and dedicated to his goals.

He exudes these qualities to not just the younger players but the senior players.
If any criticism can be made of his early games as captain he was too exuberant.
He has control of this now and apart from his current excellent form and good games being commented upon you rarely hear much else about Maxwell. He is leading by example and doing a great job.

What is it you expect from a captain?

I expect a captain to lead by example and not kick it out of bounds or straight to the opposition more often than not. I believe other teams see him as the weak link in pies backline and make him the loose man (except Melbourne who made Shaw as the loose man) as they know he regularly coughs the ball up. Being a loose man makes any player look so much better as you can go up as the 3rd man in a contest or get handball receives. Opposition used to do this with Rhyce Shaw and he was exactly the same as Maxwell cough it up too many times. At least we got rid of him.

If you look at our more recent previous captains prior to Maxwell. You have:

Burns
Buckley
Brown
Shaw

These guys all exuded leadership guts determination toughness as well as skills. I obviously am not in the inner sanctum so I am sure there is some reason why he was chosen as captain. My beef is more the fact that I do not think he is up to AFL standard. I have never seen any ability in his football. Being captain means that he is chosen every week no matter how bad his form is. I think he probably played he best three games not against Melbourne but prior to that.