No Oppo Supporters Jack Watts - Traded to PA for pick 31, Thanks Jack

Jack Watts?


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I'm not going to burn Simon Goodwin in effigy on Brunton Avenue until we're kicking 4.8.32 every week next year because Hogan's injured, Pedersen's a 31-year-old journeyman who can't consistently deliver and Tom McSizzle has lost the element of surprise BUT what shits me about this whole debate is the way that people are happy to throw him in the bin just because he's never going to become a superstar of the comp.

Forget what happened years ago (except for how his pissweak teammates forget to punch on in his defence on debut), 150 games later it doesn't matter that we picked him #1 or #45 he filled a role, and every team needs role players. Richmond and the Bulldogs had about 15, and if you're confident that Oliver, Petracca, Hogan, Lever are heading for the stars then what's the point of getting through all the difficult years then folding the moment things start to turn in our favour?

I understand the case for trading him, and am determined to wait and see what happens with the pick and then with the forward line in general next year but gut feeling is that this is either a ****-up or something dodgy has gone on behind the scenes. I don't know if I'd be any happier if were for pick 20 or 25, even if it's effectively the same group of players to pick from, but there's a psychological barrier about the 30s that makes it feel like an extra ounce of piss has been extracted.

So he's not a Hell's Angel who would kill your grandmother to get to a hard ball, but he had enough positive attributes to outweigh cashing out for pick 31 and starting again with some random. Was a fair lead on the rare occasion where a midfielder would kick to the advantage of our forwards instead of panic roosting it to the square, and always a handy player to drop back into defence late in quarters where he could be relied on to take a mark AND not flub the kick. Who does that now? I'm probably McDonald Sr's biggest fan, but I don't particularly fancy him having to float back in the last minute of a tight game to take a mark and have to hit a target.

There is suggestion that salary cap pressure contributed but a) who's the dickhead who got us into that position after 11 years without finals and not one genuine, fully developed superstar on the list, and b) funny how that only came out after people had been cracking the shits for a few days, and after it had already been suggested that he could stay if he wanted to. So what would have happened if he had decided to stay? Pretty high risk signing Lever to big money without having a contracted player officially off the books.

I'm glum, but at the same time good luck to him for escaping and hope he does well.
 
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Maybe its a matter of taking the best we could get from Port in order to facilitate a move to the club of his choice (well, second club ... given he didn't originally want to move and all) rather than dick him around? I think it would have been pretty shit to tell him we would like him to consider being traded, get him to spend the past few weeks talking to other clubs and mentally preparing to move interstate and all, then turn around once he has settled on Port and say 'nup mate, we couldn't get enough value so you're staying put'.
 
So he's not a Hell's Angel who would kill your grandmother to get to a hard ball, but he had enough positive attributes to outweigh cashing out for pick 31 and starting again with some random. Was a fair lead on the rare occasion where a midfielder would kick to the advantage of our forwards instead of panic roosting it to the square, and always a handy player to drop back into defence late in quarters where he could be relied on to take a mark AND not flub the kick. Who does that now? I'm probably McDonald Sr's biggest fan, but I don't particularly fancy him having to float back in the last minute of a tight game to take a mark and have to hit a target.

No-one with a brain actually uses the hard ball thing as a reason though. You get some twit supporters of ours who go berserk because he wouldn't kill himself like Viney would to win the ball, but this is more about setting standards off-field I think. If Watts puts in minimum effort on the track and every few weeks on gameday then we can't turn around and demand elite standards from our kids because we're making two sets of rules for Jack.
 

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At Geelong?

Can't see how that's the case - we've just lost Motlop (600k), Mackie and Lonergan (approx 300k each) and we were also paying Bartel in this year's cap (approx 300k). We also look like losing Lang (250k?), possibly as part of the Ablett deal.

Reportedly Ablett will be on 500k or less.

All semantics now anyway, innit.

Anyway, commiserations on losing Jack. I've long been a fan hence why I've been so keen to get him at the Cats.
It's not about what Ablett will be on ... but what he was on, and the fact that GC have already paid him a large portion of it, and expect Geelong to remunerate them for it.

I dunno, just seems odd that a team who could definitely use him, and who've very clearly made instant success their priority at the expense of future impact wouldn't get that deal done unless for some extenuating circumstances.

I still think the hold up on his decision was all down to him preferring to stay in Victoria.
 
I wonder if it’s about culture - weather he supplied gear is not the point - but the whole mental fragility thing. Most of our players who lived through the Neeld years are not mentally equipped to perform and certainly not show leadership so I’m all for it. And yes I’m aware that includes tmac, Viney, Gawn, Jetta, Jones, Hogan, Pedo, and probably a few others still

You know what you gotta do now Simon, burn them, burn them all*

Except Viney Jetta and pedo

Let me know who I forgot - it’s players for a penny this off season

I’ll name a low low price
 
We are weaker in his absence. Pick 31 could prove to be a dud. That being said, JW only has himself to blame. I will always regard him as a Demon.

What a cluster-fornication by all concerned.
 

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Feeling pretty down about this. Like others said, he was never gonna become the elite superstar we all hoped he would, but when he is 'on' he is as precise a disposer of the ball as anyone. Can only assume there were some off-field issues that contributed to this decision. All the best to you, Jack. Maybe we'll play some finals for you ;)

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It is good that he had his moment of atonement against Collingwood, which each of us will remember. That was him at his best. Although we did not win, I will always remember that goal he kicked from 50m against Richmond this year and now he tried to rouse his team-mates
 
I don't think anyone else at our club could've kicked the sealer against the Pies on QB.

Sad to see him go, we're a lot worse off without the role he can play when he's on, can only wish him the best of luck.
 
The gaping hole in our age profile gets worse. It's Lewis 2004, Jones 2005, Jetta and Garlett and 2008, Gawn and Melksham 2009, Hibberd (mature age) and T McDonald 2010, Tyson 2011, and Viney 2012, and then everyone else from our best 22 was drafted 2013 onward. Imagine where we'd be if we hadn't gained Lewis, Melksham, and Hibberd this year. 7 players from an 8 year span. They must really be putting a lot of stock in the 2013-2017 group peaking together under Viney.
 
No-one with a brain actually uses the hard ball thing as a reason though. You get some twit supporters of ours who go berserk because he wouldn't kill himself like Viney would to win the ball, but this is more about setting standards off-field I think. If Watts puts in minimum effort on the track and every few weeks on gameday then we can't turn around and demand elite standards from our kids because we're making two sets of rules for Jack.
Agree this is about effort on and off field. Bring 100% at all times or you are out. All the best to Jack, but hopefully every player learns something from this.
 
The gaping hole in our age profile gets worse. It's Lewis 2004, Jones 2005, Jetta and Garlett and 2008, Gawn and Melksham 2009, Hibberd (mature age) and T McDonald 2010, Tyson 2011, and Viney 2012, and then everyone else from our best 22 was drafted 2013 onward. Imagine where we'd be if we hadn't gained Lewis, Melksham, and Hibberd this year. 7 players from an 8 year span. They must really be putting a lot of stock in the 2013-2017 group peaking together under Viney.
They are. It's pretty obvious.

God we flubbed the 2007-12 drafts. Literally 5 players out of 5 drafts, including multiple top-10 picks.
 
Feel like some of his footy early this season when Gawn went down was better than last year even. Just gave us something.

Unfortunately showed that if he is not 100% fit and on then he is not much chop at the end of the year. Think the trade is unders, but my biggest worry about trading him was that he is well liked and it might get the players offside.
 
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