Traded Jake Carlisle [traded w/ #23 and #44 for #5, #24 and Craig Bird]

[Red Bull]

If he chooses to go to Carlton, then the blues have the upper hand.
They could offer David ellard and Andrew Carrazzo for jake, if Essendon knock it back he goes into the PSD and walks to his preferred club for free

This is the point .
efc are bringing a feather duster to a gunfight should Carlisle nominate Carlton .

 

[cdcanman]

A little harsh on Essendon's creativity mate. I think everyone has completely forgotten the capability to trade next years draft picks.

Could be a case of 2nd rounder this year 1st round pick next year whatever that may be.

saying because they have pick 1 and that's overs the deal just cannot get done is a laugh to me.

There's so many other possibilities and avenues to trade that will be discussed before heading towards the PSD path.

I totally agree with you that there are loads of opportunities and possibilities to get a deal done. I just question Essendon's ability to make these things happen. They have a very poor reputation in the exchange period, to the point where many clubs really dislike having to work with them. It's been widely reported over the past few years.

That's if he even wants to go to Carlton of course. I would suggest Carlton fans cool their jets a little on Carlisle. Lots of water to go under the bridge yet. If he is well managed, he won't make any decisions until after the finals are done with. You would imagine there are a few finals bound teams that would have strong interest in Carlisle. Things can and do develop late

 

[Halloween Jack]

This is the point .
efc are bringing a feather duster to a gunfight should Carlisle nominate Carlton .

True, but SOS is really ticklish

 

[HBF]

I'll laugh pretty hard if Carlisle doesn't pick Carlton. The tears from Blues fans on here will be amazing.

How could we get upset over a player that has never played for us.

 

[BluesRule]

How could we get upset over a player that has never played for us.

Most of us only want him if he costs nothing but salary cap via the PSD.

 

[DapperDon]

How could we get upset over a player that has never played for us.

I seem to recall many years of Goddard anger and he never played for you.

 

[HBF]

I seem to recall many years of Goddard anger and he never played for you.

Fair call.

 

[foj1]

Mr Dodoro thought draft night last year was a real hoot .
Let's see if he finds the trade period this year just as funny ...

Your clubs incompetence was laughed at by all clubs not just Essendon bud.
If you were at moomoos that night you would have been seething as a Carlton supporter. Very funny night.

 

[foj1]

Please give one good reason why Carlton , in rebuild , will trade a first rounder for Carlisle should he nominate us , when they have absolutely no need to .
I'll give you 3 reasons why the Carlisle/Ryder situations are different .
Ryder was contracted , Carlisle is not .
Carlton have first pick in the PSD , Port did not .
At the time of the Ryder trade , the WADA business was under the "control" of the AFL tribunal , now it is not .
If that were to transpire , Silvagni should meet the same fate as Rogers !!

I think jake wont have the balls to go to psd.
I have no information to back my opinion up just a feeling he won't cope with the backlash.i think you will get damaged goods if you get him through psd. Again purely opinion piece.

 

[Red Bull]

Your clubs incompetence was laughed at by all clubs not just Essendon bud.
If you were at moomoos that night you would have been seething as a Carlton supporter. Very funny night.

Yeah well , things have got a way of comin around i guess .
Still waiting on that one good reason why Carlton will trade a first rounder for Carlisle should he nominate us ??

 

[Duckworth]

Yeah well , things have got a way of comin around i guess .
Still waiting on that one good reason why Carlton will trade a first rounder for Carlisle should he nominate us ??

Still waiting for him to nominate Carlton.

 

[foj1]

If Carlisle wants Essendon to be fairly compensated as Ryder did then you will give up a late first rounder if you want him.
If Carlisle is happy to go to psd then you win no doubt.
Not sure what else you want me to say?
Losing Carlisle without any compensation would be shattering but we are better off having a list of players who want to be at the club. We have no choice anyway!
Crameri, Ryder and most likely Carlisle don't didn't want to be there.
Not sure Carlton will be in that position.
Looks like kruezer goes and you are heading down melbournes path of high draft picks and you will have disgruntled veterans. The short term future don't look to appealing for Gibbs Murphy or Simpson I reckon.

 

[Red Bull]

Still waiting for him to nominate Carlton.

Yeah it's quite amusing that you guys are at the point now that you really don't care how much you get shafted , just as long as it's not by Carlton

 

[foj1]

Yeah it's quite amusing that you guys are at the point now that you really don't care how much you get shafted , just as long as it's not by Carlton

Nah you don't understand how hard it has been to be an Essendon supporter mate. We expect to get shafted and things to just drag on. I think that is why the draft was a highlight last year it was a rare small win in three dismal years!

