Traded Jake Stringer [traded to Essendon]

[yodellinhank]

It says a swap of 2018 picks. So WCE will probably get a 2018 2nd or 3rd also.

Thought the dogs needed those for a F/S bid?

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Thought the dogs needed those for a F/S bid?

Wont be hard to accumulate points next year. People always looking to move 30s and 40s picks.

 

[yodellinhank]

Wont be hard to accumulate points next year. People always looking to move 30s and 40s picks.

It's not as easy as that though, I think you're thinking of the old system. Now you can only use live picks, so if they use 3-4 picks at 30+ they need 3-4 spots on the list and fill them with even later picks or DFAs.

 

[gordo2016]

The fact he needed to say "I'm not going back" for some to finally believe that is incredible.

Gets Whacked by Beveridge, gets whacked by Murphy, then everything comes out and people still thought he was staying? Straight up some people need to develop a bit of nuance.

Thanks for your naunce buddy. Thanks for showing us your nuance by providing the quotes where Bevo and Murphy have whacked him. Thanks for showing us your nuance by telling us he will sit out for a year rather than play football at the Dogs. I hope I can only develop nuance as good as yours.

 

[The_Reaper]

Wont be hard to accumulate points next year. People always looking to move 30s and 40s picks.

Obviously West Coast are giving them next years fourth and second round picks for their second pick and keeping our first rounder.

Just to help them get West jnr. We're nice lads like that.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Jake Stringer move to Essendon hanging on a thread
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/adelai...ndon-hanging-on-a-thread-20171017-gz2tw3.html

“The Bulldogs appear to have come to terms with the fact that Essendon's pick 25 and 30 are the best they can hope to receive from the Bombers for Stringer and are negotiating a complex pick swap with the Eagles.

Under the deal, the Bulldogs would give the Eagles pick 9, 25 and 30 in exchange for West Coast's pick 13 and a swap of future draft picks. “

Wait, what?

WC upgrades their first-rounder and gets some extra picks on top of it?

I don't get it.

 

[SCrangers]

So current option (doggies perspective) seems to be: Stringer + 2018 WBD 3rd + 9 for 2018 WCE 1st + 13

Assuming WBD 2018 3rd is pick 46, for the deal to be better than the don's offer (11 + 48 for 28 + Stringer), WCE's 2018 pick needs to be less than 8. If WCE finish top 8 next year, it'll value Stringer around 30 on points (Dons first offer valued him around 20).

A lot more favourable for the doggies if the 2018 WBD 3rd falls out of the equation but if that's the case I see no reason for WCE to accept it.

 

[Forward Press]

I'm still struggling to follow what's going on here, so can someone explain why we have to get involved and what we are supposed to gain from this complicated pick swap?

 

[DapperJong]

I'm still struggling to follow what's going on here, so can someone explain why we have to get involved and what we are supposed to gain from this complicated pick swap?

It's a smoke screen to hide jmacs failed trade.

 

[The_Reaper]

I'm still struggling to follow what's going on here, so can someone explain why we have to get involved and what we are supposed to gain from this complicated pick swap?

Only way this makes sense for us if we have specific players in mind for these picks. And at pick 9, someone we desperately want who we believe will be available at pick 9 but not at 13.
With one of the second rounders probably earmarked for Kelly.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

I'm still struggling to follow what's going on here, so can someone explain why we have to get involved and what we are supposed to gain from this complicated pick swap?

The latest report suggests WC would upgrade this year's first-rounder from 13 to 9, add a couple of second-rounders, but then send something back in 2018.

But yeah, it's weird.

 

[Forward Press]

Only way this makes sense for us if we have specific players in mind for these picks. And at pick 9, someone we desperately want who we believe will be available at pick 9 but not at 13.
With one of the second rounders probably earmarked for Kelly.

Well it worked with Sheed (the one we wanted at pick 6 predicted to slide to pick 11, allowed us to obtain Yeo), but I don't think it works as well the other way around. I don't know of any of the prospective talent this year that we have our hearts set on that is predicted to go just inside the top 10.

This trade makes no sense to me, I just don't get it. Is our drafting team getting kickbacks from Essendon or something?

 

[Bunk Moreland]

It's a smoke screen to hide jmacs failed trade.

Actually would be wary of blaming McCartney in particular. Sounds like a bloke with an impossible job to do under their “structure”.

 

[SCrangers]

I'm still struggling to follow what's going on here, so can someone explain why we have to get involved and what we are supposed to gain from this complicated pick swap?

It's being reported as: 9 + 25 + 30 + Dogs 2018 3rd FOR 13 and WCE 2018 1st

Assuming Doggies 2018 3rd pick is 46, WCE get about pick 25-35 equivalent on points if they finish 8-11.

 

[The_Reaper]

Well it worked with Sheed (the one we wanted at pick 6 predicted to slide to pick 11, allowed us to obtain Yeo), but I don't think it works as well the other way around. I don't know of any of the prospective talent this year that we have our hearts set on that is predicted to go just inside the top 10.

This trade makes no sense to me, I just don't get it. Is our drafting team getting kickbacks from Essendon or something?

Maybe the way we were so confident we'd get Sheed is because our recruiters actually have a fairly good idea about who will pick what?

Its a very small world and everyone knows everyone and this close to the draft everyone probably has a good idea of who is looking at what.

 

[Forward Press]

It's being reported as: 9 + 25 + 30 + Dogs 2018 3rd FOR 13 and WCE 2018 1st

Assuming Doggies 2018 3rd pick is 46, WCE get about pick 25-35 equivalent on points if they finish 8-11.

