Jack Gunston - Hawthorn bound

[DTH43]

I like the way Adelaide have said they won't stand in the way of Ebert from WCE getting to Port Adelaide - his SA club of choice.

How honourable....

But when Jack Gunstan has a club of choice Adelaide supporters dont seem so honourable?

I look forward to seeing Jack in the brown and gold next year.

Surely Adelaide wouldn't stand in the way of a player getting to his club of choice?

I camt stand the Crows but what gives Gunston the right to choose where he plays?

The kid has done nothing in his career at this stage and if he is genuinely home sick then he should just be happy to go to any club in melbourne.

 

[SA HAWK]

I camt stand the Crows but what gives Gunston the right to choose where he plays?

The kid has done nothing in his career at this stage and if he is genuinely home sick then he should just be happy to go to any club in melbourne.

You would think so.

However if he is set on Hawthorn and we are set on him i am sure a trade with Adelaide can be worked out.

 

[DTH43]

You would think so.

However if he is set on Hawthorn and we are set on him i am sure a trade with Adelaide can be worked out.

That is fair enough, just think it is a bit arrogant from a player who might not even make your best 22 every week.

He would have been better just telling his manager to only talk to Hawthorn and keep it quiet, that way Adelaide dont get the shits on and he gets to Hawthorn.

 

[dipper86]

Article found by Furn on the Hawthorn board.

After ripping off Carlton in the trade for Jacobs.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...jacobs-deal-20101011-16f2z.html#ixzz1ZyyV4q00

Adelaide recruiting manager Matt Rendell said the trade situation was skewed because of Gold Coast's extensive draft concessions.

He added the same will apply next year when Greater Western Sydney are involved in the draft.

"Unfortunately for the system this year and next year, everyone is out 10 picks," Rendell said.

"If you have players coming in, you're getting bargains, if you have players going out and nothing coming in, you're in a worse position.

"There were a few instances where the 33 pick made sense - Mumford last year went for 28," Rendell said.

"The 33 really was 23 last year, so it's actually a better deal than Mumford, it was our second-round pick.

So pick 24 is really pick 14 now. So what the Hawthorn supporters have been offering has been fair and reasonable. I guess now that Adelaide is on the receiving end the Jacobs deal doesn't apply now. They want overs. Hypocritical much.

 

[KnobHead]

Who cares why Gunston wants to come back home?

Never understood all this "players owe a club something."

The only reason clubs pick players is to help them win premierships, and they'll dump them when the time comes. The "club gave him a chance" thing is a crap reason for a player to stay with a club.

If Gunston wants to play for Hawthorn good luck to him, Judd did it to West Coast, Jacobs did it to Carlton. No Problem. And have no problem with the Crows trying to get the best deal for themselves, it's a business.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Who determines how genuine a player is?

And why in your mind is he less genuine than anyone else?

Because of the way Gunston has handled the whole thing, that is where the animosity comes from.

Adelaide have a history of trading homesick players to their club of preference and sometimes taking less than what might be market value.

- Kane Johnson wanted to go to Richmond, we traded him to Richmond for a very good deal I might add
- Stenglein wanted to go to Eagles and not Freo so we traded him to Eagles
- Watts wanted to go to St. Kilda we traded him there
- Griffin wanted to go to Freo we traded him there
- Mattner wanted to go to Sydney and we got him there.
- Maric wants to go to Richmond and I am sure we will accommodate those wishes especially considering how much we love Ivan as a person
- Armstrong wants to go to Sydney and he will get there.

You obviously are unaware of why the Adelaide FC is pissed off at Gunston and will not be overly accommodating in all this. They will trade him to the team that offers them the best deal which could very well be Hawks.

When Gunston said he is out, the AFC have told him and his management what their expected compensation is and they should raise that with discussions with other clubs which they have done. Hawks are aware of what is required and would not have given Gunston commitment if they didn't think they could get the deal done.

It certainly won't be for the rubbish that you guys are suggesting on Bigfooty but it will be for good compensation in one form or another. You don't get a good player for a dud. It won't happen that way.

 

[Carrara Koala]

They will trade him to the team that offers them the best deal which could very well be Hawks.

