Linda_Lovelace
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It's mediation not arbitration. As such the afl can do nothing if one party won't budge.
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Traded Jake Carlisle [traded w/ #23 and #44 for #5, #24 and Craig Bird]
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It's mediation not arbitration. As such the afl can do nothing if one party won't budge.
Listening to Dodoro, he said Carlisle has met with Carlton. Said he will meet with Saints and Doggies on Carlisle's return.
If that is correct, you'd think there was more early interest on him joining Carlton. If I was going for a new role, I would go to my first choice first but keep the other options open in case the first choice didn't work out.
Doesn't have to always be this way I know but would be the case in 90% of cases. The only reason he could be coming to Carlton is he knows 1/2 blokes and he sees big money contract at a club that has no star players. Hurley biting into his contract dollars at Essendon etc.
Not sure I want him at a premium price which totally complicates things. I do believe Bombers should be at least fairly compensated just not on the premium scale (5-12) because the player wants out. Back end of the first round is that range. Carlton are facingthe same issue with Hendo/Yarran...we wont be getting anything premium in return for those players. Not as good as Carlisle but for their level; we have to suffer a less than great return. Just the way it is.
If he ends up at Saints/Doggies...good luck to them. He is not a bullet proof player like other premiums. He can go wrong.
If that is correct, you'd think there was more early interest on him joining Carlton. If I was going for a new role, I would go to my first choice first but keep the other options open in case the first choice didn't work out.
Doesn't have to always be this way I know but would be the case in 90% of cases. The only reason he could be coming to Carlton is he knows 1/2 blokes and he sees big money contract at a club that has no star players. Hurley biting into his contract dollars at Essendon etc.
Not sure I want him at a premium price which totally complicates things. I do believe Bombers should be at least fairly compensated just not on the premium scale (5-12) because the player wants out. Back end of the first round is that range. Carlton are facingthe same issue with Hendo/Yarran...we wont be getting anything premium in return for those players. Not as good as Carlisle but for their level; we have to suffer a less than great return. Just the way it is.
If he ends up at Saints/Doggies...good luck to them. He is not a bullet proof player like other premiums. He can go wrong.
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why has your coached completely refuted the idea then?
Defacto
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not hard to work out why beveridge went whack on the radio today. i'd say he knows what the lay of the land is given his connection to one of the two other clubs
As has been mentioned plenty of times, Carlisle met with us prior to his overseas holiday, a good 2 or 3 weeks ago.
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Fair enough, we won't dig our feet in, we'll walk away.
Essendon calling mediation in? Let's be honest, as a threat it's minimal.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...over-patrick-ryder-trade-20141015-116fst.html
spoiler, Essendon accepted Port's initial offer.
I understand the bluff and bluster, but quite frankly his outbursts have reduced his trade value by about 10 draft spots.
As it's not free agency and he's uncontracted, a price and the draft is another option.
Personal opinion is it will get done at a price somewhere between pick 10 and the Paddy Ryder deal. To whom, I have no idea.
Yep, it does. It was interesting that a large % of the older ones in the comp now view footy as more of a job than a passion and I dare say after all Jake has gone through at Essendon he is very much in that boat and as such he wants to get the maximum financial return from his "job", just as so many in other industries or vocations do.
Hopefully he'll get his enjoyment for the game back at his new club, but at this point in time he probably just views it more as his job.
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eth-dog
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Um, no they didn't. Port's initial offer was 17 by itself. Try again.
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semantics, when the mediator was brought in it was 17 & 37, when the deal was done it was 17 & 37
eth-dog
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No, it's not. What you said was incorrect.
Port tried to trade players as well. They just weren't going to force any. If port had pick5 it would have been done almost first day.
eth-dog
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If future picks were in play the deal would have been done day 1, because IIRC Port would have traded 2014 and 2015 1st round picks for him.
Heh. Imagine going in with 4, 5 and 10 this year.
If we get a 2nd round for Melksham then maybe trade two second rounds for pick 8 as well. Then 4, 5, 8 and 10 would be even better.
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And maybe you'll get a BJ from a supermodel tonight...
Maybe take your fantasies to the Bombers Board?
eth-dog
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Theoretically it's sound. 23 + 25 equates to more points in academy bidding than pick 8 so it does help GWS (who will have to use 8 to match on Hopper anyway)
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Isn't this the Carlisle thread??
eth-dog
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I see your point just showing that pick 23 + 25 could be construed as better than pick 8 from a GWS perspective (given Hopper will likely be bid upon in the first 5 picks)
I guess thats why we've had over a qtr of our list re-sign since Boyd came in, including Bont, Stringer and Macrae.
He is back. He got back yesterday i believe.
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Your coach has said through the media how he's gunning for Jakey.
With your current forward and midfield development, he'd round out your backline very nicely.
spoiler alert, Port had a late first rounder, they didn't have the currency which was unfortunate. They gave up their first two picks.
Dodoro said on a recent podcast that he had nothing but praise for the PA list management team.
If he does nominate St Kilda, well, pick 5 is very good currency to work a deal around.
IMHO, it'll definitely be involved.
If he nominates StKilda , and Essendon stick to their guns and demand pick 5 , and StKilda refuse. What will happen?
I guess thats why we've had over a qtr of our list re-sign since Boyd came in, including Bont, Stringer and Macrae.
...and that is why your coach knows that you don't have the $$$ left to Carlisle what he wants.
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More of the same like last year. I imagine our second rounder will be involved. AFL mediation etc.
Just my opinion, but I don't think your recruitment staff will want to recruit jake without parting with a decent pick. Bad for business and future trading if you leverage a club with no real consideration
It may be involved, but perhaps indirectly.
ie Saints trade Freo pick 5 for a player or two plus Freos first pick, which then goes to the Don's for Carlisle.
There are lots of permutations, but I would be most surprised if it was Carlisle as a straight swap for 5.
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