Jack Riewoldt will be the AFL's best KPF in 2012

[Power King]

We have 191cm players playing as KPF's in the league

Plus, whether or not you're a KPF forward isn't based solely on an arbitrary number associated with height, but rather HOW you play the game

He's a KPF.

 

[KoutoufidesGhost]

Well who is older? Eight months might have meant Fev was able to be drafted at a younger age and effectively have had a season more at the same age. Of course, it could work the other way too.

Fev was older. Fev played 2 games for 0 goals in his first season.

Nope. At 21 Fev was well behind Riewoldt. Couldn't get a game in the worst side in the competition.

Don't confuse not getting a game because he had fell out with the coach with not being able to get a game because of form. Fev and Brittain just didn't get along.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Looking the goods is Jack but could still go either way. T.Cloke and Tarrant are a couple of forwards with similar records at the same age who plateaued.

 

[THE_GUN]

J Riewoldt - 57 games, 92 goals.
Fevola @ 57 games, 109 goals.

J Riewoldt is in a purple patch at the moment (20 of his 35 have come in the last 4 weeks), and will become a great player, but let's not get too carried away. Fev is ahead after 57 games, and the gap will only widen.

nice way to get stats to tell the story that you want it to !!
fevola had been in the system 18 months longer than jack when he got to 57 games.........................he was nearly 23 jacks 21

dont know about you but jack reaching 57 games before fev....... he is in front
& when he gets to the age fev was he will have over 150 goals.......... he is in front here again !!

so yes i suppose the gap will get wider & without the fev antics lol

 

[KoutoufidesGhost]

nice way to get stats to tell the story that you want it to !!
fevola had been in the system 18 months longer than jack when he got to 57 games.........................he was nearly 23 jacks 21

dont know about you but jack reaching 57 games before fev....... he is in front
& when he gets to the age fev was he will have nearl 200 goals.......... he is in front here again !!

so yes i suppose the gap will get wider & without the fev antics lol

@ game 57

Fev, 22 5 months
J Riewoldt, 21 8 months

Carlton in Fev's first 3 years - 99 GF, 2000 PF, 2001 SF
Richmond in JR first 3 years - 2007 16th, 2008 9th, 2009 16th

Carlton had much better competition for spots in Fev's first three years, and he had to compete with Lance Whitnall (70 goals in 2000, Fev played 16 games - 27 goals) and Aaron Hamill when he arrived, as well as a coach in 2002 who had lost patience with him and barely played him when he was in the team, and refused to give him a game by the end of 2002.

In 2008, Richo was moved to the wing to give Jack Riewoldt the 50. JR is a good player who is rapidly improving, but he is not a pure goal kicker like Fev. We just can't ignore the fact that these topics weren't around when J Riewoldt had kicked 15 in the first 7 games. Going forward, 50+ a year for the rest of his career would be a great return.

 

[THE_GUN]

@ game 57

Fev, 22 5 months
J Riewoldt, 21 8 months

Carlton in Fev's first 3 years - 99 GF, 2000 PF, 2001 SF
Richmond in JR first 3 years - 2007 16th, 2008 9th, 2009 16th

Carlton had much better competition for spots in Fev's first three years, and he had to compete with Lance Whitnall (70 goals in 2000, Fev played 16 games - 27 goals) and Aaron Hamill when he arrived, as well as a coach in 2002 who had lost patience with him and barely played him when he was in the team, and refused to give him a game by the end of 2002.

In 2008, Richo was moved to the wing to give Jack Riewoldt the 50. JR is a good player who is rapidly improving, but he is not a pure goal kicker like Fev. We just can't ignore the fact that these topics weren't around when J Riewoldt had kicked 15 in the first 7 games. Going forward, 50+ a year for the rest of his career would be a great return.

fev is a pure full foward and thats all , cant & wont ever be played in any other position so will allways kick more goals.
jack will end up playing a similar role to jonno brown i believe, he was 193cm 86kgs when he arrived and is now 195cm 93kgs
he will gain another 5-6 kgs in the next 2-3 years & will become a powerfull marking chf/ff/fp
depending on how astbury/griffiths/post/vickery/gourdis/rance develop
i see alot of johno brown type player when i see jack

 

[Infamy]

@ game 57

Fev, 22 5 months
J Riewoldt, 21 8 months

Carlton in Fev's first 3 years - 99 GF, 2000 PF, 2001 SF
Richmond in JR first 3 years - 2007 16th, 2008 9th, 2009 16th

Carlton had much better competition for spots in Fev's first three years, and he had to compete with Lance Whitnall (70 goals in 2000, Fev played 16 games - 27 goals) and Aaron Hamill when he arrived, as well as a coach in 2002 who had lost patience with him and barely played him when he was in the team, and refused to give him a game by the end of 2002.

In 2008, Richo was moved to the wing to give Jack Riewoldt the 50. JR is a good player who is rapidly improving, but he is not a pure goal kicker like Fev. We just can't ignore the fact that these topics weren't around when J Riewoldt had kicked 15 in the first 7 games. Going forward, 50+ a year for the rest of his career would be a great return.

So Jack isn't a pure goal kicker like Fev, however he's currently 2nd in the Coleman medal race. So if he's not a pure goal kicker then that must mean he has more aspects to his game, that must be a good thing yes?

 

[THE_GUN]

so jack isn't a pure goal kicker like fev, however he's currently 2nd in the coleman medal race. So if he's not a pure goal kicker then that must mean he has more aspects to his game, that must be a good thing yes?

yes .......

 

[KoutoufidesGhost]

So Jack isn't a pure goal kicker like Fev, however he's currently 2nd in the Coleman medal race. So if he's not a pure goal kicker then that must mean he has more aspects to his game, that must be a good thing yes?

