Player Watch Jeremy Howe

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Christ_JM said:
Swan probably the biggest improver in the last 20 years.
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Swan 2009 = Howe 2015 in terms of age. He was already a genuine superstar of the AFL by the time he was Howe's age - the improvement after that was minimal, he was already fully developed and playing at his peak. This is the point I'm making about Howe, and that the Pies must be pleased with what he produced at Melbourne because that is more or less what he'll produce at Collingwood.
 
Abba Lonie said:
Swan 2009 = Howe 2015 in terms of age. He was already a genuine superstar of the AFL by the time he was Howe's age - the improvement after that was minimal, he was already fully developed and playing at his peak. This is the point I'm making about Howe, and that the Pies must be pleased with what he produced at Melbourne because that is more or less what he'll produce at Collingwood.
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Swan wasn't playing for Melbourne in 2009 though.
 
Abba Lonie said:
Swan 2009 = Howe 2015 in terms of age. He was already a genuine superstar of the AFL by the time he was Howe's age - the improvement after that was minimal, he was already fully developed and playing at his peak. This is the point I'm making about Howe, and that the Pies must be pleased with what he produced at Melbourne because that is more or less what he'll produce at Collingwood.
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Why aren't you responding to the list I gave you?
 
jasonwilde said:
Well, to Dave it's not just a thread.

That's the thing. He has been quite open about his condition & if you don't respect that, then fine.
All I asked was what joy does someone get from trying to piss him off?
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Don't respect? Joy?

Shocking post, so someone has a different opinion to you & you try & paint them as not respecting Dave & they are just doing it to piss him off. So many mind readers today.

Ignore welcomes you, it's probably overdue anyway.
 
Abba Lonie said:
Swan 2009 = Howe 2015 in terms of age. He was already a genuine superstar of the AFL by the time he was Howe's age - the improvement after that was minimal, he was already fully developed and playing at his peak. This is the point I'm making about Howe, and that the Pies must be pleased with what he produced at Melbourne because that is more or less what he'll produce at Collingwood.
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I respectfully disagree.

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When Swan was 24 he averaged 24.6 possessions a game.

After he turned 25 he averaged 30.8. That was when he peaked.
 

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Christ_JM said:
So very pedantic
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I think the proof is there that players can improve at the mid stage of their careers in the same and different environments.
We're now just arguing semantics because we lost and don't want to look stupid.
 
Abba Lonie said:
Maybe so, but the point stands. At the age he is, his improvement from here is not going to go on a greater trajectory than it already has throughout his career. If you're expecting 40 or more goals from him just because he's moving to a better team you're kidding yourself.
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My comment was that Swan significantly improved after he turned 25.

That is indisputable.

Whether Howe improves after he turns 26 is unknown but we are all hopeful.
 
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suspect footskills said:
Apart from standing on blokes heads, what are this blokes strengths?
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Not a whole lot. Intercept spoiling is decent, as his his set shot from an angle. Just don't give it to him straight in front!
 
Tulip said:
Not a whole lot. Intercept spoiling is decent, as his his set shot from an angle. Just don't give it to him straight in front!
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It's hard to be angry with someone who's username is Tulip.
 
jmac70 said:
It's hard to be angry with someone who's username is Tulip.
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Don't know why you'd be angry with me. I've watched the guy for five years. The fact that his hangars are so consistent, he's probably the best we've seen in the last 50 years, means that he's played 100/101 games. If he was an excellent handballer, or a really good intercept mark, he may have found games harder to come by. As it stands, his greatest strength is so unique that it hides his weaknesses. The ideal game from Howe is up forward, with five or six marks, 15 touches and two or three goals. An ideal Howe game, or something close to it, happens three of four times a season. Unfortunately, even though he leads up the wing, he often drops the mark that he needs to take to be the next link in the chain. When he takes them on the boundary he dobs them, but then he fluffs his lines from right in front.

Not sure whether its a crack at the floral nature of the name on your behalf, but its in honour of Robert Flower.
 
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Tulip said:
Don't know why you'd be angry with me. I've watched the guy for five years. The fact that his hangars are so consistent, he's probably the best we've seen in the last 50 years, means that he's played 100/101 games. If he was an excellent handballer, or a really good intercept mark, he may have found games easier to come by. As it stands, his greatest strength is so unique that it hides his weaknesses. The ideal game from Howe is up forward, with five or six marks, 15 touches and two or three goals. An ideal Howe game, or something close to it, happens three of four times a season. Unfortunately, even though he leads up the wing, he often drops the mark that he needs to take to be the next link in the chain. When he takes them on the boundary he dobs them, but then he fluffs his lines from right in front.

Not sure whether its a crack at the floral nature of the name on your behalf, but its in honour of Robert Flower.
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Any thought's on why he's so inconsistent?

Is it a mental thing, or is it to do with how Melbourne have played of late?

Hope he goes well, but I'm not holding my breath all too much.
 

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