Oppo Camp Jaidyn Stephenson (Traded to Nth Melb. 2020)

[sr36]

He did it three times, not once.

I'm not sure how the number of occurrences relates to arrogance or naivety. You could be right on the arrogance front, but it doesn't fit with anything I've seen or heard.

The way I see it is, you don't play footy in the style of Stephenson if you're risk averse. He's taken a really stupid risk, which he is probably pretty hard wired to do and he's paid a big price.

 

[jmac70]

Don't get me wrong.... My heart goes out to him.
I think he seems like a great kid (got that impression in his initial draft videos).

BUT...

The debate we're having is not about whether we should feel sorry for him or whether he's remorseful... It's whether the time fits the crime.

He's bet on himself to kick a certain amount of goals. That's spot fixing. That is serious, SERIOUS ****.

It’s not spot fixing at all.

 

[Jekyll and Hyde]

It's been literallydrilled down their throats for years now!!!
How much more education can you give.
The most stupid thing i've ever seen a player do. Love the kid but wow...

Literally drilled down their throats?

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Are you the mate who put on the bets? Shame on you!

Maybe Scottie65 just isn’t high and mighty and superior.

We all are in agreement it was a bad error, it was dumb. He’s copped a great whack. It will hurt him financially as well.

But get the punishment, learn, move on.

Unsure piling on him relentlessly accomplishes that much.

But that’s just me.
I’m very very disappointed but at the end there comes a time to move on and have redemption.

 

[Kappa]

1) He was cleared of match fixng by the AFL. It didn't happen according to those with all the info and who have reviewed each match.

2) From the artciles available at present he wasn't dobbed in but advised he should report it to the club. How he could not know how serious it was is head scratching but reminds me of Steve Smith and the press conference he held straight after the days play saying they were silly and it won't happen again.

3) Posters don't let the normal suspects skew your view by repeating things that they could not know and opposite to the evidence available. The terms 'match fixing' and being 'dobbed in' is a start to for you to ignore and move on from those trying to suck you in to their game.

Stevo you owe us big time. Just ridiculously stupid and almost unforgivable.

Did the AFL state with 100% certainty that his bets on himself to kick goals or on teammates to get certain touches didn't influence how he played at all? Of course he didn't match fix, but that doesn't clear his name.

Also remember when the AFL found Melbourne "not guilty" of tanking?

 

[CFC2010]

1) He was cleared of match fixng by the AFL. It didn't happen according to those with all the info and who have reviewed each match.

2) From the artciles available at present he wasn't dobbed in but advised he should report it to the club. How he could not know how serious it was is head scratching but reminds me of Steve Smith and the press conference he held straight after the days play saying they were silly and it won't happen again.

3) Posters don't let the normal suspects skew your view by repeating things that they could not know and opposite to the evidence available. The terms 'match fixing' and being 'dobbed in' is a start to for you to ignore and move on from those trying to suck you in to their game.

Stevo you owe us big time. Just ridiculously stupid and almost unforgivable.

Just on point 1 has it been cleared because the bets failed?

I know it is deflecting because it is irrelevant but he should never have put us in this position.

I just saw more of his 2019 stats on Foxfooty........it’s making me more depressed.

 

[Jekyll and Hyde]

It’s not spot fixing at all.

Agree.
“Spot-fixing refers to illegal activity in a sport in which a specific aspect of a game, unrelated to the final result but upon which a betting market exists, is fixed in an attempt to ensure a certain result in a proposition bet; examples include something as minor as timing a no ball or wide delivery in cricket.”

 

[Maggie5]

Technically it isn't spot fixing:

Spot-fixing refers to illegal activity in a sport in which a specific aspect of a game, unrelated to the final result.

However, betting on an outcome in which one is involved in is controversial where one can influence the outcome.

 

[wicksy]

It’s not spot fixing at all.

Ok... Personally, I don't think he deliberately did it with the intention of spot fixing however, if he puts money on himself to kick 3, he's lining up for his 4th and misses, the AFL could easily have detemined that result as fixing the outcome of his game.

He was seriously close to the line where the AFL would have banned him for life.

 

[sr36]

It's pretty clear who the gamblers are in this thread... Trying to normalise this garbage.
He put bets on himself in 3 games... He's in a sport where they are told consistently that they can't do it.

He made his bed...

I agree that he made his own bed. I'm not a gambler and I agree with the punishment, but I simply think that endangering your own life and the life others or endangering yourself to imprisonment - like has occurred in many of the stories we tell and re-tell about footballers - Didak, Millane, Marley Williams, etc, etc, etc.. is more stupid than endangering your footy career.

 

[wicksy]

Technically it isn't spot fixing:

Spot-fixing refers to illegal activity in a sport in which a specific aspect of a game, unrelated to the final result.

However, betting on an outcome in which one is involved in is controversial where one can influence the outcome.

Hang on... Can't you bet on how many goals a player is going to kick?
He placed a bet on how many goals he was going to kick.
That is 100% spot fixing. 100%!

 

[good4footy]

Did the AFL state with 100% certainty that his bets on himself to kick goals or on teammates to get certain touches didn't influence how he played at all? Of course he didn't match fix, but that doesn't clear his name.

As i said posters, ignore and move on. You now know one of them- apparently not doing something doesn't clear your name. One other one will out themselves soon. Keep an eye out.

