Jack Riewoldt will be the AFL's best KPF in 2012

[Dr Awkward]

Sorry but that's complete BS. Fev's best was easily better than anything Jack has produced - when Jack kicked 7 in a half to drag his team over the line come back to me.

To say Jack is as good on the lead as Fev is ludicrous. Definitely better in a one on one but Fev was the best lead in his time (alongside Lloyd).

As I said, Jack is yet to match Fev's freaky goals at ground level.


Not questioning that Jack could be - and will probably be, the better player. But Fev's 08 and 09 eclipse his best season to date. As they should have, given the age discrepancy.

He actually already has kicked 7 in a half in a match that we won. And he has also kicked a lot of flukey goals at ground level (check out the game against Port in the wet last year).

Obviously right now he is not as good a player as Fev because he hasn't been doing it for long enough. But if he kept doing this for about another 2 or 3 years it would be safe to say he is at least equal to Feva and will probably end up better.

One of the main differences between them: Fevola relied on good delivery, just like Lloyd, he was mostly a lead up target. Riewoldt actually takes grabs and kicks goals from really shitty delivery. He is an amazingly good contested mark and is deceptively tall and strong.

 

[Rimmer]

I believe he is a cm or so taller than cousin Nick, also perhaps a better contested mark as he takes them flying over packs and by body positioning on his chest. A lot like Johnathon Brown and Wayne Carey.

Glad he signed up again last year, imagine what GWS could have done with him, like Locket in Sydney they could have built a cult following around Jack. Would have been a better get than G. Ablett.

 

[Rev08]

He has a long, long way to go before he is named in the same sentence as guys like Brown, N.Riewoldt etc.

In fact, he is not even in the same sentence yet as Fev and Buddy. He has played one good (very good) season plus a good game against Carlton's 3rd and 4th best defenders (their 1st and 2nd aren't very good as it is).

So when he has done it 3 or 4 years in a row, then we will talk about elevating him to Fev and Buddy status. When he has done it for 7 or 8 years we will talk about N.Roo and Brown status.

Cool your jets Tigers fans.

 

[Grin]

He has a long, long way to go before he is named in the same sentence as guys like Brown, N.Riewoldt etc.

In fact, he is not even in the same sentence yet as Fev and Buddy. He has played one good (very good) season plus a good game against Carlton's 3rd and 4th best defenders (their 1st and 2nd aren't very good as it is).

So when he has done it 3 or 4 years in a row, then we will talk about elevating him to Fev and Buddy status. When he has done it for 7 or 8 years we will talk about N.Roo and Brown status.

Cool your jets Tigers fans.

If you'd bothered to have read the thread, I think you'd have found that Jack was named in the same sentence as all the players you mention.

How many time has Buddy won the coleman?

 

[Rev08]

If you'd bothered to have read the thread, I think you'd have found that Jack was named in the same sentence as all the players you mention.

How many time has Buddy won the coleman?

Yes, I've noticed he has been named in the same sentence. And I'm telling you he shouldn't be. He has had ONE good season.

Buddy and Fev were and have been consistently near the top of the goal kicking table each year for 4 or 5 years. Buddy's past 4 seasons have been 70 goals, 100 goals, 60 goals, 70 goals. Riewoldt has had one good season where he kicked 78 goals - he is not even close to Buddy. Let alone N.Roo and Brown.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

How many time has Buddy won the coleman?

Once, like Jack. Though last year during the H&A season he averaged more goals per game than Jack ( albeit slightly ) playing much further up the ground. If Buddy had of played the full amount of games, it would have been a thrilling Coleman medal race.

On topic. Full credit to Jack. He is extraordinarily efficient in front of goals and makes the most of every opportunity he earns. I would like to see him play up the ground a bit more ala Buddy/Nick Riewoldt and start getting 17 touches a game instead of 11 or 12. I don't think his goals per game would be effected too much if he did this, as being more unpredictable he would be harder to match up on.

It's going to be interesting to watch his development and see where Hardwick does play him.

