January 26th 2025

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schneebly111 said:
That’s is a big deal. That’s the main problem with the flag is it is occupied by another nation’s flag.

And to give you a lesson on flag design any symbol in the canton (top left corner) is a symbol of dominance and power over the rest of the flag. This is because a flag in zero wind will hand from a flagpole with the top left corner above the rest of the flag, so the British used the Union Jack in the canton of the flag of all their colonies to say “hey guys don’t forget WE are the ones really in charge”.

It’s a disgusting thing to have in 2025



No we don’t. We can simply chose to not wave it and not care about it. Or we can burn it or desecrate it, use it to wipe our bum if we choose and that’s all legal.
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Are you a proud Australian?
 
schneebly111 said:
That’s is a big deal. That’s the main problem with the flag is it is occupied by another nation’s flag.

And to give you a lesson on flag design any symbol in the canton (top left corner) is a symbol of dominance and power over the rest of the flag. This is because a flag in zero wind will hand from a flagpole with the top left corner above the rest of the flag, so the British used the Union Jack in the canton of the flag of all their colonies to say “hey guys don’t forget WE are the ones really in charge”.

It’s a disgusting thing to have in 2025
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99.9999% of people could not care less.
 
MPMonkeys said:
99.9999% of people could not care less.
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The flag is not going to influence the federal election one iota when you have so many real issues like cost of living. Sneebles has shown his true colours!
 

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Sttew said:
Are you a proud Australian?
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Hard to be proud about something that is an accident of birth. To quote the late great George Carlin “you might as well be proud of being 5ft 10”.

Be proud to be a productive member of your local community, volunteer to help those in need and act as a role model for future generations. And not someone who thinks “patriotism” is limited to waving a silly flag.

But I must ask are those who observe the national day on a date when British people did something and wave a flag with a British symbol on it “proud Australians” as to me it seems their priority is another country?
 
Sttew said:
The flag is not going to influence the federal election one iota when you have so many real issues like cost of living. Sneebles has shown his true colours!
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Where did I say the flag is about the federal election? This debate has been going on at least a few decades and will continue into the future.

Btw if you’re outraged at the cost to living you must be outraged at Liberal party member Warren Mundine’s proposal for an “anti Australian” tax on those who chose not to “celebrate Australia” on Jan 26. Bet you’re real upset eh? /s
 
MPMonkeys said:
Because he was asked a question about it.
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No, he made a deliberate decision not to use them. That's the beginning of it.
If albo wears a KKK suit to a press conference, there's a chance he might get asked then about his choices.

Even this guy never tried making it an issue in that way AFAIK

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Sttew said:
Big ****ing deal. The Union Jack represents a quarter of the flag. Langer should have been more careful in how he draped it around him. Joke!!!!

Yes it is a crap flag but it is still our official flag. Until that officially changes we have to live with it

There are so many things that are crappy. The national anthem. Excise on beer. Luxury tax on imported cars (no longer needed because Australia no longer makes cars). The Adelaide FC song. Preferential voting. Trade Union corruption. Planning laws. Bail laws...

And you focus on the flag?
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If a flag is a big deal (and it sure seems to be for most nations around the world; the most immediate official visual symbol of each nation) then yes, giving a quarter of its surface area over to a foreign country is also a big deal.

Can you not see how ridiculous is is to say that a cricketer in our national team should be more careful how he drapes the Australian flag, because it might end up looking like a British flag? Not sure Langer's carelessness is the issue in this example.

I know I have to live with it until it changes. I'm just saying its a crap flag and we need to change it. Not sure of your point here.

The national anthem is also crappy, agreed. That doesn't invalidate my criticism of the crappy flag.

I don't focus on the flag. It merely came up in the discussion.

Bottom line, I think January 26th is a crap date for our national day but I don't march in protest and I take the holiday, but take no part in any relevant activities.

I think our flag sucks but it's not high on my concerns.

Ditto our dud national anthem.
 
schneebly111 said:
Hard to be proud about something that is an accident of birth. To quote the late great George Carlin “you might as well be proud of being 5ft 10”.

Be proud to be a productive member of your local community, volunteer to help those in need and act as a role model for future generations. And not someone who thinks “patriotism” is limited to waving a silly flag.

But I must ask are those who observe the national day on a date when British people did something and wave a flag with a British symbol on it “proud Australians” as to me it seems their priority is another country?
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Patriotism is the conviction that you country is superior to other countries because you were born in it.

