Jack Riewoldt will be the AFL's best KPF in 2012

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have to disagree with the highlighted section. imo yes he was up against inexperience players but he also was up against a better zone and still did ok. plus he kicked 6 goals out 37 i50's and you must remember he still did ok against the better fb's last year. jack is nothing like fev, fev was a great fwd on the lead, average to good contested mark, good in general play. i think
jack is very good on the lead, excellent contested mark and very good in general play. to say fev has more x factor is poppy ****. didnt see fev take too many speccies on multiple opponents that i can remember. finally i would still take jack kicking for goal not sure of the stats but from mid year last year i think jacks goal strike rate would be about 80%
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Thought it was pretty obvious that I meant he had more X-factor when the ball was on the ground. Which he did. Riewoldt very good in this regard but Fev was a freak.

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Riewoldt a better contested mark and applies better defensive pressure. Fevola a better lead and more capable of the freakish goal at ground level.

Fev took over the mantle of best full forward from Lloyd. Riewoldt looks to have taken it from Fev. Kick for goal - both excellent set shots. Riewoldt from within 40m as Fev sometimes missed the easy ones. From around the arcs, Fevola.
 

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blues4flag said:
Thought it was pretty obvious that I meant he had more X-factor when the ball was on the ground. Which he did. Riewoldt very good in this regard but Fev was a freak.

Riewoldt a better contested mark and applies better defensive pressure. Fevola a better lead and more capable of the freakish goal at ground level.

Fev took over the mantle of best full forward from Lloyd. Riewoldt looks to have taken it from Fev. Kick for goal - both excellent set shots. Riewoldt from within 40m as Fev sometimes missed the easy ones. From around the arcs, Fevola.
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FEV is a ****ing lier, i see straight through him. He has ruined himself. everyone has an option and he chose to be a w***er... Riewoldt wears his heart on his sleeve and knows whats best for the club. that is what makes these two different. So comparing them two is like comparing bullshit to gold.
 
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And what part is crap? Am I to take it that Riewoldt was better than the dual Coleman Medallist and 3 time AA in every aspect of his game?
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pretty much, yea

He has Fev covered in all aspects, especially overhead marking, and overall kicking for goal. Fev could lead and mark and thats it, Jack can do that as well as Fev but can also take a genuine speccy. When you add his better temparement, Fev is a far inferior player, even at his best, and Jack hasnt even reached his best yet.
 
nikolasmia said:
pretty much, yea

He has Fev covered in all aspects, especially overhead marking, and overall kicking for goal. Fev could lead and mark and thats it, Jack can do that as well as Fev but can also take a genuine speccy. When you add his better temparement, Fev is a far inferior player, even at his best, and Jack hasnt even reached his best yet.
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Sorry but that's complete BS. Fev's best was easily better than anything Jack has produced - when Jack kicked 7 in a half to drag his team over the line come back to me.

To say Jack is as good on the lead as Fev is ludicrous. Definitely better in a one on one but Fev was the best lead in his time (alongside Lloyd).

As I said, Jack is yet to match Fev's freaky goals at ground level.


Not questioning that Jack could be - and will probably be, the better player. But Fev's 08 and 09 eclipse his best season to date. As they should have, given the age discrepancy.
 
blues4flag said:
Sorry but that's complete BS. Fev's best was easily better than anything Jack has produced - when Jack kicked 7 in a half to drag his team over the line come back to me.

To say Jack is as good on the lead as Fev is ludicrous. Definitely better in a one on one but Fev was the best lead in his time (alongside Lloyd).

As I said, Jack is yet to match Fev's freaky goals at ground level.


Not questioning that Jack could be - and will probably be, the better player. But Fev's 08 and 09 eclipse his best season to date. As they should have, given the age discrepancy.
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This is a fair post and Im inclined to agree with it. Riewoldt has been a good player for around a year or so whereas Fev was a superstar in numerous years, 06,08,09 to name a few, beginning of 10 showing that he could match the with the very best in the game.

You'd have to give Jack a couple of seasons before he'd be expected to come up with some of the magic Fevola has I mean lets remember its only Jacks 5th season coming up.

Id have him for purely goalkicking, over any other forward in the league.
 