This would be palatable if there was a Dom Sheed type player in the draft - a WA talent predicted to go in the lower half of the 10, early teens, which we need pick 9 to make sure of because he may not last until 13.

But there isn't, not that I know of anyway, and we would be potentially giving up a top 10 pick in a strong 2018 draft. If we do this we're doing it as a favour to Stringer and the clubs involved.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

It's being reported as: 9 + 25 + 30 + Dogs 2018 3rd FOR 13 and WCE 2018 1st

Assuming Doggies 2018 3rd pick is 46, WCE get about pick 25-35 equivalent on points if they finish 8-11.

Isn't next year meant to be a "super draft"?

Maybe unwise to trade the future first-rounder, particularly when a slide is not out of the question.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Jake Stringer’s trade to Essendon nears as Western Bulldogs, West Coast shuffle picks

Jay Clark, Herald Sun
6 minutes ago
Subscriber only
THE WESTERN Bulldogs have made progress on a pick swap with West Coast which would send Jake Stringer to Essendon.

After two frantic days of discussions with the Eagles, the Dogs are believed to be close to an arrangement which would help them secure a first-round draft pick for the loss of the All-Australian forward.

The deal involves the Dogs accepting picks No.25 and No.30 from Essendon for Stringer.

As the Herald Sun revealed on Tuesday, the Dogs would then on-trade No.25 and No.30, and potentially their own No.28, to West Coast for pick No.13.

The deal would help satisfy the Eagles’ desire to load up with more picks inside the top-50 of next month’s national draft after four senior player retirements this year including veteran midfielders Sam Mitchell and Matt Priddis.

West Coast also possesses picks No.32
But there could be another layer of the West Coast-Bulldogs deal which could help sweeten the agreement further in the Eagles’ favour before Thursday’s 2pm trade deadline.

Under one proposal, the Dogs could give their current pick No.9 in this year’s draft to West Coast.

In return, the Eagles could hand over a future first or second-round pick in next year’s draft back to the Dogs.

Overall it means the Dogs would slide back from No.9 to No.13 in this year’s draft and lose two or three selections in the second round.

But the Dogs would bolster their position in next year’s draft which is widely believed to house one of the best talent pools in recent years.

The Eagles bowed out in the second week of this year’s finals race but could drop down the ladder next year as they look to replenish the list with fresh young talent.

The Herald Sun understands Dogs’ list manager Jason McCartney was still thrashing out details of the deal with Eagles’ list chief Brady Rawlings on Tuesday night.

Negotiations could continue right up until Thursday’s 2pm trade deadline.

The lifeline would help McCartney navigate a difficult situation after Essendon list guru Adrian Dodoro smartly took pick No.11 off the table last week in a trade for Devon Smith.

The Dogs have been under intense pressure to secure a Stringer deal in recent days after surprisingly putting him up for trade last month amid some frustrations with his preparation and behaviour.

Importantly, the deal would with Essendon and West Coast would avoid the ugly scenario where Stringer would be forced to return to the Kennel next year to continue his football career against his will.

While the Dogs have maintained they were happy to keep Stringer to his contract, the situation would create massive distraction for Stringer and his teammates if he remained at the club in 2018.

The acquisition of Stringer caps a stunning trade period for Essendon, nabbing Smith, speedster Adam Saad and, finally, premiership star Stringer.

The talent injection was designed to give the resurgent Bombers a genuine crack at a top-four spot next year.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...s/news-story/1a35bb2665e5d7d3894072f75da5bc32

 

[The_Reaper]

Isn't next year meant to be a "super draft"?

Maybe unwise to trade the future first-rounder, particularly when a slide is not out of the question.

Yep. It only makes sense if we are absolutely ironclad convinced a midfielder we highly rate is going to last until 9.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...s/news-story/1a35bb2665e5d7d3894072f75da5bc32

This could be great or horrendous.

 

[Alfred E Neuman]

This could be great or horrendous.

looks like you're building your next core - 5 picks inside 32?

 

[mickd]

This could be great or horrendous.

Sounds like a win win

WC load up on players this draft and bulldogs capatlise next year plus ensure they get their F/S target. West?

 

[Forward Press]

In return, the Eagles could hand over a future first or second-round pick in next year’s draft back to the Dogs.

Overall it means the Dogs would slide back from No.9 to No.13 in this year’s draft and lose two or three selections in the second round.

But the Dogs would bolster their position in next year’s draft which is widely believed to house one of the best talent pools in recent years.

I found this quite amusing. Apparently next year's draft has 'one of the best talent pools in recent years' which explains the Dogs sacrificing picks this year but the Eagles staff are blind to this fact and are happy to trade away picks from this superdraft.

 

[yodellinhank]

Obviously West Coast are giving them next years fourth and second round picks for their second pick and keeping our first rounder.

Just to help them get West jnr. We're nice lads like that.

The circuit breaker club can often reap the benefits of facilitating a trade in deadlocks like this. Look at St Kilda last year.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Yep. It only makes sense if we are absolutely ironclad convinced a midfielder we highly rate is going to last until 9.

And if we're guaranteed to finish top four next year.

"Sure, we're going great! Our 2018 first-rounder won't even be that early!"

Someone will have to have their nuts cut off if that backfires and we cough up an early pick next year. Unless we're offering our 2018 second-rounder, not our first-rounder, in which case it's high fives all round.