It’s odd to be ‘proud’ of your country, as if you were somehow responsible for it. I’m pleased to live in a relatively safe and secure country, I feel fortunate to have the life I have, but I also recognise that it’s not the same for everyone and we should always strive to be better. Anything else seems silly.
 

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SBD Gonzalez said:
If a flag is a big deal (and it sure seems to be for most nations around the world; the most immediate official visual symbol of each nation) then yes, giving a quarter of its surface area over to a foreign country is also a big deal.

Can you not see how ridiculous is is to say that a cricketer in our national team should be more careful how he drapes the Australian flag, because it might end up looking like a British flag? Not sure Langer's carelessness is the issue in this example.

I know I have to live with it until it changes. I'm just saying its a crap flag and we need to change it. Not sure of your point here.

The national anthem is also crappy, agreed. That doesn't invalidate my criticism of the crappy flag.

I don't focus on the flag. It merely came up in the discussion.

Bottom line, I think January 26th is a crap date for our national day but I don't march in protest and I take the holiday, but take no part in any relevant activities.

I think our flag sucks but it's not high on my concerns.

Ditto our dud national anthem.
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Glad you clarified your position.

For me the Canadian flag epitomises what a national flag should be. Simple and distinctive. Instantly recognisable, and in no way divisive. If Australian can come up with something like that it will be a winner
 
Deliverance said:
No, he made a deliberate decision not to use them. That's the beginning of it.
If albo wears a KKK suit to a press conference, there's a chance he might get asked then about his choices.

Even this guy never tried making it an issue in that way AFAIK

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He was asked a question about flags before Xmas. He said that if he was PM, he would only have one flag behind him. I guess he is following through on that commitment now.
Not sure what the big deal is to be honest.
 
JackOutback said:
Patriotism is the conviction that you country is superior to other countries because you were born in it.

It’s odd to be ‘proud’ of your country, as if you were somehow responsible for it. I’m pleased to live in a relatively safe and secure country, I feel fortunate to have the life I have, but I also recognise that it’s not the same for everyone and we should always strive to be better. Anything else seems silly.
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And Mark Twain said, "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time and your government when it deserves it."
 
Sttew said:
Glad you clarified your position.

For me the Canadian flag epitomises what a national flag should be. Simple and distinctive. Instantly recognisable, and in no way divisive. If Australian can come up with something like that it will be a winner
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Absolutely with you there mate.

Actually it was a bit divisive when it was first instigated. Although maple trees are predominantly found in eastern Canada, the myth was propagated that there were no maple trees west of Ontario, so it was very "eastern-centric".

That died down eventually (presumably because it all took place in the pre-internet era) and I believe it is now one of the world's flags most loved by its own citizens.
 
MPMonkeys said:
He was asked a question about flags before Xmas. He said that if he was PM, he would only have one flag behind him. I guess he is following through on that commitment now.
Not sure what the big deal is to be honest.
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He was asked, because he was not using the flags. The issue began with his actions, not a question.

If you had lived experience of the horrors that First Peoples were subjected to, you'd understand the importance. Educate yourself and do some cultural capability training.
 
Deliverance said:
He was asked, because he was not using the flags. The issue began with his actions, not a question.

If you had lived experience of the horrors that First Peoples were subjected to, you'd understand the importance. Educate yourself and do some cultural capability training.
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Hardly anyone has 'lived experience' given most of the horrors that happened occurred more than a century ago give or take some exceptions.
I'll pass on the brain-washing training thanks.
 
MPMonkeys said:
Hardly anyone has 'lived experience' given most of the horrors that happened occurred more than a century ago give or take some exceptions.
I'll pass on the brain-washing training thanks.
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No, there are plenty of people alive who went through huge trauma, like removal from family, forced marriages and children being taken. Your ignorance is breathtaking. Educate yourself, speak with these people who have lived it and are still alive today. It's not some dark remnant from 200 years ago.
 
Deliverance said:
No, there are plenty of people alive who went through huge trauma, like removal from family, forced marriages and children being taken. Your ignorance is breathtaking. Educate yourself, speak with these people who have lived it and are still alive today. It's not some dark remnant from 200 years ago.
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These things all happened over a century ago with some exceptions up until the 1970s which basically is half a century ago now.
 

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