Moved Thread Jamarra Ugle-Hagan will end up more valuable than Nick Daicos

[Conception]

There is no doubt Nick Daicos has hit his strides earlier on in his career, but for me, Ugle-Hagan will end up the better, more valuable player.

Ugle-Hagan has already shown more than enough to prove he is clearly the best young key-forward in the competition, and rather than just being a mark-kick type forward (King/McKay/Wright) he is proving to be an excellent field kick too, in the same vein that Franklin was at his best.

For me, a top level key forward who can both score and provide at an elite level will always be more valuable than any midfielder, because they serve a structurally important role that is incredibly difficult to find. As much as people like to hype up Ablett and Judd as two of the greatest players of the last 20 years, I don't think either of them brought as much value to their football team as say, Nick Riewoldt, Jonathan Brown or Tom Hawkins

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did for their respective clubs.

The same thing applies for this comparison. Nick Daicos will be a prolific ball-winner and a quality ball-user, but in 2-3 years time, I suspect post clubs would choose Ugle-Hagan over him.

 

[Taper]

Jhye Clark will end up more valuable than both.

 

[conrad_437]

Hard to argue considering how well Daicos is doing right now, but I'm genuinely as excited watching Jamarra as I was watching a young Bont. He just looks so dominant inside 50 at the moment. Obviously his goalkicking has been atrocious, but I'm sure that'll be ironed out.

Again, hard to argue against Daicos being more valuable right now, but I don't think it's a silly thing to suggest Jamarra may be in a few years.

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

JHF will be better than both in 3 years

 

[1990crow]

JHF will be better than both in 3 years

 

[VinnieB]

Jhye Clark will end up more valuable than both.

If ends up being any good, he will ask to be traded to the Pies. Family are Collingwood FC sponsors. We’ll give you a 2nd or 3rd round pick for him.

 

[1990crow]

There is no doubt Nick Daicos has hit his strides earlier on in his career, but for me, Ugle-Hagan will end up the better, more valuable player.

Ugle-Hagan has already shown more than enough to prove he is clearly the best young key-forward in the competition, and rather than just being a mark-kick type forward (King/McKay/Wright) he is proving to be an excellent field kick too, in the same vein that Franklin was at his best.

For me, a top level key forward who can both score and provide at an elite level will always be more valuable than any midfielder, because they serve a structurally important role that is incredibly difficult to find. As much as people like to hype up Ablett and Judd as two of the greatest players of the last 20 years, I don't think either of them brought as much value to their football team as say, Nick Riewoldt, Jonathan Brown or Tom Hawkins did for their respective clubs.

The same thing applies for this comparison. Nick Daicos will be a prolific ball-winner and a quality ball-user, but in 2-3 years time, I suspect post clubs would choose Ugle-Hagan over him.

Daicos is on track to be the best pl ayer of the modern era.
Maybe wait and see if he actually develops into a superstar first.

 

[VinnieB]

There is no doubt Nick Daicos has hit his strides earlier on in his career, but for me, Ugle-Hagan will end up the better, more valuable player.

Ugle-Hagan has already shown more than enough to prove he is clearly the best young key-forward in the competition, and rather than just being a mark-kick type forward (King/McKay/Wright) he is proving to be an excellent field kick too, in the same vein that Franklin was at his best.

For me, a top level key forward who can both score and provide at an elite level will always be more valuable than any midfielder, because they serve a structurally important role that is incredibly difficult to find. As much as people like to hype up Ablett and Judd as two of the greatest players of the last 20 years, I don't think either of them brought as much value to their football team as say, Nick Riewoldt, Jonathan Brown or Tom Hawkins did for their respective clubs.

The same thing applies for this comparison. Nick Daicos will be a prolific ball-winner and a quality ball-user, but in 2-3 years time, I suspect post clubs would choose Ugle-Hagan over him.

Nice ‘debut’.
People forget how amazing Jeremy Cameron was. As a 19 yr old was kicking bags in one of the worst teams in the game.
If JUH ends up close as good, you will have a great player.

 

[Conception]

Daicos is on track to be the best pl ayer of the modern era.
Maybe wait and see if he actually develops into a superstar first.

Maybe wait?
What do you think a prediction is you dill? The whole point is to call it ahead of time.

 

[Conception]

Nice ‘debut’.
People forget how amazing Jeremy Cameron was. As a 19 yr old was kicking bags in one of the worst teams in the game.
If JUH ends up close as good, you will have a great player.

Meanwhile people like you forget that it took many years for players like Nick Riewoldt, Jonathan Brown, Tom Hawkins, Jack Riewoldt, Josh Kennedy, Lance Franklin, Jarryd Roughead and more to hit their strides.

Was Cameron good in his debut year? Yeah. Do I still think Ugle-Hagan will end up a more valuable player than Daicos? Yeah.

 

[VinnieB]

Meanwhile people like you forget that it took many years for players like Nick Riewoldt, Jonathan Brown, Tom Hawkins, Jack Riewoldt, Josh Kennedy, Lance Franklin, Jarryd Roughead and more to hit their strides.

