January 26th 2025

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Dogs_R_Us said:
The Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948 became law on 26 January 1949. The Act created Australian citizenship and the rules for gaining it. All residents born in Australia automatically became citizens.

So that anniversary has significance for citizenship ceremonies.
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I was wondering when someone would bring that argument that has done the rounds on social media for a while.

Firstly - you think out of 365 days of the year they accidentally chose the arrival of the first fleet as the date that act came into effect? A 1 in 365 chance eh?

Also lots of things that act didn’t change. Passports were still labelled “British Passports” until 1967. Australian citizens were also dual British subjects until 1969. Until 1984 non Australian all British subjects still had voting rights in Australia, and is still grandfathered for those Brits who had the right before 1984. Indigenous Australians didn’t have full voting rights until 1977.

The Act started the concept of citizenship but it still wasnt fully applied for a long time. And with pre 1984 Brits still having voting rights it still isn’t.

Plus I bet a “patriot” like yourself would be aware we already celebrate citizenship on the 17th of September as Citizenship Day, right?

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Carringbush2010 said:
I don't think this is widespread sentiment, you may think so from your personal experiences. However, unless you've received this ignorance from 100's of 1000's personally then you can't definitively state that this is the mindset by and large.

I can't state the other way either, except to say by my experience with strangers the average Jan and Joe don't have a punch down attitude on indigenous people, reckon society would look a lot worse if it were the case.

If that is what you're implying.
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Has anyone ever done a deep dive into why?
There's a reason why some see and treat indigenous people like they do. Once you figure out the drivers behind it you can tailor a soloution.
 

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Frank Bunn said:
How many different countries were there? Did they all get invaded at the same time?
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Happy to give you some education on this if you wish as it is clear your Aboriginal history is very shady.
 

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Carringbush2010 said:
I don't think this is widespread sentiment, you may think so from your personal experiences. However, unless you've received this ignorance from 100's of 1000's personally then you can't definitively state that this is the mindset by and large.

I can't state the other way either, except to say by my experience with strangers the average Jan and Joe don't have a punch down attitude on indigenous people, reckon society would look a lot worse if it were the case.

If that is what you're implying.
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I never said it was widespread I said, 'there were more than an ignorant few'. I have often said most people get it but there are far more than you realise who are just racist flogs. Yes, there are thousands of cases over the years I could count. Is there any other way to truly judge and understand racism against Aboriginals than personal experience?
 
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South of the Yarra said:
I never said it was widespread I said, 'there were more than an ignorant few'. I have often said most people get it but there are far more than you realise who are just racist flogs. Yes, there are thousands of cases over the years I could count. Is there any other way to truly judge and understand racism against Aboriginals than personal experience?
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This is what I'm saying.
 
South of the Yarra said:
Happy to give you some education on this if you wish as it is clear your Aboriginal history is very shady.
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So far you have replied to me twice and said nothing.

According the AIATSIS website, there are more than 250 Indigenous languages - each one specific to a particular place and people. Clearly these disparate groups across a huge landmass were not all invaded on January 26th 1788. For example, the Swan River Colony was the first British settlement in what is now Western Australia, established on August 12, 1829. Was that an invasion day? Some Aboriginal groups did not have significant interactions with Europeans until the late 1800s.
 
Frank Bunn said:
So far you have replied to me twice and said nothing.

According the AIATSIS website, there are more than 250 Indigenous languages - each one specific to a particular place and people. Clearly these disparate groups across a huge landmass were not all invaded on January 26th 1788. For example, the Swan River Colony was the first British settlement in what is now Western Australia, established on August 12, 1829. Was that an invasion day? Some Aboriginal groups did not have significant interactions with Europeans until the late 1800s.
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You do understand the strong communication system that took place between various Aboriginal mobs and how quickly word spread from mob to mob about the invasion. The majority of elders across the various country's recognise January 26th as Invasion Dsy. Anything else is just made up.
 
beside the seaside said:
As long as Dutton is leader of the opposition then it's not changing. If he's PM then obviously not. If they lose this election and the Libs get a leader with half an ounce of empathy then it might change. It obviously should change and the appetite is definitely there but Dutton would view it as an affront to some wonderful bygone era that exists inside his head.
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Nah the Libs only way back to power now is to go even further right

Dutton fails and he'll be replaced by another facsimile copy
 

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