For those saying he had a "Mark Williams" type year, I think he is a better player than Mark Williams ever was quite comfortably. Still a little way to go until he is as good as Buddy/Nick/Brown, but he is well on the way. If he keeps up his current form and if he does add a few more strings to his bow, then he will be in that company sooner rather than later.

 

[Grin]

On topic. Full credit to Jack. He is extraordinarily efficient in front of goals and makes the most of every opportunity he earns. I would like to see him play up the ground a bit more ala Buddy/Nick Riewoldt and start getting 17 touches a game instead of 11 or 12. I don't think his goals per game would be effected too much if he did this, as being more unpredictable he would be harder to match up on.

It's going to be interesting to watch his development and see where Hardwick does play him.

For those saying he had a "Mark Williams" type year, I think he is a better player than Mark Williams ever was quite comfortably. Still a little way to go until he is as good as Buddy/Nick/Brown, but he is well on the way. If he keeps up his current form and if he does add a few more strings to his bow, then he will be in that company sooner rather than later.

Agree with this

I don't think it unreasonable to compare him with Buddy et.al. at a similar stage of their careers

Of course we can't predict the future but your last sentence stands as reasonable in MHO.

 

[Bazzar]

Jacks first 3 years compared favourably to Buddies first 3 except buddy had a higher goal kicking average, and that was no surprise as Jack suffered from the “kick it to Richo” philosophy. He was basically regarded as our third tall and was more of a bit player trying his hardest.

Last year was Jacks 4th season, and first year as our number one forward without Richo in the team, and it was also his breakout year. Buddy also had his breakout year in his fourth, and had a far superior one. One of the all time great years. The one difference was Buddy had his with a Premiership team and Jacks team just avoided the wooden spoon.

As a Richmond supporter i know we are in for a long year, but its also going to be a fantastic year following Jacks progress.

 

[placebo]

Reiwoldt then Dawes.

lol, no.

 

[tigerfan12]

lol, no.

 

[smasha]

Jacks first 3 years compared favourably to Buddies first 3 except buddy had a higher goal kicking average, and that was no surprise as Jack suffered from the “kick it to Richo” philosophy. He was basically regarded as our third tall and was more of a bit player trying his hardest.

Last year was Jacks 4th season, and first year as our number one forward without Richo in the team, and it was also his breakout year. Buddy also had his breakout year in his fourth, and had a far superior one. One of the all time great years. The one difference was Buddy had his with a Premiership team and Jacks team just avoided the wooden spoon.

As a Richmond supporter i know we are in for a long year, but its also going to be a fantastic year following Jacks progress.

Good point.
Same with Lloyd.
Both players have/had silver service while players like Richo and Jack had/have to create their own luck.

Richo and Jack have another great trait and that's the love of the Richmond Football Club.

 

[Hens Hall]

Jacks first 3 years compared favourably to Buddies first 3 except buddy had a higher goal kicking average, and that was no surprise as Jack suffered from the “kick it to Richo” philosophy. He was basically regarded as our third tall and was more of a bit player trying his hardest.

Last year was Jacks 4th season, and first year as our number one forward without Richo in the team, and it was also his breakout year. Buddy also had his breakout year in his fourth, and had a far superior one. One of the all time great years. The one difference was Buddy had his with a Premiership team and Jacks team just avoided the wooden spoon.

As a Richmond supporter i know we are in for a long year, but its also going to be a fantastic year following Jacks progress.

Baz, I'd say Buddy had his break out year in 07 which was his third year when he kicked 70 odd goals.

In saying that, Jacks progression from 09 to 10 was similar to Buddy's 06 to 07. (30 odd goals to 70 odd).

Bet your hoping for a similar progression for this year

 

[Bazzar]

Baz, I'd say Buddy had his break out year in 07 which was his third year when he kicked 70 odd goals.

In saying that, Jacks progression from 09 to 10 was similar to Buddy's 06 to 07. (30 odd goals to 70 odd).

