Player Watch Jeremy Finlayson

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Fine him and move on. This isn’t worth the hoo haa.

It’s clearly not a word that’s accepted as sledging anymore, plain as it is to see that was the intent. I do understand that the word is inherently homophobic and has no place in the game or an ideal society today.

I don’t agree with derogatory comments directed toward anyone for anything that is out of their control, be it religion, disability, race, sexual preference etc. However, I don’t believe in formal punishment for idiots saying idiotic things. I believe that their punishment is everyone thinking they’re an idiot and they’ve self-sabotaged whatever reputation they thought they might have as a decent human being.

I believe the only exception regarding punishment for use of language is if words are used to incite hate amongst a larger group of people. Some might think there’s a blurred line there but I feel it’s clear.

There’s my 2 cents.
 
dirty2 said:
Finlayson is Aboriginal?
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He is indigenous.

"Finlayson was born in Culcairn, New South Wales, into a family of Indigenous Australian (Yorta Yorta) descent. He grew up playing an array of sports including cricket, lawn bowls and tennis but mostly focused on Australian rules football. Finlayson attended Billabong High School in Culcairn and played his junior football with the Culcairn Lions in the Hume Football League, making his senior debut for the club in 2012 at the age of 16"
 
Doctor Feel said:
He'll get what he gets and he wont be that big of a loss - keen for them to just get on with it at this stage. Landmark cases like this will be the precedent and the AFL wont be seen to deem bigotry less than racism. He will get weeks.
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When he gets weeks Port need to demand answers. I dont want to see us just accept any suspension as it is unreasonable given the precedent set. Clarko got nothing and Finny gets weeks? Doesnt sit right with me and shouldn't sit right with anyone.

This would be like Webster laying out Simpkin and getting 2 weeks. Its just impossible for the AFL not to expose their VIC bias here. We already know it exists, the AFL won’t be able to deny it after this.

Also the whole trial by media needs to stop. They seem to enforce every decision the AFL make. This whole situation just shows the incompetence we are dealing with in this bush league.
 
I want to be careful here because i don’t want to get flamed here but the distinction for me is using an in appropriate word vs vilification. My personal belief is you shouldn’t be using words like Jeremy used. However the issue becomes significantly worse and worthy of a much more significant penalty if he knowingly vilified a person who is homosexual, vs using an inappropriate choice of words. The line becomes blurred where if you don’t know if the person it is aimed at is straight or homosexual. And that’s something that we will not find out because it isn’t any of our business. Realistically the afl has to treat it as if it is a vilification case because of this factor.
 
Ah12 said:
When he gets weeks Port need to demand answers. I dont want to see us just accept any suspension as it is unreasonable given the precedent set. Clarko got nothing and Finny gets weeks? Doesnt sit right with me and shouldn't sit right with anyone.

This would be like Webster laying out Simpkin and getting 2 weeks. Its just impossible for the AFL not to expose their VIC bias here. We already know it exists, the AFL won’t be able to deny it after this.

Also the whole trial by media needs to stop. They seem to enforce every decision the AFL make. This whole situation just shows the incompetence we are dealing with in this bush league.
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Who is going to demand it?

The FIFO president who was appointed by the AFL in circumstances looking more and more like when the Simpsons did a cartoon showing Trump as president.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

We will get faux outrage in public, then a quiet yes sir behind the scenes.

Why do people keeping insisting that there be fairness, what a stupid hic South Australian mindset.
Its about POWER and flexing that power.

Port wear the prison bars after the game, fk that, they are not winning another premiership for a generation, and everytime they bob their head up use every means to cut them down.
We've already stuck em with a very ordinary coach, but somehow they still looked good Saturday night.
Ok time for more flex, and if that doesn't work, umpire the fk out of them.
Just like Freo.
But make sure our betting partners are in on it, can't afford to annoy them.

And people still cough up their "hard earned" like cows in the paddock.

Enjoy the show.
 

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Brian McGee said:
I want to be careful here because i don’t want to get flamed here but the distinction for me is using an in appropriate word vs vilification. My personal belief is you shouldn’t be using words like Jeremy used. However the issue becomes significantly worse and worthy of a much more significant penalty if he knowingly vilified a person who is homosexual, vs using an inappropriate choice of words. The line becomes blurred where if you don’t know if the person it is aimed at is straight or homosexual. And that’s something that we will not find out because it isn’t any of our business. Realistically the afl has to treat it as if it is a vilification case because of this factor.
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I don't agree with it, because I don't think that was Finlayson's intent, but I think your last point is exactly how it's going to go down.

There's really no other way for them to handle this. Perhaps a reduction in penalty due to 'self-reporting' and apologising directly before it became public knowledge, but there will still be a number of games missed.

As a side note, I think the notion that one word is worse than another word is not something that can be factored into any penalty. I understand that 'f---t' is one of the worst, but we can't have a sliding scale of penalties because of how arbitrary and subjective it is.
 
