Oppo Camp Jack Ginnivan (Traded to Hawks 2023)

[jonmacTrag]

I don’t see why the two of you are drawing false equivalencies between being athletically limited, and being a player who is unworthy of being in our best 22.

Taylor Adams is athletically limited. So too Josh Thomas, Brody Mihocek, Jack Madgen, Jordan Roughead, Chris Mayne, Trent Bianco… I could go on.

WOT???????

 

[sr36]

So who has right of way Gin, McCreey, Elliott, Daicos (either) or Stengle when he comes onboard at years end?

Elliott and Mcreery. But it's likely that Elliott will still play as our full forward target, so there's space for more. i think th younger Daics will play higher up the ground so that he can utilise his run and spread.

 

[domus]

Do you feel the same way when Selwood does it against us?

To be fair, I love it when our boys take speccies on the heads of the opposition, but I don't enjoy it when the opposition players do it to us. I don't like anything the opposing team does which negatively impacts my team.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I think when he gets fully fit he will be a very dangerous player and the reason he may be athletically limited is because of lack of game time in the last season or so, I think his 1st goal of his career was beyond 50 so he has a reasonable leg in addition to the brain which in terms of football is 1st class.

I think he is classy and has some good football tricks, but to me he is at best average in all the relevant metrics athletically (which is what I would consider “limited athletically”, much to the howls from the audience). I still think he could be a good player for us, but I doubt it will be because he suddenly finds McCreery’s pace, Elliott’s leap or Sidebottom’s strength to break tackles.

 

[manicpie]

I think he is classy and has some good football tricks, but to me he is at best average in all the relevant metrics athletically (which is what I would consider “limited athletically”, much to the howls from the audience). I still think he could be a good player for us, but I doubt it will be because he suddenly finds McCreery’s pace, Elliott’s leap or Sidebottom’s strength to break tackles.

You can't make those sort of comparisons for a kid who has played 3 games and a handful of VFL games in the last 2 years. His body hasn't even developed yet. I think you are way off on this one.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

You can't make those sort of comparisons for a kid who has played 3 games and a handful of VFL games in the last 2 years. His body hasn't even developed yet. I think you are way off on this one.

Sure you can; what do you think scouting departments and the AFL combine are for?

 

[manicpie]

Sure you can; what do you think scouting departments and the AFL combine are for?

What if I told you that I know someone who works in recruiting for the AFL, who has been following him since his under 13's day's tells me the complete opposite to what you are predicting? I will probably go by his word on this one

 

[Jen2310]

Jack Ginnivan
Bendigo Pioneers, NAB League / Strathfieldsaye
Height: 183cm
Weight: 77kg
19/12/02

Medium midfielder who can play forward or back. Very agile player who reads the play exceptionally well using his anticipation to make good position. An efficient user of the ball by hand and foot, he showed his potential as a bottom age player last year in 12 matches for the Bendigo Pioneers in the NAB League averaging 16.1 disposals then started well this year in trial against the GWV Rebels winning 18 possessions in a promising start to 2020 before shutdown.

Ginnivan has been on the radar of recruiters for years after his insane goalkicking feat as a youngster. Ginnivan kicked 119 goals in a season as an 11-year-old for Newstead in the Maryborough Castlemaine District Football League and he certainly hasn’t lost his goal sense.

The forward/midfielder slotted 19 goals in 12 NAB League games last season, with 14 of those coming in the back half of the year. While he needs to build on his size, Ginnivan has an impressive athletic profile, blessed with endurance, speed and agility. His flexibility is perhaps the most attractive asset for AFL clubs, viewed as a prospect who can play at either end or through the middle at the next level.

He was able to play two games in the Bendigo Football League for Strathfieldsaye this season and impressed. Ginnivan stole the show through the midfield in one of those talent-laden games – featuring 10 NAB League players – in front of a host of recruiters. The Pioneers product is one player who can boost his draft stocks further with strong results at the Victorian state combine later this month.

Bendigo Pioneers coach Damian Trustlove: “He’s got goal sense that not many kids have. He can jump, he can run, he’s got good agility and he can play anywhere.”

 

[The Royal Sampler]

What if I told you that I know someone who works in recruiting for the AFL, who has been following him since his under 13's day's tells me the complete opposite to what you are predicting? I will probably go by his word on this one

I’d say “sounds great, hope he’s right!”

 

[Shannin]

So who has right of way Gin, McCreey, Elliott, Daicos (either) or Stengle when he comes onboard at years end?

Stengle? we can only wish. They all play for mine 2 talls plus 4 of the above and one on the bench

 

[No SPIN]

I don’t see why the two of you are drawing false equivalencies between being athletically limited, and being a player who is unworthy of being in our best 22.

Taylor Adams is athletically limited. So too Josh Thomas, Brody Mihocek, Jack Madgen, Jordan Roughead, Chris Mayne, Trent Bianco… I could go on.

TRS - I wasn’t sure what point you were making with the reference to his limited athleticism, and assumed you were expressing a concern that it would preclude him from making the grade.

 

[Mukesh]

I don't particularly like the matrix they use and think it should be about the action and not the result. But the matrix is a reality. Danger was hospitalised thus it's high impact. The bloke Buddy got was fine. So I wouldn't conclude it was just anti Green or pro Buddy bias.

It should be all about the action... I'm sure the result is subject to a number of factors which can lead to the same action resulting in no harm to one player and unconsciousness to another...