I've now read this numerous times by Adelaide posters who seemed misinformed on the rules of trade week. I think it stems from its recruiting manager talking some face saving on 5aa the other afternoon. Anyway, it's simply not true. According to trading rules, a traded player must sign off (written form) on anything that's faxed to AFL HQ during trading period. Adelaide can't just trade Gunston to whoever it feels like, or whoever offers it the best deal, without the consent of the player, even if it were to GWS for pick 1 (that's an extreme hypothetical). Gunston must sign on the dotted line. If, however, Adelaide is hellbent on not dealing with Hawthorn, because it either despises Hawthorn, despises Gunston, doesn't like the deal, or a combination of all three, it could always let him slide into the draft, ala "Port Power refusing to trade with Collinwood and letting Nick Stevens go to Carlton" style, or do a deal with GWS earlier and get a 'Veal deal'.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

I keep hearing that it's "the way" Gunston has gone about it. What has he done that's got everyone from the supporters up to the Crows hierarchy acting like jealous ex-girlfriends? Genuinely interested, because emotionality in these sort of discussions usually leads to stupid public comments and a deal or non-deal that hurts the club (e.g Ball)

 

[KnobHead]

[/B]I keep hearing that it's "the way" Gunston has gone about it. What has he done that's got everyone from the supporters up to the Crows hierarchy acting like jealous ex-girlfriends? Genuinely interested, because emotionality in these sort of discussions usually leads to stupid public comments and a deal or non-deal that hurts the club (e.g Ball)

^^^

This 100%. Can't stand the other approach, ie. when a player leaves a club its, "what a pr*ck, he owes the club who give him the chance etc," yet when the club retires / delists a player it's, "bad luck, but the club only has so many spots on the list blah blah blah."

should just have footy's big business and clubs shaft players and players shaft clubs

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

I've now read this numerous times by Adelaide posters who seemed misinformed on the rules of trade week. I think it stems from its recruiting manager talking some face saving on 5aa the other afternoon. Anyway, it's simply not true. According to trading rules, a traded player must sign off (written form) on anything that's faxed to AFL HQ during trading period. Adelaide can't just trade Gunston to whoever it feels like, or whoever offers it the best deal, without the consent of the player, even if it were to GWS for pick 1 (that's an extreme hypothetical). Gunston must sign on the dotted line. If, however, Adelaide is hellbent on not dealing with Hawthorn, because it either despises Hawthorn, despises Gunston, doesn't like the deal, or a combination of all three, it could always let him slide into the draft, ala "Port Power refusing to trade with Collinwood and letting Nick Stevens go to Carlton" style, or do a deal with GWS earlier and get a 'Veal deal'.

We all understand that a player MUST consent to the trade however with that said what we are saying and keeps on being MISSED by some Hawk supporters is the following

Yes Gunna has nominated Hawthorn as his preferred club however this runs secondary to his ULTIMATE objective and his first priority which is to return home to Melbourne to his GF and family. With this in mind the AFC have numerous option to grant Gunna his wish to return home however he may have to sacrifice his preferred club to get home if the Hawks don't come to the table with the right trade.

Too many posters are putting Hawthorn as his number one priority in Gunna returning to Melb, the Hawks factor is the nice to have in the equation and if this becomes a road block he will sacrifice his preferred club if it means getting back to Melbourne.

Any talk of Gunna risking the draft is just BF trade talk trash

 

[Stiffy_18]

I keep hearing that it's "the way" Gunston has gone about it. What has he done that's got everyone from the supporters up to the Crows hierarchy acting like jealous ex-girlfriends? Genuinely interested, because emotionality in these sort of discussions usually leads to stupid public comments and a deal or non-deal that hurts the club (e.g Ball)

He started negotiating with the club about a contact extension with the club towards the end of the season. Adelaide made him and offer. His management has come back with a counter offer which Adelaide accepts and were in the process of drawing up the contract which was "ticked off" by both parties.

Jack was coming to the club in what was thought to be a case of putting the pen to paper and making it official, only to tell the club that he has a flight to Melbourne in one and a half hours and will not be coming back. His reasoning that he was homesick and wanted to be traded back to Victoria. This was on the eve of the best and fairest.