Fev's game relied on delivery a bit. He was a lead and mark player and had great pace. That was his strength. Didn't take much contested marks, In fact I'd say he was poor in that area. Riewoldt is a more rounded player. As you saw on the weekend he didn't need many I50's or good delivery, he just creates goals. Good work ethic and defensive pressure. I think this style would be more suited to finals when the pressure goes up and it's tight/congested. We just have to get there first. :eek:
 

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Hard to really compare players like Buudy and N. Riewoldt with Jack. Buddy and Nick now play in the CHF position and roam the ground which often means they are kicking for goal from much further out. The reason for this is because they are extremely athletic, quick and often the lead up role. Neither are terrific contested marks but Nick has a excellent leap.

Jack on the other hand is a FF and usually plays in the F50 far more than the other two. Jack is a superior contested mark and kick for goal but lacks the pace and athletism to the other two.

In my biased view a goal kicker is more important than a link up player but this is not so much Buddy or N. Riewoldts fault as the role their coach has asked them to play. Both certainly get the yips infront of goal though especially Nick with his head down style.

We'll see how Jack really compares at seasons end and into the future.
 
Jack took some incredible marks on the weekend, I was stumped at how well he read the ball.

Those who compare him to Nick or Buddy are highly idiotic. They play different roles, they are different players. You wouldn't compare Nick Dal Santo to Eddie Betts would you?

Jack is the best contested mark in the league right about now, also has one of the best shots for goal too.
 
If the AFL succeeds in winding back the clock to a point where it's more man on man in the latter part of the match, then Jack will just get better.

One of the better contested marks and reads the flight like no other.
 
I'm telling you now you can see whether someone is going to be great and Riewoldt is. He is going to be right up there with Carey and the greats just you all wait and see. I'm putting it out there now.
 
SleepingGiant said:
I'm telling you now you can see whether someone is going to be great and Riewoldt is. He is going to be right up there with Carey and the greats just you all wait and see. I'm putting it out there now.
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As I said earlier, Robert Walls last night showed some old black and white footage of Peter Hudson and compared Jack as being very similar. Going by the limited footage he sure was.
 
Since Round 7 last year, Riewoldt's kicked 71.25 at an accuracy of almost 74%.

Most accurate non-overlapping 17-game streaks of the past 25 years (min 50 goals):

Code: 
Player             Game #'s   G  B Acc %
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Lloyd, Matthew      236 252  52. 9 85.25
Lynch, Alastair     211 227  55.12 82.09
Pavlich, Matthew    120 136  63.16 79.75
Lockett, Tony       155 171  97.26 78.86
Lloyd, Matthew      148 164  78.21 78.79
Gehrig, Fraser      175 191  76.21 78.35
Lockett, Tony       240 256  94.26 78.33
Lloyd, Matthew      198 214  61.17 78.21
Heatley, Jason       19  35  53.15 77.94
Lloyd, Matthew      117 133  82.24 77.36
Beasley, Simon      119 135  68.21 76.40
Hall, Barry         168 184  58.18 76.32
Bradshaw, Daniel    187 203  61.19 76.25
Kernahan, Stephen    45  61  51.16 76.12
Motlop, Daniel       82  98  51.16 76.12
Cummings, Scott      93 109  70.22 76.09
Longmire, John       94 110  59.19 75.64
Richardson, Matthew  35  51  59.19 75.64
Neitz, David         76  92  62.20 75.61
Neitz, David        268 284  58.19 75.32
Dunstall, Jason     252 268  64.21 75.29
del-Re, Danny        20  36  51.17 75.00
Dunstall, Jason     228 244  78.26 75.00
Lockett, Tony       104 120 111.37 75.00
Lynch, Alastair     250 266  54.18 75.00
Riewoldt, Nick       60  76  54.18 75.00
Matera, Phillip     112 128  59.20 74.68
Jarman, Darren      177 193  53.18 74.65
Daicos, Peter       207 223  64.22 74.42
Rocca, Saverio       51  67  78.27 74.29
Hall, Barry          79  95  57.20 74.03
Lloyd, Matthew       53  69  74.26 74.00
Modra, Tony          77  93  74.26 74.00
Salmon, Paul        144 160  54.19 73.97
Riewoldt, Jack       53  69  71.25 73.96

Interesting that noted wayward kicks in Richardson and N.Riewoldt feature early in their careers. Accuracy can be fleeting.

Others such as Heatley, Cummings and del-Re (and Motlop?) faded quickly after their sequences. Nothing is set in stone.
 
Yeah Richo was always good kick early on. I'm not sure if it's because he did his knee or just getting old?
 

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