James Sicily

[RoughysMullet]

Why are we asking for a week? Surely something this soft is only worthy of a fine.. For gods sake, never seen a bigger case of trial by media.. Enright does the exact same things a few year back and it’s a fine- what’s changed now? Anti hawks bias in the media??

 

[HedgeFund]

He was never getting a fine for going to the tribunal, especially for his second offense against an opponent on the ground

Priors.
Recent priors
Very recent priors.
Very recent relevant priors.

 

[HedgeFund]

Why are we asking for a week? Surely something this soft is only worthy of a fine.. For gods sake, never seen a bigger case of trial by media.. Enright does the exact same things a few year back and it’s a fine- what’s changed now? Anti hawks bias in the media??

Priors.
Recent priors.
Very recent priors.
Very recent relevant priors.

 

[Furn2]

Twitter saying afl is asking for a week ?

Is it them or us?

 

[RoughysMullet]

Twitter saying afl is asking for a week ?

Is it them or us?

Both parties have agreed on a week apparently

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Bloody Hell AFL.

This is disgraceful.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-04-24/in-the-mix-round-six

As per the above post, this article states that Sicily has been suspended before the tribunal hearing.

Talk about declaring someone guilty before the actual trial and actually declaring the outcome.

What if he only gets a fine? (like Enright and Hunt)

This on the AFL's own website.

Hang your head in shame, Ashley Browne.

Is this a serious post?

Sicily is done. You don’t get invited to the tribunal to have tea and scones. It’s just a matter of how long he sits in the stands.


Similarly, every dickhead with a microphone has been declaring Burton should be penalized for an accidental headclash.


Nothing that Ash has said is incorrect.

 

[asanque]

I don't understand this.

Gleeson: It goes beyond a stomping act. It's more problematic than that, and that's why this is a serious misconduct charge.

Surely stomping is intentional and worse than stepping on someone.

This is less than stomping, so why is it more problematic?

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

"Sicily not showing any emotion as the tape rolls on"

FFS

He should have gone the blub, usually elicits mass sympathy from people who were previously sinking the boots in (see Australian cricketers).

 

[asanque]

Is this a serious post?

Sicily is done. You don’t get invited to the tribunal to have tea and scones. It’s just a matter of how long he sits in the stands.


Similarly, every dickhead with a microphone has been declaring Burton should be penalized for an accidental headclash.


Nothing that Ash has said is incorrect.

Absolutely it is serious.

It is trial by tribunal, not trial by media.

Find me an example of where a respectable media organisation prejudges a tribunal decision.

Ultimately it may have been correct, but you don't declare someone suspended until it actually happens.

That is a tenet of basic justice. Innocent until proven guilty.

 

[Furn2]

I don't understand this.

Gleeson: It goes beyond a stomping act. It's more problematic than that, and that's why this is a serious misconduct charge.

Surely stomping is intentional and worse than stepping on someone.

This is less than stomping, so why is it more problematic?

It's the vibe.

It's all about the vibe.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Why are we asking for a week? Surely something this soft is only worthy of a fine.. For gods sake, never seen a bigger case of trial by media.. Enright does the exact same things a few year back and it’s a fine- what’s changed now? Anti hawks bias in the media??

Because it’s the lowest possible suspension.

 

[TheFourPillars]

I think common sense Is prevailing here it was dumb as shit but no harm was done admitted guilt take the one week

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Absolutely it is serious.

It is trial by tribunal, not trial by media.

Find me an example of where a respectable media organisation prejudges a tribunal decision.

Ultimately it may have been correct, but you don't declare someone suspended until it actually happens.

That is a tenet of basic justice. Innocent until proven guilty.

You’d have to be new to this game to think that a visit to the tribunal meant anything orther than a suspension.

 

[asanque]

We should have argued misconduct.

['If the act was considered misconduct, a fine would be appropriate. Serious misconduct, however, requires at least one game being missed.

Sicily's plea is clearly relevant.']

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I think common sense Is prevailing here it was dumb as shit but no harm was done admitted guilt take the one week

If we can get him out of there with a 1 week suspension I will do cartwheels.

 

[RoughysMullet]

Because it’s the lowest possible suspension.

Here was I thinking a week would be a worst case scenario

 

[asanque]

You’d have to be new to this game to think that a visit to the tribunal meant anything orther than a suspension.

So are you saying no one has ever been found innocent after going to the tribunal?

 

[Lotus]

The last bit is the most important.

• Tribunal chairman Ross Howie:
  If the act was considered misconduct, a fine would be appropriate. Serious misconduct, however, requires at least one game being missed.
  
  Sicily's plea is clearly relevant.
  dinny.navaratnam
  
  
  
  
  
• 6 minutes ago
  Relevant factors
  Sicily's advocate, Peter O'Farrell: Should take into account Sicily is 23 and has played 48 games.
  
  He says low impact seems appropriate, because of where the contact was and since Atley wasn't injured. There wasn't potential to cause serious injury.
  
  Sicily acknowledges the act was undisciplined and unnecessary, and is remorseful of his actions. He's been admonished by his coach and player manager.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

So are you saying no one has ever been found innocent after going to the tribunal?

When there’s conclusive footage of a grub incident off the ball, no.

 

[asanque]

Flawed legal strategy.

Should have argued the possibility of misconduct rather than serious misconduct.

No point pleading guilty to serious misconduct and then arguing a fine is a possibility.

Manufactured outcome and it will be a week for better or for worse.

 

[Jaeger]

Gleeson: It goes beyond a stomping act. It's more problematic than that, and that's why this is a serious misconduct charge.

A good lawyer would tear this argument apart.

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

Priors.
Recent priors.
Very recent priors.
Very recent relevant priors.

He's copped his punishment for those already.

 

[Thaihawk]

Completely agree.

Zurhar's intention could only have been to put him into the fence.

The ball was not in dispute and he knew he was on the boundary line.

Far more cynical thing to do than anything 'brain fade Sicily' has done this year.

It amazes me, NOT, that we're not seeing repeated replays of that cowardly action, which did have the potential to cause some serious damage. On the other hand, the video of a player jokingly, and stupidly, stepping on an opponents leg, which is a bad look for our game, gets played over and over, with calls for his head.

Am I to conclude, that the penalty for doing something that is a bad look for our game, is more serious than doing something that potentially could maim a player? The rules seem to indicate that.

 

[Furn2]

Deserves a week but under the current rules it's only a fine.

If they want to change the rules then do that but to arguing this is a week because the act was In fact worse than stomping is laughable.

 

[Manila_Hawk]

He got one week.