 

[ipswichpies]

I think he is classy and has some good football tricks, but to me he is at best average in all the relevant metrics athletically (which is what I would consider “limited athletically”, much to the howls from the audience). I still think he could be a good player for us, but I doubt it will be because he suddenly finds McCreery’s pace, Elliott’s leap or Sidebottom’s strength to break tackles.

You are right he may never gain those attributes those 3 possess but I think he has a superior football brain that for me is unteachable and that will carry him a long way.

 

[JLC]

So who has right of way Gin, McCreey, Elliott, Daicos (either) or Stengle when he comes onboard at years end?

McCreery defintely stays. His defensive pressure is elite and he gets to good spots.

Ginnivan appears to be a bloody good kick
kick for goal and a good ball user. Needs to be in the team.

Elliott i prefer higher up the ground and running at the goals. When opponents put a taller player with decent leg speed then its hard for Elliott.

Stengle is not on our list yet and needs to prove himself.

Daicos can go back to a wing.

It would be nice to have an unpredictable mix of small forwards.

 

[jonmacTrag]

It should be all about the action... I'm sure the result is subject to a number of factors which can lead to the same action resulting in no harm to one player and unconsciousness to another...

Look it's pretty simple really Green swung his elbow at the neck and connected. Couldn't have missed the larynx by much and a blow from a roundhouse elbow at terminal closing speed would do more than just crack it.
It was a low dog act.
He has history and he is hiding behind the AFL.

One of these days someone is going to line him up and go straight through him, regardless of the consequences.
Slime ball snipers like him only learn the hard way.

 

[Kirby]

 

[sr36]

I think he is classy and has some good football tricks, but to me he is at best average in all the relevant metrics athletically (which is what I would consider “limited athletically”, much to the howls from the audience). I still think he could be a good player for us, but I doubt it will be because he suddenly finds McCreery’s pace, Elliott’s leap or Sidebottom’s strength to break tackles.

He might find Sideys strength to break tackles, but pretty hard to break a tackle when you've thrown yourself backwards and flopped at the tackler.

 

[jonmacTrag]

He might find Sideys strength to break tackles, but pretty hard to break a tackle when you've thrown yourself backwards and flopped at the tackler.

Milking frees has worked wonderfully for Geelong.

 

[sr36]

Milking frees has worked wonderfully for Geelong.

Selwood's famous technique of dropping at the knees and raising his arm often gets his arms free to handball and it sometimes breaks tackles as well, so it's different and much better than the new wave who are going just for the free, because Selwood is still looking to dish off if he doesn't get the whistle.

 

[jonmacTrag]

Selwood's famous technique of dropping at the knees and raising his arm often gets his arms free to handball and it sometimes breaks tackles as well, so it's different and much better than the new wave who are going just for the free, because Selwood is still looking to dish off if he doesn't get the whistle.

Give me a break sr.
Watch the '10 prelim.
He deliberately head butts a Collingwood player's hand - the camera angle catches it perfectly and the ump is NOT offside.

 

[cakewalk06]

He might find Sideys strength to break tackles, but pretty hard to break a tackle when you've thrown yourself backwards and flopped at the tackler.

yeah i don't like the trait either. He looks like he has a few more tricks though. He seems nimble and i think he could be like a Brad Close type for Geelong who just seems a smart player and bobs up in important moments. He certainly needs to put on a few kilos though in the long term

 

[sr36]

Give me a break sr.
Watch the '10 prelim.
He deliberately head butts a Collingwood player's hand - the camera angle catches it perfectly and the ump is NOT offside.

I'm not saying that Selwood doesn't milk frees. But when he is about about to get tackled without prior opportunity, there's 3 options - free kick, ball up or he gets his arms free and dishes off, because he forces the tackle high and tries to get his arms free enough to enable a handball. When someone like John Noble knows he's about to get tackled without prior, there's two possibilities - free kick or ball up, because he holds the ball in and dips his head and whole body at the tackler.

 

[jonmacTrag]

I'm not saying that Selwood doesn't milk frees. But when he is about about to get tackled without prior opportunity, there's 3 options - free kick, ball up or he gets his arms free and dishes off, because he forces the tackle high and tries to get his arms free enough to enable a handball. When someone like John Noble knows he's about to get tackled without prior, there's two possibilities - free kick or ball up, because he holds the ball in and dips his head and whole body at the tackler.

I'm not concerned with the prior opportunity Selwood HUNTS for frees relentlessly - he always has.
I find this incredibly frustrating because he is such a good player but is addicted to the easy option.

 

[sr36]

I'm not concerned with the prior opportunity Selwood HUNTS for frees relentlessly - he always has.
I find this incredibly frustrating because he is such a good player but is addicted to the easy option.

The prior is important, as Noble shouldn't do his trick when he's had prior as it opens up the free against him. When he's had prior, Selwood will stretch out his arms in that case so he's more likely to dish off, which stops his trick from milking as many frees because he can't force the tacklers arm up - he'll still get some frees from dropping low.

 

[jonmacTrag]

The prior is important, as Noble shouldn't do his trick when he's had prior as it opens up the free against him. When he's had prior, Selwood will stretch out his arms in that case so he's more likely to dish off, which stops his trick from milking as many frees because he can't force the tacklers arm up - he'll still get some frees from dropping low.

Yes I know his method sr

Watch that BS free in the '10 prelim - watch him maneuver his head directly and deliberately for his opponents hand - that isn't better method - it's deliberately staging for a free.

And that is the pointer to his attitude that psses me off.

Don't want to discuss it any more it's just too annoying that a true champion caliber player is addicted to poaching cheapies.