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CALL ME SNAKE said:
LOL he didnt say one word to them.
What a scoop :p
WOW what an exclusive interview of a guy walking to his car:D
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If it was ACA they would make out he refused to talk while getting into a car to go and get some more of that "white substance"
 
Let's all slow down, take a step back and look at all the facts.

At the time of the video being shot, Carlisle was still listed as an EFC player although he had walked out on the club. Jake refused to speak to the club apart for saying he wanted a fair deal for them in return to him leaving.

At the time the video was shot, Carlisle was not yet a StKilda player as he had not signed a contract.

Now why should StKilda have to be the team that gets bad publicity when at the time of shooting, he was not a saints player.

The gutter trash ACA program should have said at the time of shooting, Jake was a EFC listed player even though he had walked out on the club.

The only people that should be concerned about handing out punishment is the AFL but that is a legal minefield, IMO. The AFL, AFLPA and ALL clubs agreed that there would be NO out of season drug testing. Therefore the AFL are hamstrung to implement any punishment.

As for the bad publicity, ACA should make a formal apology to the StKilda Football Club for the bad publicity and reporting incorrect facts about the story.

As for the video, how can it move from inside to outside instantaneously? Who was the third party in the room? All you see is Jake in the pic and other half of video is blacked out, then video is all blurred, then he is out side. How can this happen instantaneously?

Is it just me or does this smell suspicious? Be interested in getting others opinions on this.
 

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SaintsSeptember said:
At least I have confidence that Richo will deal with him. Watters probably would have organised some sort of group hug.
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Sorry to intrude but I think this story is a bit ridiculous. Seems likely that Jake is not the sharpest tool in the shed but you probably did not get him for his great life-decision making smarts. I kind of think that great clubs are made of diverse people and Jake is one of those people. St Kilda, and all clubs, are not judged on the people they recruit (as much as clubs like Sydney would like you to believe otherwise), but rather the people they create. Jake is only now going to get into the St Kilda system where your club can influence his outcomes, Now, I know very little about the non-player related changes that you guys have made over the last years but I think for the club to be moving in the direction that it is, you have done much, much more than put a bunch of talented footballers in the same room together. I have no doubt that Jake is entirely recoverable and St Kilda really do give him an opportunity for that. Now, although it is possible, I really doubt that Jake has a drug habit. I doubt it because most people who take drugs don't.

St Kilda should get around your new player. Explain what your club stands for and what is expected of him. He is going to want to be a part of what you guys are building towards and what he has done, before he joined the club, whilst interesting, is not particularly informative. Explain what you expect, support him during his integration, monitor his performance in life and in football, and help him become the person and player he wants to be. I think this is a very loud but very insignificant moment on Jake's journey to become who he will be.
 
VDS66 said:
Um has he directly admitted to snorting coke?
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In his position, would you have? Instead he read out a carefully worded apology taking responsibility for his actions without actually defining what his actions were.
 
Go_Blues! said:
Sorry to intrude but I think this story is a bit ridiculous. Seems likely that Jake is not the sharpest tool in the shed but you probably did not get him for his great life-decision making smarts. I kind of think that great clubs are made of diverse people and Jake is one of those people. St Kilda, and all clubs, are not judged on the people they recruit (as much as clubs like Sydney would like you to believe otherwise), but rather the people they create. Jake is only now going to get into the St Kilda system where your club can influence his outcomes, Now, I know very little about the non-player related changes that you guys have made over the last years but I think for the club to be moving in the direction that it is, you have done much, much more than put a bunch of talented footballers in the same room together. I have no doubt that Jake is entirely recoverable and St Kilda really do give him an opportunity for that. Now, although it is possible, I really doubt that Jake has a drug habit. I doubt it because most people who take drugs don't.

St Kilda should get around your new player. Explain what your club stands for and what is expected of him. He is going to want to be a part of what you guys are building towards and what he has done, before he joined the club, whilst interesting, is not particularly informative. Explain what you expect, support him during his integration, monitor his performance in life and in football, and help him become the person and player he wants to be. I think this is a very loud but very insignificant moment on Jake's journey to become who he will be.
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Well said.....thanks.