Was Cameron good in his debut year? Yeah. Do I still think Ugle-Hagan will end up a more valuable player than Daicos? Yeah.

Good for you.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[Blackhawk42]

Jhye Clark will end up more valuable than both.

My previous response to this was deleted by a mod because apparently it was 'injury trolling'.

Turns out I didn't realise he'd been injured. Was following his progress early on in the VFL and he looked to be struggling to make an impact. May have to wait another 12 months to form a better opinion.

 

[Taper]

If ends up being any good, he will ask to be traded to the Pies. Family are Collingwood FC sponsors. We’ll give you a 2nd or 3rd round pick for him.

Just like Tom Lynch who was a diehard Collingwood supporter who's family are Collingwood coterie members, yet ended up choosing to go to Richmond instead?

 

[VinnieB]

Just like Tom Lynch who was a diehard Collingwood supporter who's family are Collingwood coterie members, yet ended up choosing to go to Richmond instead?

But not club sponsors….
But relax, I’m only playing with you.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

JUH reminds me of Chris Tarrant

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a bit, looks great but he's a lazy kick for goal, would be better off in the backline imo

Can't see him rising above Tarrant's reputation as a lively but iffy forward and useful defender

Comparing him to Daicos is just rude

 

[VinnieB]

My previous response to this was deleted by a mod because apparently it was 'injury trolling'.

Turns out I didn't realise he'd been injured. Was following his progress early on in the VFL and he looked to be struggling to make an impact. May have to wait another 12 months to form a better opinion.

Very sensitive mod, because he did play the first half a dozen games in the VFL and to be honest, looked like he had a fair way to go.

Your comments were spot on. Absolutely no reason to suggest he will be anywhere near the same level as others even from the 2022 draft.

 

[Conception]

JUH reminds me of Chris Tarrant a bit, looks great but he's a lazy kick for goal, would be better off in the backline imo

Can't see him rising above Tarrant's reputation as a lively but iffy forward and useful defender

Comparing him to Daicos is just rude

Posts like this remind me why Collingwood supporters are known for missing teeth.

 

[VinnieB]

Posts like this remind me why Collingwood supporters are known for missing teeth.

You’re really sensitive aren’t you?
How many do those out west have?

 

[MJG14]

JUH reminds me of Chris Tarrant a bit, looks great but he's a lazy kick for goal, would be better off in the backline imo

Can't see him rising above Tarrant's reputation as a lively but iffy forward and useful defender

Comparing him to Daicos is just rude

Weird take. His goalkicking is inconsistent but I think he is our most natural forward. Even more so than Naughton.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Weird take. His goalkicking is inconsistent but I think he is our most natural forward. Even more so than Naughton.

Goalkicking is the most important part of being a forward, if you can't do that you belong in defence.

He torched us the other week but couldn't make it count, misses easy shots.

 

[Conception]

Goalkicking is the most important part of being a forward, if you can't do that you belong in defence.

He torched us the other week but couldn't make it count, misses easy shots.

How was Travis Cloke's goalkicking, champ?

If only Malthouse had a beacon of intellect like yourself giving him advice, maybe your mob would've actually won the flag in 2010... oh wait.

 

[H00t]

Meanwhile people like you forget that it took many years for players like Nick Riewoldt, Jonathan Brown, Tom Hawkins, Jack Riewoldt, Josh Kennedy, Lance Franklin, Jarryd Roughead and more to hit their strides.

Was Cameron good in his debut year? Yeah. Do I still think Ugle-Hagan will end up a more valuable player than Daicos? Yeah.

Hawkins and Kennedy took a bit of time to hit their stride. The others broke out at least by their fourth year. That means JUH has until next year.

He’s got some talent but got a long way to go before even being considered in the top forwards let alone top players in the league like Daicos is already.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

How was Travis Cloke's goalkicking, champ?

If only Malthouse had a beacon of intellect like yourself giving him advice, maybe your mob would've actually won the flag in 2010... oh wait.

I'm not the one comparing guys like Cloke and JUH to the unprecedented 2nd year juggernaut Daicos

Ridiculous thread, it has already aged badly

 

[Conception]

Hawkins and Kennedy took a bit of time to hit their stride. The others broke out at least by their fourth year. That means JUH has until next year.

He’s got some talent but got a long way to go before even being considered in the top forwards let alone top players in the league like Daicos is already.

Ugle-Hagan has absolutely shown he is clearly the best key-forward aged 21 or under, champ. No one else is even close.

Anyone with a modicum of football knowledge can also see he clearly has the tools it takes to be just as good as those aforementioned players, if not better. Even without scoring as many goals, he already has far more strings to his bow than the usual mark-kick type forwards (Harry McKay, Mitch Lewis, Max King, etc).

 

[SSSSSS]

Are people forgetting Buddy kicked 70+ goals in his 3rd season?

That was his break out year as an A grader. 2008 was his break out from A grade to genuine best player in the comp level.