It's the Gary Ablett fraud thread

[Keldar]

At least one News Limited publication does its homework

Yes, the Geelong Addy (and a proper journo to boot in Bec Tucker) actually bothered to speak to a ranking police officer and obtained a direct quote.

Unlike the ********er from the HUN who spoke to a Snr Constable who was not authorised to speak to the media; but he was referred to by name anyway.

Pathetic stuff Herald Sun.

 

[bunsen burner]

I take your point Bunsen.

Everyone else hear that?

You state that you know all about depression and its effects on how people act and react.

Not exactly. I said I know about depression and I do. I didn't say I was an expert and knew everything. But I did say I know enough to know that issuing bad cheques has nothing to do with depresion - which you agree with.

Have you ever suffered from it yourself????

Nope.

I am not to proud to say that I have fought the black dog for many years and until you have suffered from this insidious illness yourself, you are just blowing smoke up all our arses.

As I said - didn't claim to be an expert but I do know about it.

Clinical depression robs you, (at its darkest moments), of the will to live and the ability of rational thought.

I know. Just like I know AIDS attacks your immune system and German measles gives you red spots and lethargia. Don't have to have these things to be aware of the symptoms.

But knobhead here is trying to say that the "inability for rational thought" might make someone issue a rubber cheque. Rather than address me maybe you should tell the said arse clown that he doesn't know what he's on about?

Think about that before your next rant.

Get over yourself. Just because you have depresion doesn't mean that you're the only one who can talk about it. As I said, go tell the arseclown who's wrong that he's wrong. I've said nothing that isn't true re depresion.

 

[bushie]

Everyone else hear that?

Not exactly. I said I know about depression and I do. I didn't say I was an expert and knew everything. But I did say I know enough to know that issuing bad cheques has nothing to do with depresion - which you agree with.

Nope.

As I said - didn't claim to be an expert but I do know about it.

I know. Just like I know AIDS attacks your immune system and German measles gives you red spots and lethargia. Don't have to have these things to be aware of the symptoms.

But knobhead here is trying to say that the "inability for rational thought" might make someone issue a rubber cheque. Rather than address me maybe you should tell the said arse clown that he doesn't know what he's on about?

Get over yourself. Just because you have depresion doesn't mean that you're the only one who can talk about it. As I said, go tell the arseclown who's wrong that he's wrong. I've said nothing that isn't true re depresion.

You just made yourself look very bloody stupid.

 

[rugmop]

Please explain how this disconnection from reality relates to writing a bounced cheque?

Clearly you know little about depresion if you think this is what the "disconnection from reality" is about.

The whole of life is beyond a person who suffers from profound depression. That you wish to connect Ablett's alleged activities with a criminal malevolence, rather than the possibilty of a mistake or a psychological indisposition says a lot about you.

Even you Bunsen would have to admit that the evidence presented is flimsy, but you choose to believe the worst. Are you that sort of person, or do you merely do it for effect on a, goodness me, it's a footy internet forum?

 

[bunsen burner]

You just made yourself look very bloody stupid.

Any chance you can explain why?

 

[bushie]

Any chance you can explain why?

That would be more than obvious to anyone who reads my post and then your reply.

I wouldn't wish clinical depression on my worst enemy, but in your case I am reconsidering that stance.

But we will let the BF posters decide if you really are a complete idiot or not.

 

[bunsen burner]

The whole of life is beyond a person who suffers from profound depression.

Not true.

That you wish to connect Ablett's alleged activities with a criminal malevolence, rather than the possibilty of a mistake or a psychological indisposition says a lot about you.

I believe it's him being shifty - that's an opinion. It may have been a mistake. But it's not about depression - and that isn't an opinion, more a fact.

No one here is yet to show me any evidence that there's a link between bad cheques and depression. There's even a depression sufferer here agreeing that there is no link.

Even you Bunsen would have to admit that the evidence presented is flimsy,

This is not my argument. Not sure why you are bringing it up?

 

[bushie]

There's even a depression sufferer here agreeing that there is no link.

I was being honest.

Don't misquote me like that.


You need to grow up.


Seriously.

 

[rugmop]

Any chance you can explain why?

I've got a better idea. Why don't you explain your radically antipathetic attitude in this thread? Has this subject touched a nerve? You are not usually this emphatically unsympathetic. Maybe I'm being too generous?

 

[bunsen burner]

That would be more than obvious to anyone who reads my post and then your reply.

All I see is you weaseling out. Why don't you just spell it out? How about you answer these very simple questions:

1. A person writes a bad cheque knowing it's going to bounce. Is this because depresion? ie does depression stop him from knowing the difference between right and wrong?

2. A person isuues a cheque from an account he thinks is open and cashed up. It turns out he forgot that it was closed or his manager didn't tell him it was closed. Is this because of depression or is it much more likely it is a genuine mistake through miscommuniation or forgetfulness?

I wouldn't wish clinical depression on my worst enemy, but in your case I am reconsidering that stance.

I wouldn't wish a clinical depression sufferer to top themselves, but in your case I am reconsidering that stance.

Just thought i'd point out how stupid your comment was.

But we will let the BF posters decide if you really are a complete idiot or not.

Sure.

 

[bunsen burner]

There's even a depression sufferer here agreeing that there is no link.
quote]




You prick.


I was being honest.

Don't misquote me like that.


You need to grow up.


Seriously.

So you think there's a link between issuing bad cheques and depression? A simple yes or no will suffice at this point.

Thanks in advance. Don't do anything stupid while I'm gone. There's helplines you know.