Brian McGee said:
I want to be careful here because i don’t want to get flamed here but the distinction for me is using an in appropriate word vs vilification. My personal belief is you shouldn’t be using words like Jeremy used. However the issue becomes significantly worse and worthy of a much more significant penalty if he knowingly vilified a person who is homosexual, vs using an inappropriate choice of words. The line becomes blurred where if you don’t know if the person it is aimed at is straight or homosexual. And that’s something that we will not find out because it isn’t any of our business. Realistically the afl has to treat it as if it is a vilification case because of this factor.
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The way this is being reported you do get the sense that he might have said it to a homosexual player. Impossible from the outside to know whether Finlayson was aware of that or not.

I wonder if the AFL really backed themselves into a corner by, yet again, being so lite on Clarkson.
 
Brian McGee said:
I want to be careful here because i don’t want to get flamed here but the distinction for me is using an in appropriate word vs vilification. My personal belief is you shouldn’t be using words like Jeremy used. However the issue becomes significantly worse and worthy of a much more significant penalty if he knowingly vilified a person who is homosexual, vs using an inappropriate choice of words. The line becomes blurred where if you don’t know if the person it is aimed at is straight or homosexual. And that’s something that we will not find out because it isn’t any of our business. Realistically the afl has to treat it as if it is a vilification case because of this factor.
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I think the distinction can still be made after the AFL has investigated the issue. They can ask Jeremy his intent and they can ask the victim how they perceived it. If they’re not doing at least this then why investigate at all?

If the player is gay/bi and Jeremy was alluding to this then he deserves obviously a harsher penalty and vice versa.
 
It Just Is said:
The way this is being reported you do get the sense that he might have said it to a homosexual player. Impossible from the outside to know whether Finlayson was aware of that or not.

I wonder if the AFL really backed themselves into a corner by, yet again, being so lite on Clarkson.
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Did both Tex and Clarko aim their comments knowingly at indigenous players?
I can’t actually remember the details now.

Clarko was an official when he made his sledges and Tex was on the ground in an official capacity according to Tredders.

Neither apologised immediately or reported it did they? Or did they?

The difference in both Clarko’s and Ted’s punishments was quite stark though.

So what was the difference between the two situations?

And yes how does Finlayson’s compare?

Tredders says Finlayson’s was different.

There needs to be sanctions as a deterrent but how do they come to the decided outcome?
 
OneGreatClub said:
Did both Tex and Clarko aim their comments knowingly at indigenous players?
I can’t actually remember the details now.

Clarko was an official when he made his sledges and Tex was on the ground in an official capacity according to Tredders.

Neither apologised immediately or reported it did they? Or did they?

The difference in both Clarko’s and Ted’s punishments was quite stark though.

So what was the difference between the two situations?

And yes how does Finlayson’s compare?

Tredders says Finlayson’s was different.

There needs to be sanctions as a deterrent but how do they come to the decided outcome?
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Clarko's comment was ********er, not racist.
 
This is now dragging on longer than an episode of Blue Hills, which can't be good for Finlayson or his family, particularly given the situation with his wife's health.

I expect him to get a larger fine than Clarkson and probably a 2 match suspension, any more than that could depend on the Essendon player's evidence.

Re Clarkson who the AFL obviously went way too light on, average footballer, top coach, but in my opinion less than average in the human being department!
 
It Just Is said:
I wonder if the AFL really backed themselves into a corner by, yet again, being so lite on Clarkson.
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The AFL dont care if they are inconsistent or penalties make no sense or are fair. They just make it up as they go along and are answerable to nobody. So whatever they gave Clarkson makes zero difference to what they will give Jeremy.
 
It Just Is said:
The way this is being reported you do get the sense that he might have said it to a homosexual player. Impossible from the outside to know whether Finlayson was aware of that or not.

I wonder if the AFL really backed themselves into a corner by, yet again, being so lite on Clarkson.
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Why do people say it was light on Clarkson? He was fined $20k for calling another grown man a c0cksucker. Are you kidding? He didn't hit him, he didn't make him cry, I doubt he even slightly hurt his feelings. Why are people so quick to condemn an almost harmless, victimless act? It boggles my mind. What the **** is wrong with you all? Were you brought up in a teflon bubble?
 
Sounds like it wasn't meant to be a derogatory insult to a homosexual player, and was just a throwaway insult. In that respect the charge is use of derogatory language, and is bad enough to be scrutinised publicly, and perhaps even get a week for.

But comparisons to Walker's racism are way off the mark as he was using racist language to target a player based explicitly on their race. So in his case it was the action that was derogatory, not just the language used. The severity of that offence was much greater and warranted the larger punishment.
 
Peninsula Boy said:
I know this will be ignored because everyone has other things to discuss but I was going to mention his game on the weekend.

He did kick three goals so you can't deny that but I had the feeling that if he had a decent back man on him, three of those goals would have been stopped easily. IIRC he also muffed two set shots. There was also a give off to the captain that Rozee more than likely would have sliced through the sticks.

Finlayson almost plays like a small forward. He prefers the ball on the deck and kicking goals on the run and by snapping.

Basically I'm saying he left a few goals on the table and has some room for improvement to his game.
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I don't know what to think of his season so far this year, if he kicks straight round 1 he could've ended up with a bag, round 2 first half was garbage, second half good. Demons game poor, Bombers game I thought he was decent around the ground and ended up with 3. He's a very frustrating player to watch.
 

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