Bet your hoping for a similar progression for this year

Good point as Buddy averaged 3.3 goals to Jacks (2009 his third year) 1.6 goals. If you look at the basic stats for those respective years, apart from the goals, are pretty even. Both stepped it up big time the following year, with Buddy stepping it up in a massive way. Some how i doubt Buddy will ever replicate that, and i doubt Jack will ever have such a year also.

Jack `09 - Buddy `07
20 Games 22
12.9 Disposals 13.3
6.4 Mark 5.6
2.4 Tackles 2.2

 

[Rev08]

Good point.
Same with Lloyd.
Both players have/had silver service while players like Richo and Jack had/have to create their own luck.

Richo and Jack have another great trait and that's the love of the Richmond Football Club.

You can also say though that Buddy had Roughead next to him taking some of opportunities away from. Whereas Richmond always go to Riewoldt.

As for the last comment, I'm not quite sure whether this is related to Lloyd/Buddy in anyway? I'm pretty sure Lloyd was passionate about the Dons, and Buddy the same for HFC...

 

[juss]

I think on current form Jack would be the best, or one of the best KPFs in the league. Overall though he still has a long way to go to match guys like N Riewoldt, Franklin, J Brown etc. It's a big challenge, we'l see how he's playing in a couple of years.

Of the players listed though, he is the best mark, can do some pretty amazing things in the air.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVXCVaDvd30&feature=related

And while he might not be the best player, he is certainly one of the most exciting, an absolute joy to watch and will be for the next ten years.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Good point as Buddy averaged 3.3 goals to Jacks (2009 his third year) 1.6 goals. If you look at the basic stats for those respective years, apart from the goals, are pretty even. Both stepped it up big time the following year, with Buddy stepping it up in a massive way. Some how i doubt Buddy will ever replicate that, and i doubt Jack will ever have such a year also.

Jack `09 - Buddy `07
20 Games 22
12.9 Disposals 13.3
6.4 Mark 5.6
2.4 Tackles 2.2

buddy 07' = jack 10'

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Well, hes made a believer out of me

 

[Underarm]

You can also say though that Buddy had Roughead next to him taking some of opportunities away from. Whereas Richmond always go to Riewoldt.

As for the last comment, I'm not quite sure whether this is related to Lloyd/Buddy in anyway? I'm pretty sure Lloyd was passionate about the Dons, and Buddy the same for HFC...

and i reckon if we had another forward ala Roughead we might actually win a few games this year.

Jack is a gun, no doubt about it, but the other 5 forwards need to step up, and our Midfielders need to give them that opportunity. its why Collingwood are the best in the leauge-they arent focused on one forward.

 

[nathan t]

Riewoldt-2010 = Hurley-2011,
A man can dream

 

[Hipster Doofus]

Riewoldt-2010 = Hurley-2011,
A man can dream

Nah, i reckon Taylor Walker will explode this year, him and Tippett look a deadly combo

 

[Vampire013]

Chris Dawes will surprise everyone.

 

[frednirk]

I think jack riewoldt tis the best key position player in the league now.

This guy ripped stkilda To pieces last year, fully expect him to do the same this friday.

An amazing natural talent.

To think we drafted a shit hack like armitage over jack riewoldt. So sad..

 

[tigers71]

I think jack riewoldt tis the best key position player in the league now.

This guy ripped stkilda To pieces last year, fully expect him to do the same this friday.

An amazing natural talent.

To think we drafted a shit hack like armitage over jack riewoldt. So sad..

Chin up, we have had our share of hacks Fiora and Tambling come to mind

 

[Underarm]

Fiora and Tambling head a very long list. we only have 1 player who played in our 2003 victory over the saints(newman).


And to be fair to Stkilda, they had Captain Crybaby, Kosi, and Gehrig(maybe) they didnt need another tall forward so he wouldnt have entered their mind. and how would they have been able to predict that he would be better than his cousin

 

[sunshine_saint]

hardly a big call. he won the coleman in 2010 .

yeah hes really good. no two ways about it.

put simply if the saints had drafted him when we had the chance wed have 2 flags in the last 2 years.

JR can really play.