All clubs have their good and bad folk.
It seems the no DH policy is strong at the Saints ATM. Your mob look like they've started the same route.
It's long and heart wrenching but when the good times roll again, it's all worth it.

The best appointment you made recently is SOS. His role at GWS was shooting fish in a barrel but we know his worth. He was instrumental in our 'Nearly, Almost' team under Ro$$. Hope it works for ya, just after we hold up the cup!
 
FlyingSledghamer said:
We need to embrace carlisle as a saint now.
Trust is what will bring out the best in him.
The more i thought about it. The more i started to realise how life must of been for Jake the last few years that ultimately sent him looking for a new home. A new family.
Its not an excuse to take drugs and act like a lunatic but maybe some consolation is needed.
Once youve been betrayed, dragged through the mud by those closest to you. Where do u find that trust again. Im sure he just felt lost.
Were his new family now. I hope we as a club throw our arms around him... Show him trust.. something that he may have forgotten a long time ago. Lets embrace him and i bet we'll see the best of carlisle...watch him give back to the club 10 fold.
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Right behind you on this one.
Time to move on and get 'round him.
Been a rough start but....Welcome to the family Jake.
 
jwikked said:
I just hope the club doesn't punish him to the point where he doesn't want to be a part of the club environment. I hate to sound weak, but I reckon he might need a bit of a kick in the ass, but then a soft touch moving forward. I love that Danny Frawley has put his hand up to mentor him, I think that will do wonders for Jake and the team.

Truth be told, if they paid him less that will make me feel a little easier about the ability to keep a future star. an extra $150k or $200k might be the difference in a Billings or a McCartin staying or going when their contracts are up.
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Spot on, I reckon.
 
mysainters said:
Why is everyone OK with this?

I don't get it it.

Well everyone does it is the common vibe, well sue me that I'd rather he didn't, I'd rather nobody did.

I don't care if I'm not cool or hip for saying it, I don't care if people think I'm preachy.

Drugs are bad, paint it any way you like, but you won't convince me otherwise.

He wouldn't want to whinge about his former club injecting him with drugs when he willfully does it to himself.

Due diligence, yeah nah, don't go all wide eyed when we all know he smokes and gambles.

It's tedious.
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Do you drink coffee? How can you say that some molecules are "bad" and some are good? This is nonsense.
 
mysainters said:
Why is everyone OK with this?

I don't get it it.

Well everyone does it is the common vibe, well sue me that I'd rather he didn't, I'd rather nobody did.

I don't care if I'm not cool or hip for saying it, I don't care if people think I'm preachy.

Drugs are bad, paint it any way you like, but you won't convince me otherwise.

He wouldn't want to whinge about his former club injecting him with drugs when he willfully does it to himself.

Due diligence, yeah nah, don't go all wide eyed when we all know he smokes and gambles.

It's tedious.
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I'd hope you've never smoked any tobacco, or consumed any form of alcoholic beverage, to be making such a statement, given that those two are far more burdensome on societies worldwide with regards to disease, death, and societal stressors.
Most illicit drugs are far, far less harmful than those aforementioned "big 2". Base your judgement of substances based on the scientific facts pertaining to their dangers, not arbitrary laws and society's conditioning.
 

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Kildonan said:
In his position, would you have? Instead he read out a carefully worded apology taking responsibility for his actions without actually defining what his actions were.
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The way both he and the club have been carefully tiptoeing around that question it has to be a legal directive.
 
mysainters said:
Why is everyone OK with this?

I don't get it it.

Well everyone does it is the common vibe, well sue me that I'd rather he didn't, I'd rather nobody did.

I don't care if I'm not cool or hip for saying it, I don't care if people think I'm preachy.

Drugs are bad, paint it any way you like, but you won't convince me otherwise.

He wouldn't want to whinge about his former club injecting him with drugs when he willfully does it to himself.

Due diligence, yeah nah, don't go all wide eyed when we all know he smokes and gambles.