 

[Daicos Daze]

Did the AFL state with 100% certainty that his bets on himself to kick goals or on teammates to get certain touches didn't influence how he played at all? Of course he didn't match fix, but that doesn't clear his name.

Jaiyden you just cost us a premiership
Thought of yourself and not the people that pay your wage
Us supporters do
Let the club down and publicly humiliated all of us

 

[Maggie5]

Hang on... Can't you bet on how many goals a player is going to kick?
He placed a bet on how many goals he was going to kick.
That is 100% spot fixing. 100%!

Think my last sentence addressed that.

I am not making excuses for his actions if you have read my previous posts.

 

[unplugged]

Can I back him for the Norm Smith yet?

My post from Queen's Birthday has aged spectacularly well...

 

[Kappa]

As i said posters, ignore and move on. You now know one of them- apparently not doing something doesn't clear your name. One other one will out themselves soon. Keep an eye out.

In order to completely clear his name you would need proof he didn't alter his game at all due to bets he had on himself or his teammates, if you can't prove that then you are completely wrong and just sprouting crap.

 

[wicksy]

I agree that he made his own bed. I'm not a gambler and I agree with the punishment, but I simply think that endangering your own life and the life others or endangering yourself to imprisonment - like has occurred in many of the stories we tell and re-tell about footballers - Didak, Millane, Marley Williams, etc, etc, etc.. is more stupid than endangering your footy career.

You're the one who is defining stupid by the outcome to others.
Given how much education has been provided to them and how commonly known it is that you can't bet on the AFL if you play AFL, it is ridiculously stupid to bet, not once, not twice, but three times on (and here's the kicker) YOUR OWN TEAM!!

It beggars belief.

 

[good4footy]

Just on point 1 has it been cleared because the bets failed?

I know it is deflecting because it is irrelevant but he should never have put us in this position.

I just saw more of his 2019 stats on Foxfooty........it’s making me more depressed.

From what the AFL said, they looked at all games through the lens of his bets and cleared him. Not because his bets failed.

I agree with the rest. In fact, just his stats is underplaying things. The amount of space he creates behind him with his space etc is irreplaceable. His abscence will cost us games along the way. Now I'm getting angry again.

 

[30yearpie]

It’s not spot fixing at all.

You can't bet on individual kicking goals on the TAB (only most disposals and most goals) and it was made clear they were multi bets on the TAB. If he had backed himself to kick the first goal that is spot fixing. Everyone seems to be making this a much bigger deal than it is. It was a $12 bet by a kid with his mate, not a syndicated match fixing.

 

[sr36]

Don't get me wrong.... My heart goes out to him.
I think he seems like a great kid (got that impression in his initial draft videos).

BUT...

The debate we're having is not about whether we should feel sorry for him or whether he's remorseful... It's whether the time fits the crime.

He's bet on himself to kick a certain amount of goals. That's spot fixing. That is serious, SERIOUS ****.

Betting on an outcome that you can directly effect isn't spot fixing, but it could lead to spot fixing, which is why it is banned for players in the AFL and is why Stephenson has and should have copped a big whack. If he did spot fix an outcome, he'd be deregistered and justifiably so.

 

[good4footy]

The AFL have completely cleared his name from match fixing. Anyone that says otherwise is talking crap. Ignore.

 

[cakewalk06]

Ok... Personally, I don't think he deliberately did it with the intention of spot fixing however, if he puts money on himself to kick 3, he's lining up for his 4th and misses, the AFL could easily have detemined that result as fixing the outcome of his game.

He was seriously close to the line where the AFL would have banned him for life.

No the bet is 3 or more goals not exactly 3. There is no spot fixing going on anywhere in increments of $12! He’s made a stupid mistake where he knew it was wrong but obviously he did not comprehend the possible consequences.
He has copped a pretty severe penalty when he might easily have said nothing and moved on with his life.
Some posters need to get a grip.

Stupid stupid mistake but not a hanging offence.

Side by side at all times, even when the chips are down.

 

[wicksy]

Maybe Scottie65 just isn’t high and mighty and superior.

We all are in agreement it was a bad error, it was dumb. He’s copped a great whack. It will hurt him financially as well.

But get the punishment, learn, move on.

Unsure piling on him relentlessly accomplishes that much.

But that’s just me.
I’m very very disappointed but at the end there comes a time to move on and have redemption.

How am I piling on him relentlessly? My initial comment was to JMac when he suggested the penalty was too harsh.
I think he's a great kid, made a ridiculously stupid decision and is now going to have to wear the punishment.

Just because he's young doesn't mean he doesn't have to deal with the consequences though.

 

[wicksy]

Think my last sentence addressed that.

I am not making excuses for his actions if you have read my previous posts.

No... you just said that technically it's not spot fixing and then listed the definition of spot fixing.
The definition of spot fixing is literally exactly what Jaidyn did.. I'm not saying he did it intentionally... in fact, i'd bet (sorry) my last dollar that he hasn't done it on purpose but it is spot fixing.

Spot-fixing refers to illegal activity in a sport in which a specific aspect of a game (number of goals a player kicks), unrelated to the final result.

 

[CFC2010]

From what the AFL said, they looked at all games through the lens of his bets and cleared him. Not because his bets failed.

I agree with the rest. In fact, just his stats is underplaying things. The amount of space he creates behind him with his space etc is irreplaceable. His abscence will cost us games along the way. Now I'm getting angry again.

I have been angry all day mate......it takes a lot for me to get angry by the way.

The roller coaster ride that is Collingwood.