 

[rugmop]

All I see is you weaseling out. Why don't you just spell it out? How about you answer these very simple questions:

1. A person writes a bad cheque knowing it's going to bounce. Is this because depresion? ie does depression stop him from knowing the difference between right and wrong?

2. A person isuues a cheque from an account he thinks is open and cashed up. It turns out he forgot that it was closed or his manager didn't tell him it was closed. Is this because of depression or is it much more likely it is a genuine mistake through miscommuniation or forgetfulness?

I wouldn't wish a clinical depression sufferer to top themselves, but in your case I am reconsidering that stance.

Just thought i'd point out how stupid your comment was.

Sure.

You have nothing meaningful to contribute to this conversation. Leave the room.

 

[rugmop]

So you think there's a link between issuing bad cheques and depression? A simple yes or no will suffice at this point.

Thanks in advance. Don't do anything stupid while I'm gone. There's helplines you know.

Thanks for exposing yourself for all to see. Saves us the trouble. There are no help lines for you. Here's a razor. No loss. Bye.

Edit: Cut down the veins, rather than across them.

 

[bunsen burner]

I've got a better idea. Why don't you explain your radically antipathetic attitude in this thread?

What radical attitude? I've simply stated that there's no link between depression and issuing bad cheques. So far everyone has danced around it on their high horse and no one has come up with any such evidence that there's a link.

The funniest bit is people like you who are deluded and are keeping up with the weak argument.

Has this subject touched a nerve? You are not usually this emphatically unsympathetic. Maybe I'm being too generous?

What has this got to do with sympathy?

This is the difference between me and all the other plebs I'm debating here - they think this is about sympathy. It's not about sympathy, it's about truth. It's about what depresion is like. Take hero boy Ablett and the GFC out of the equation and ask yourself the question: would depresion make someone write a bad cheque? The answer is no.

All that's happening here is a bunch of misguided people have taken up an emotional argument on the back of Gary Ablett/GFC and not realised that they're neither here nor there.

 

[bunsen burner]

You have nothing meaningful to contribute to this conversation. Leave the room.

Sounds like you've had your pansy arse smacked. You could answer the question if you're game.

 

[bunsen burner]

Thanks for exposing yourself for all to see. Saves us the trouble. There are no help lines for you. Here's a razor. No loss. Bye.

Edit: Cut down the veins, rather than across them.

I noticed you made no comment to this post:

I wouldn't wish clinical depression on my worst enemy, but in your case I am reconsidering that stance.

Any reason why you're avoiding the actual argument?

 

[JeffDunne]

Clinical depression affects mood, mind, body, and behavior.

Does having it mean you write bad cheques? No.

Does having it mean you might make poor choices? Yes.

I think you can connect the dots BB (that is if you wanted to).

 

[bunsen burner]

Clinical depression affects mood, mind, body, and behavior.

Does having it mean you write bad cheques? No.

Does having it mean you might make poor choices? Yes.

I think you can connect the dots BB (that is if you wanted to).

Extremely flimsy. "Might", "Possible", "Might lead you in the wrong direction" etc

Bout time for some evidence.

 

[JeffDunne]

Extremely flimsy. "Might", "Possible", "Might lead you in the wrong direction" etc

Bout time for some evidence.

Evidence of what?

Clinical depression affecting behavior?

 

[ripitup27]

But you're happy to come in here and expect no one talk about Ablett? Do you not see the double standard?

I suggested you get your facts right before you talk about this new claim. I never said don't talk about him at all did I...

 

[Chief]

Bunny if you're trying to pretend that depression doesn't affect a persons entire personality and impact the decisions they make day to day you're speaking from pure ignorance or just trolling for kicks.

Either way it is probably best if you keep your hands off the keyboard on this thread.

 

[rugmop]

This is the difference between me and all the other plebs I'm debating here - they think this is about sympathy. It's not about sympathy, it's about truth. It's about what depresion is like. Take hero boy Ablett and the GFC out of the equation and ask yourself the question: would depresion make someone write a bad cheque? The answer is no.

If this is about truth, you'll be able to provide evidence of criminal activity. Otherwise, why are you so damning? I detect another agenda at play here, which you're not stating.

BTW, do you see any arrogance in your attitude to the other posters on this topic with whom you disagree?

"hero boy Ablett", may be an indicator of of your attitude do you think?

 

[ripitup27]

Post #37 ****chops:

Didn't see this guy putting his hand up and saying we should STFU re Tarrant, Carey etc. Given he's a Geelong supporter it's quite clear he thinks no one should talk about any of his precious Geelong boys before we know all the facts.

Ok. Now lets get this straight. I suggested we leave it alone because we don't have the facts, and since then it has been shown Ablett has done nothing wrong. I was right. It should have been left alone because it was not true.

Now, why did I say nothing about the Tarrant thing? Because it didn't interest me one bit. Not one bit. So why should I say something about it when I know nothing about. The Ablett thing I knew there was no shred of evidence it was true, so I said something.

The Carey thing? The facts were there, he did what he did, he admitted it, and everybody knew. He deserved to be talked about because he did something wrong. Ablett has done nothing wrong in this case.

Are we clear now dear?

 

[jim boy]

Because you've just had the audacity to claim people should not be able to talk about Gary Ablett.

Not if it is slanderous, you've accused him of fraud, of criminal activity in deliberately writing bad cheques, despite the fact that there is no case to answer according to the police.

Sure there was the civil case, but that just means that Gary wrote bad cheques, not that there was any criminal intent behind it.

 

[bunsen burner]

I suggested you get your facts right before you talk about this new claim. I never said don't talk about him at all did I...

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