Upon further inspection and in a perfect world, I would probably change the 2nd we give up to a third, because Kelly is worth far more than Hill and a 10 pick downgrade. That's really just semantics though, as Hill is contracted, so it does up the value a bit.
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Traded Jack Steven [traded to Geelong for #58]
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Upon further inspection and in a perfect world, I would probably change the 2nd we give up to a third, because Kelly is worth far more than Hill and a 10 pick downgrade. That's really just semantics though, as Hill is contracted, so it does up the value a bit.
No you don't but you also have the issue that he will walk at the end of next year for a compensation pick which is out of your control, as well as the fact that do the saints really wanna play hard ball with a guy whose been a champion of your club but is a lot closer to the end then he is the start of his career and who is clearly struggling on a personal level. To be honest I don't care either way and aren't trying to get a bargain for my own club (mainly because I have 0 inout into Geelongs list management) but I just think this is the way these things are starting to head these days. If I were a St.Kilda supporter I wouldn't want to be clinging to hope of a late 1st, 2nd or even a 3rd rounder for an ageing guy whose best attribute is he's running going to a team that is deep in his best position is all Im saying.
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To be fair, the cats have asked about him multiple times since 2015 including last year at a time when his value was sky high. It's only now his playing future is questionable that he's on the table at all.
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Hang in its well known he surfs with danger and Dalhause
You don't think he's in his ear
You don't relinquish he's been pressured
That's enough to give you mental issues
After a long periods at one place it's only natural
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Lol no
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Jack definitely doesn't have 3-4 years ahead of him. When he signed his last contract it he said:
"This effectively makes me a Saint for life, which I am thrilled about,”
That contract ends in about 25 games which was considered effectively the end of his career in his own opinion. Other inside mids who played on longer usually had to change roles to do it.
I see this as a very difficult trade to get done. There's a huge emotional attachment the fans have to Jack that won't be reflected in his trade value, so how do the cats get him in a way that's respectful? I don't see this being pretty.
Value? It'll have to be hidden behind so many pick swaps that it gives the media talking points like the Gary Ablett trade where everyone can objectively say that the cats gave up x pick for him without the context that enough went back that it was actually minimal in reality. Effective value around the cats current second I'd guess.
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While not getting home to family may be a factor in him not paying games I'd be hesitant to say it'd be a strategy. It seems as likely to turn a future employer off as anything
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You seem to have imagined the part where he said "I am going to retire after this contract."
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The Beams trade would have been a good comparison a year ago at 28 years old and no questions over whether he decides to hang up the boots. Now it seems less valid
Don’t know why people keep banging on about the Beams / Gibbs trades as equivalent comparisons.
Surely the fact Collingwood and Adelaide have been burnt by these trades make it less likely for something similar to be offered for Steven - not more so.
Surely the fact Collingwood and Adelaide have been burnt by these trades make it less likely for something similar to be offered for Steven - not more so.
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Maybe, but I didn't imagine the part where he implied that the end of this contract was close enough to retirement that it was effectively the end of his trade capital.
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Hate the phrase but the optics don't look that great for Geelong here. Team with a stacked midfield reported to be attempting to lure contracted star player with personal troubles from struggling team. Not that that's necessarily the truth, but it could be pretty easily framed that way if the media didn't seem to be pretty Geelong friendly.
If Jack does want to go though, I hope that we don't stand in his way. Been a real servant and being close to family might be what he needs.
If Jack does want to go though, I hope that we don't stand in his way. Been a real servant and being close to family might be what he needs.
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Geelong gave us 21 for STANLEY ffs. Equivalent to a top 5 pick for Steven 
Also, Geelong are chasing him for the SECOND year in a row. Must really want him, which inflates his price somewhat.
Also, Geelong are chasing him for the SECOND year in a row. Must really want him, which inflates his price somewhat.
And you used that pick on Hugh Goddard... That really worked out well for youGeelong gave us 21 for STANLEY ffs. Equivalent to a top 5 pick for Steven
Also, Geelong are chasing him for the SECOND year in a row. Must really want him, which inflates his price somewhat.
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I just hope he gets right, stays and returns to his best. At his best he is a match winner which we lack. He is worth far more to us than what any trade will deliver. Even so anything less than a second is laughable. If he does move, hope he returns next week and finishes the season to his potential. That will change the trade landscape considerably
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To me Steven is worth what Hannebery was. Late R2.
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Geelong gave us 21 for STANLEY ffs. Equivalent to a top 5 pick for Steven
Also, Geelong are chasing him for the SECOND year in a row. Must really want him, which inflates his price somewhat.
Steven is 30 has been out for the year and has no other clubs chasing him. He's not worth what you think.
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Lol chill out, you don’t actually think I think he’s worth a top 5 pick, do you?
2nd round pick would suffice I think depending on how low Geelongs 2nd is
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Geelong will play fair most likely a late 2nd rd and maybe upgrade a 4th rd to a 3rd rd for the saints....
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You can have Buzza and Zac Guthrie instead....
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Agree the optics don't look outstanding but I think the cats would have paid a much higher value last year when they were told he's not up for trade. Now his playing future is in doubt he's suddenly on the table? Optics look bad for all involved not just the cats
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Its hard to say what optics are good or bad these days .. I agree the media can paint it anyway they want to ..but they are hardly what id say consistent. I doubt very much we get anything positive said by CWilson for eg. Id say the optics could look a little worse if we were for example going after a Gold Coast or GWS mid or a FA like Lynch but those things have been done by other clubs recently ..mostly have not been slammed for the move ..and clubs have been praised rather than villfied for attacking bottom sides. The off fied issues probably mean the media will tread carefully anyway.
And while we maybe a pretty good midfield atm , id say like a lot of geelong supporters , id much prefer to see us drafting some kids as I and other feel that the clock is ticking on some of the older players. Adding a 30 year old is not really a refresh move. If I were going to trade a R1 pick for eg. id rather talk a younger player , say a 21 , 22 year old... not that we the supporters have a choice.
Its unfortunate that he is not FA this year.. i think that would have been close to the ideal outcome for all. The AFL would probably have found a way to get a R1 comp for Stk ..while Geelong would take on a mature player with a certain amount of risk..while not costing them the chance to get a younger player on the list.
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No i dont think anyone does (on the first bit).
On the second yeah a pick in the 30s or thereabouts is about what i would consider fair for both parties.
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Not sure where St Kilda has said he is on the table.
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Havent said he is but the question is would St Kilda hold him for less than a R1 as i cant see anyone trading a R1 for him.
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