So I think Adelaide the club and its supporters have every right to be really pissed off at Jack not so much that he wants out (though we have the right to be disappointed with that) but in the manner that he has strung everyone along and bailing out in the manner that he did.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

^^^

This 100%. Can't stand the other approach, ie. when a player leaves a club its, "what a pr*ck, he owes the club who give him the chance etc," yet when the club retires / delists a player it's, "bad luck, but the club only has so many spots on the list blah blah blah."

should just have footy's big business and clubs shaft players and players shaft clubs

The issue is more the way he left

He and his Manager gave every indication that he was close to signing and then he did a runner, jumped on a flight and didn't even show the respect to attend the B&F

 

[Pariah]

We all understand that a player MUST consent to the trade however with that said what we are saying and keeps on being MISSED by some Hawk supporters is the following

Yes Gunna has nominated Hawthorn as his preferred club however this runs secondary to his ULTIMATE objective and his first priority which is to return home to Melbourne to his GF and family. With this in mind the AFC have numerous option to grant Gunna his wish to return home however he may have to sacrifice his preferred club to get home if the Hawks don't come to the table with the right trade.

Too many posters are putting Hawthorn as his number one priority in Gunna returning to Melb, the Hawks factor is the nice to have in the equation and if this becomes a road block he will sacrifice his preferred club if it means getting back to Melbourne.

Any talk of Gunna risking the draft is just BF trade talk trash

Further more any club that threatens to take a player in the PSD can be charged with tampering with the draft. by the AFL.
Source Peter Rhode.
He mentions it when quizzed on Port doing that with Brad Ebert.
http://www.fiveaa.com.au/audio_peter-rohde-talks-coaches-and-trades-at-port-adelaide_103162

 

[Spook]

I camt stand the Crows but what gives Gunston the right to choose where he plays?

The kid has done nothing in his career at this stage and if he is genuinely home sick then he should just be happy to go to any club in melbourne.

Yes, but why not state where you want to go? Adelaide do not have to go out of there way to get him to Hawthorn, but FFS, if it was a chance make the kid happy... Burn players and the word will get out among players that Adelaide are w***ers so then players will never 'nominate' Adelaide as their preferred club.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

The bottom line is Gunna will get his wish and return home to his family and his GF that has him by the balls and you can be assured of the following:

1. he will end up at the Melb based club that has the strongest trade hand
2. He will not risk the draft

Anything outside of this is just pure crap

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Yes, but why not state where you want to go? Adelaide do not have to go out of there way to get him to Hawthorn, but FFS, if it was a chance make the kid happy... Burn players and the word will get out among players that Adelaide are w***ers so then players will never 'nominate' Adelaide as their preferred club.

Spook do you have any context to the events leading up to Gunna leaving

The AFC have a fantastic record in managing players. Exiting the club however Gunna has done himself no favors in the way he has handled this situation and it may end up being a good lesson to the kid that you never burn bridges as it may come back to you.

There are some very senior officials at the club who have been in footy all their lives and they are gobsmacked by Gunba's behavior and how he has managed his exit

Unfortunately for Gunna he has bought this on himself

 

[Rioli magic]

The bottom line is Gunna will get his wish and return home to his family and his GF that has him by the balls and you can be assured of the following:

1. he will end up at the Melb based club that has the strongest trade hand
2. He will not risk the draft

Anything outside of this is just pure crap

Rubbish. You're saying Adelaide would rather send him to the draft than accept the 2nd best offer, regardless of how good that is.

What if Melbourne and Richmond enter negotiations? Adelaide are not going to accept pick 14 if Gunston wants to go to Richmond, because Melbourne offered pick 12?

 

[DANGERZONE123]

Rubbish. You're saying Adelaide would rather send him to the draft than accept the 2nd best offer, regardless of how good that is.

What if Melbourne and Richmond enter negotiations? Adelaide are not going to accept pick 14 if Gunston wants to go to Richmond, because Melbourne offered pick 12?

You've gone and changed the situation though. We've stated, I believe, that we think Gunston is worth a strong first rounder as compensation. Pick 14, or 12 for that matter, is that correct value of Gunston's worth. Pick 24 and a fringe player is not. Chances are that with that pick 24 is that we'll just get an average player. The mid first rounders from Richmond and Melbourne improve our chances of getting fairly compensated for Gunston's worth.

If both Melbourne and Richmond entered the fray, we'd obviously fight for the better offer, but in this situation, we'd believe Richmond's #14 is enough in terms of "fair compensation" that we believe we are entitled to.

In the current situation, we seem to have pick 24 and a fringe player from Hawthorn, and pick 18 from Kangaroos. We seem to think that pick 18 is strong compensation, Hawthorn's offer is not.