Woah there! Riewoldt is second because he has played 1 extra game, plus it's looking like 75 goals will win John this year, so it's not a great year for the goal kickers.

Yes, JR has more aspects to his game - i.e. the ability to take a hanger on the hbf - and yes, this is a good thing. For the record, I don't remember ever saying Riewoldt was a bad player, he is not. However, to expect him to kick more goals than Fev is crazy talk.

Fev - FF
J Riewoldt - CHF/FF hybrid like J Brown, the Other Riewoldt, and the Pav at the moment

 

[Punt_Road_Roar]

I personally think Buddy will be, but Jack is going to be right up there.

Imagine Franklin & JR8 in the same forward line ...... oh wait

 

[amer]

I'd still suggest that Taylor Walker will kick more goals in his career than any other player currently on an AFL list.

 

[LordJimmy]

I'd still suggest that Taylor Walker will kick more goals in his career than any other player currently on an AFL list.

...you can't be... serious?

 

[skybeau]

I'd still suggest that Taylor Walker will kick more goals in his career than any other player currently on an AFL list.

Well, he's currently 575 goals behind Fevola (who I presume is the AFL's leading goal-kicker still playing the game).

So he'd better get his bottom into gear if he's going to match that over a career.

 

[Art Corvelay]

Wrong thread dude.
Pav, Buddy, The better Reiwoldt, Kennedy better keys now and unlikely to be threatened by Jack. He looks very good mind you.

Hahahahaha, no. Just no. Kennedy has improved a lot since moving to the Eagles but if you had the choice of either, I'd be picking J. Riedwoldt at the moment. In very, very good form. Would be scary if he puts on another 5kg or so!

 

[chrisjie]

Yes thats right, I'm calling it. Jack Riewoldt will be the best forward in the game by the end of 2012.

He has shown that in a side lacking any real penetration into the forward half as well as a minimal amount of opportunities coming forward, that he able to take contested marks and marks on the lead with high amounts of pressure placed on him from opposition.

He is able to involve team mates in open play and sacrifice parts of his own game for the benefit of the team.

His only real defficiency is his goalkicking, which is not horrible by any stretch of the imagination. He has kicked more goals at the same age than power forward such as Brown and Fevola.

This season he has kicked 35 goals in 11 matches at 3.2 a game and is the only shining light up forward in a dysmal year so far for the tigers.

If he can maintain his composure and not lose his head in the coming months/years, he will dominate the AFL for the next 10 seasons.

Discuss

I called that he would be a gun player before he was drafted and have supported him every year since he was at the club.

Most people don't know, he is the same height as Nick Reiwoldt. (not the same arm spam though).

Jack has all the intangibles and I saw that from day 1. All the intangibles Fevola wishes he had. Leadership, courage, work ethic etc. etc.

 

[King Of The Hille]

I'd still suggest that Taylor Walker will kick more goals in his career than any other player currently on an AFL list.

GIFSoup

 

[Madtiger2006]

He's not a KPF, he's only playing it because there's nobody else. He's a forward pocket/third tall, or would be at any other club.

Good player, but he won't be the best forward in the league playing for that team.

So why's he kicking bags at FF then?
He's 195cm and 95kg and will get bigger. You think that's not tall enough? lol

 

[TigerTime88]

I called that he would be a gun player before he was drafted and have supported him every year since he was at the club.

Most people don't know, he is the same height as Nick Reiwoldt. (not the same arm spam though).

Jack has all the intangibles and I saw that from day 1. All the intangibles Fevola wishes he had. Leadership, courage, work ethic etc. etc.

Errr wrong....he was when he arrived at the club at 193cm. Now he is 195cm and 2 cm taller....

CHEERS!

 

[master bate]

Footywire and Richmond list him as 193cm 87kg. I'm considerably more inclined to take their word for it.

He doesn't have the physique or body type to be a KPF, he's in the "other" category that is considered a third tall, though is often forced to play FF for various reasons - guys like Brett Burton and Russell Robertson.

Richmond assistant coach described him as initially in line for a third tall position but with his strength and added size they now have him earmarked to be one of 2 KPF's along with either Griffiths or Astbury.

He could probably play as a third target but forward lines are getting shorter and more mobile so I predict he will be one of only 2 tall KPF's that play most weeks if Richmond achieve a settle lineup (which they should over the next couple of years).

 

[coke_zero]

Richmond assistant coach described him as initially in line for a third tall position but with his strength and added size they now have him earmarked to be one of 2 KPF's along with either Griffiths or Astbury.

He could probably play as a third target but forward lines are getting shorter and more mobile so I predict he will be one of only 2 tall KPF's that play most weeks if Richmond achieve a settle lineup (which they should over the next couple of years).

No reason why we cant have 3 KPF. Astbury can lead up the ground. and then one of Griffiths or Riewoldt make a stong lead looking for the kick while the other stays long for the bomb if the right option.

 

[thecotch]

He's not a KPF, he's only playing it because there's nobody else. He's a forward pocket/third tall, or would be at any other club.

Good player, but he won't be the best forward in the league playing for that team.

2cms taller than cousin nick. So is nick not a kpf?

 

[lewigie]

He's not big enough.

Good luck to him though, and good on him for kicking something like, 43% of Richmond's total scores. That's amazing.

 

[Barnzy]

He's not big enough.

He's not big enough for ruck? Yeah, I agree.

Wouldn't swap him for Josh Kennedy.

 

[Heisenberg_]

He's not big enough.

Oh FFS

Will people please watch the games, or at least read the thread before making statements such as these which are wrong and have been pointed out numerous times.
Get a clue for gods sake.

 

[Southside]

He's not big enough.

Good luck to him though, and good on him for kicking something like, 43% of Richmond's total scores. That's amazing.

How big does he need to be?