 

[F_therest]

Carlton find themselves in the position they are in now, and have been in for several years, because of how the club has been run off field. Make no mistake about that. Similar reasons as to why Essendon has found trouble over the past few years. Both clubs are struggling because they were being run like it was still 1995. They hadn't modernised with the rest of the league. Carlton are only just now getting their house in order of field, since the new president took over. Their board was (and still is) a mess. They have something like 12 board members (at least they did last time I heard media types speak about this)which from what I understand is really large for a football club. Many competing interests and factions have made progress and good governance difficult. By all reports, LoGiudice has at least identified the problem, not sure how much movement there has been yet. Their football department has been very ordinary also. Recruiting and player development in particular. They have, at least outwardly, seemed to have made big changes in this area in the last 12 months or so.
Look at Richmond as an example of how poor off field performance greatly affects on field performance. Richmond were a basket case for a very long time (sorry Richmond fans, it is the truth), but 6 or 7 years ago they went about making big changes to how the club was being run. They brought in high calibre people, and modernised the club to catch up with the pace setters of the competition. It took a little while, but they are now seeing the on field success flow from all the hard work they put in off the field. It's no coincidence. Carlton are just starting this process now. Essendon are even further behind. There is some pain ahead, but hopefully at least the process has begun.

When it comes to Carlisle, I find it hard to see how a suitable trade can be arranged between these two. They certainly aren't giving up pick 1 for him. If Kreuezer is allowed to leave (Carlton fans should be praying this happens) and they receive pick 2 as compensation, would you want to give this up for Carlisle? I doubt it. If he does want to go to Carlton, then the PSD may be the most realistic way for it to happen. Sorry Essendon fans. I don't have any faith in Essendon's recruiting team being creative enough to execute a more complicated, workable deal given the reputation they have garnered in the exchange period over the past few years.

Absolutely agree with you.

We've been poorly run for the last 15 years and its cost us on field big time.
I guess technically it remains to be seen whether we have our off-field stuff in order, but i think people can see we have identified the issues and are actively trying to put better modern systems and processes in place. Trigg seems to be driving it and Bolton is a good step in the right direction.

Hopefully players like Carlisle can see that and buy in, making us a somewhat attractive place to come and not quite the basket case finishing last would suggest.

I can see us possibly giving up our second round pick for Carlisle.

 

[Yoda_]

Kruezer leaves via free agency, Carlton give up compensation pick for Carlisle.

(Presumably end of 1st)

 

[pinot]

Kruezer leaves via free agency, Carlton give up compensation pick for Carlisle.

(Presumably end of 1st)

We are offering Jake big bucks no one is going to match. Pity he hasn't been at your club for eight yrs to get compo pick but it is what it is and no picks are going your way whilst we are rebuilding. You have to convince him to stay.

 

[Yoda_]

We are offering Jake big bucks no one is going to match. Pity he hasn't been at your club for eight yrs to get compo pick but it is what it is and no picks are going your way whilst we are rebuilding. You have to convince him to stay.

Despite the petulance of BigFooty posters, clubs &/or players have some credibility and respect in the AFL.

Should Jake simply walk out on Essendon not getting us any compensation, it shows much more about him as a person than what it does about us at the trade table if imagine.

 

[foj1]

We are offering Jake big bucks no one is going to match. Pity he hasn't been at your club for eight yrs to get compo pick but it is what it is and no picks are going your way whilst we are rebuilding. You have to convince him to stay.

We don't have the ability to do that.
He's gone.
We either have to convince him to fairly compensate the club or hope he chooses team success over team dismal which will be the blues.
You know you still haven't showed me that Carlton are not prepared to trade a draft pick for Carlisle.
Easy to talk tough as a keyboard warrior passion pop

 

[YEMOC NAYR]

Nothing from Scoop today on Carlisle, had plenty on others.

He was one of the first to come out and say "Jake will be at Carlton next year". So I assume he's talking to someone in the know.

Might drag abit. Sweet

 

[pinot]

We don't have the ability to do that.
He's gone.
We either have to convince him to fairly compensate the club or hope he chooses team success over team dismal which will be the blues.
You know you still haven't showed me that Carlton are not prepared to trade a draft pick for Carlisle.
Easy to talk tough as a keyboard warrior passion pop

Talking tough not my style. This is the situation - we can agree or disagree all day long but at the end of the day with WADA hanging over his head a rebuilding team won't give up any high value picks with a massive contract offer with PSD number 1.

 

[YEMOC NAYR]

Talking tough not my style. This is the situation - we can agree or disagree all day long but at the end of the day with WADA hanging over his head a rebuilding team won't give up any high value picks with a massive contract offer with PSD number 1.

I don't think WADA matters. Even if he didn't have a potential ban over his head, you'd still ask for him to go through PSD. You are last for a reason, and to get quality players for nothing is the clubs main objective, even if it means stepping on a few toes.

 

[foj1]

Talking tough not my style. This is the situation - we can agree or disagree all day long but at the end of the day with WADA hanging over his head a rebuilding team won't give up any high value picks with a massive contract offer with PSD number 1.

That is ridiculous thinking.
We feel Carlisle is a gun chb who is 23 and worth 750000 but we won't give up anything for him even if he wants his old club compensated.
You keep spouting psd but there is no proof psd is the only option and you have no proof this is carltons strategy.
Every time I ask for proof of cartons strategy you don't comply.
C'mon passion pop unless Carlisle says psd you need alternatives.

 

[pinot]

I don't think WADA matters. Even if he didn't have a potential ban over his head, you'd still ask for him to go through PSD. You are last for a reason, and to get quality players for nothing is the clubs main objective, even if it means stepping on a few toes.

If WADA wasn't hanging over his head there would be more clubs after him and we would need to offer prime picks for him, as we should. These are the realities. Blame James Hird

 

[rampar]

The WADA thing equals pick 30 or above IMO. This guy could be out for 2 years.