I hope that doesn't seem to forceful, because it was meant to be informative, as that is truly what I believe Adelaide's list management team is thinking.

 

[Rioli magic]

You've gone and changed the situation though.

I didn't change any situation. I was responding to the claim that Gunston will go to the club with the strongest offer, and anything else was crap. This clearly may not be the case, and I was just using an example to show the stupidity of it.

 

[OneEyedHawk]

You've gone and changed the situation though. We've stated, I believe, that we think Gunston is worth a strong first rounder as compensation. Pick 14, or 12 for that matter, is that correct value of Gunston's worth. Pick 24 and a fringe player is not. Chances are that with that pick 24 is that we'll just get an average player. The mid first rounders from Richmond and Melbourne improve our chances of getting fairly compensated for Gunston's worth.

If both Melbourne and Richmond entered the fray, we'd obviously fight for the better offer, but in this situation, we'd believe Richmond's #14 is enough in terms of "fair compensation" that we believe we are entitled to.

In the current situation, we seem to have pick 24 and a fringe player from Hawthorn, and pick 18 from Kangaroos. We seem to think that pick 18 is strong compensation, Hawthorn's offer is not.

I hope that doesn't seem to forceful, because it was meant to be informative, as that is truly what I believe Adelaide's list management team is thinking.

You must've missed the quotes from Mat Rendell, our pick 24 IS pick 14.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...jacobs-deal-20101011-16f2z.html#ixzz1ZyyV4q00

At any rate, if what some posters have thrown up as prospective trades is anywhere near the mark, then I truly hope we give him a pass. Pick 24 or let someone else get bent over.

 

[Carrara Koala]

Thanks, The Sloane Ranger. We never got the news in Brisbane that Gunston's desire of simply returning to Victoria outweighed a desire to head to Hawthorn.

Adelaide are insane if it takes North's alleged pick 18 over the 24 and Fringe rumoured to be offered from Hawthorn. A Hawthorn fringe, like an Ellis or Young et tal, would slot straight into Adelaide's best 18. Couple that with pick 24! Why don't we get these offer at Brisbane!

 

[Leather Poisoning]

The bottom line is Gunna will get his wish and return home to his family and his GF that has him by the balls and you can be assured of the following:

1. he will end up at the Melb based club that has the strongest trade hand
2. He will not risk the draft

Anything outside of this is just pure crap

That's how you want it to be but he'll end up at the club of his choice, whoever that may be.

 

[StringyDog]

Further more any club that threatens to take a player in the PSD can be charged with tampering with the draft. by the AFL.
Source Peter Rhode.
He mentions it when quizzed on Port doing that with Brad Ebert.
http://www.fiveaa.com.au/audio_peter-rohde-talks-coaches-and-trades-at-port-adelaide_103162

You're forgetting that Rhode is the biggest Joke in AFL football that has NFI and him being in a position of power is a big reason for Port's dilemma's. Of course you can take a player in preseason draft instead of trading if player is out of contract, just make a very low offer to club i.e. see Houli last year when Essendon rejected Richmond's low offer so they said oh well we will take him in PSD, which they did.

 

[longdonkey]

A Hawthorn fringe, like an Ellis or Young et tal, would slot straight into Adelaide's best 18.

I always find it quite amusing when people say that a guy who can't get a game at a top club would be in a key player at a club at the bottom.
If this was true you could never get a transformation like West Coast because what you're saying is because you're bottom all your player would stink up any other club.
Chances are your player who doesn't get a game at a top club might move into the bottom 6 who are playing at a low ranked club. Any thought you can take a guy who can't get a game at a top club put them into a low ranked club and he becomes a key player are fairy tales.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

He started negotiating with the club about a contact extension with the club towards the end of the season. Adelaide made him and offer. His management has come back with a counter offer which Adelaide accepts and were in the process of drawing up the contract which was "ticked off" by both parties.

So I think Adelaide the club and its supporters have every right to be really pissed off at Jack not so much that he wants out (though we have the right to be disappointed with that) but in the manner that he has strung everyone along and bailing out in the manner that he did.

That's it?

He didn't sign the contract Adelaide offered? They expected him to and he didn't and now the whole club is acting like he's done the ultimate misdeed?

That's just juvenile. If he broke a contract or something like that I could understand, but this is just a player who has come to a contract review and decided to look elsewhere.