It's tedious.
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What an obtuse thing to say.
 
ike2112 said:
Sorry I can't get the video links to work. When does the actual video take place? Is it this year, last year, last week?
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It appears the clip is just over a week old
 
Kildonan said:
She does say Saint's shame in the headline (if she meant the club it would have been written Saints' shame) so she is basically calling Carlisle a Saint and describing his shame in greater detail in the clip. It is misleading though. I tweeted her my disappointment that the club is tarnished unjustly.
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She is a two-bit online try hard journo with her only mail coming from Cal Twomey. She asked the stupid question in the Finnis interview. She has read the Mark Howard book on how to climb the journo ladder.

(Edit - Howard served his time and has come back as a slapstick journo)

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Strahany said:
I'd hope you've never smoked any tobacco, or consumed any form of alcoholic beverage, to be making such a statement, given that those two are far more burdensome on societies worldwide with regards to disease, death, and societal stressors.
Most illicit drugs are far, far less harmful than those aforementioned "big 2". Base your judgement of substances based on the scientific facts pertaining to their dangers, not arbitrary laws and society's conditioning.
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Why are people suddenly quoting me now...this opinion is days old?

I'm totally cool with not wanting people to do drugs, alcohol or cigarettes...not wanting anyone to endure substance abuse issues sits very comfortably with me.
 
dougiemac said:
I wonder how people would respond to the video if this was your kid's teacher. I know what the governing body of the teaching profession would do. Saint or otherwise, I am often angry at the leniency shown to sportspeople.
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But what should happen? Obviously in this video he is using and possessing but the cops wouldn't even bother charging him with anything. I don't think sports people are getting leniency, I think every user of drugs does especially as there isn't even a law against it. And if it was a teacher of my kid I actually wouldn't care as long as I knew they did their job Monday to Friday. And I hate drugs but unfortunately if every person who used was ostracised we wouldnt have much of a workforce. I'm not even sure the AFL should have the illegal drug policy. Usain Bolt can use whenever he likes and no gives a stuff unless its on race day.
 
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dougiemac said:
I wonder how people would respond to the video if this was your kid's teacher. I know what the governing body of the teaching profession would do. Saint or otherwise, I am often angry at the leniency shown to sportspeople.
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I think it's the whole nothing ventured nothing lost mindset

If you buy a new car and that day at coles someone knocks off the mirror you don't scrap it you go fix it because of the investment

We invested pick 5 into Carlisle so obviously we want him to succeed. If Carlisle was Josh Saunders i feel he'd be in a lot more trouble and that's the unfortunate reality of afl
 
My goodness this zero tolerance of drugs posturing a lot of us are spewing up makes me weary. I am disappointed another pro sportsman can't wait til he retires to dabble but Jake obviously has shit friends and little forethought. He's a long way from an addict I would have thought, and as long as his new club makes it clear what's expected of him officially from ceo and unofficially from his teammates then he'd have to just be a total fool or a scummy Noble Park badboy to continue.

For those moaning that the cops can't lock him up due to lack of admissible evidence, true, but they can monitor his behaviour waiting for the next stuff up like seaguls circling a chip. He certainly will be easy to find. If I was St kilda, I'd monitor him too and find him a wingman for all socialising.
 
austinnn said:
For those moaning that the cops can't lock him up due to lack of admissible evidence, true, but they can monitor his behaviour waiting for the next stuff up like seaguls circling a chip. He certainly will be easy to find. If I was St kilda, I'd monitor him too and find him a wingman for all socialising.
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I can understand you being upset.
Now im not trying to open up an old can of worms here or a was he 'guilty' or 'innocent' debate.
But what Milney was accused off was actually bringing harm to somebody else.
Jake was just a massive idiot who was treating his own body badly.
Did you want a wingman following Milney around ??
We cant sit around & wait for Jake to stuff up again . He is NOW at a club who over the last few yrs has had a much better player welfare system than his old club.
At Essendon the reputation of Hirdy and the Board seemed to be a lot more important than their players.
I'll back Richo , Finnis and co to keep his nose clean ( pun intended:p)
 

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