Player Watch Jeremy Howe

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WalterBlaknWhte said:
BenKen's tatt shocked me more.
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Could be worse.

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MarkT2 said:
Shane Kerrison was in the cheersquad. None of it means a lot in the end. I wish it did but it doesn't.
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Haha didn't know that about Kerro, thanks!

In Seed's case his love of Collingwood seemed a disadvantage to him. He was overawed. Wonder if his supposed off-field behaviour was self-sabotage - not really believing that he belonged with his heroes.

Hope he treats his opportunity at Adelaide seriously.
 

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wicksy said:
If it means so much to him, then let him be. Anybody racing to beat him (and let's face it... you'd have to be quick) is deliberately doing it to be a dick... Not because they really wanted to.
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I"m not sure why one poster has the special privilege of not being a dick for trying to beat everyone else to the punch, but everyone else who does the same is a dick??
 
Trojan Pies said:
Basically my point is, he was not a hard working player by any stretch at Melbourne this year. He will need to work a lot harder to fulfil his potential...which I absolutely hope he does.
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Fortunately if a lack of work ethic is all he is missing then that is probably the easiest thing to fix and provides the greatest scope for 'upside'. It is easier to address work ethic than it is to address a lack of speed, endurance or skill. These traits are relatively innate in players and harder to fix. Eg Tooves will never be a good kick, but his speed is natural.

Howe appears to have all the tools. He is good off both sides, looks relatively quick and as we know can take a grab. We can only hope the missing ingredient is work ethic. Cause if it is and it is addressed his upside could be significant.
 
Somebody said:
Definitley Seeds may prove me wrong and Ben Ken do so in the opposit direction. Howe I never saw except looking at highlight packages which can be misleading - eg Whitey's million dollar highlights. Ps I think White def improved last year and I think can go career best next year.
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And Howe's highlights are even more misleading because they're all marking highlights. Yeah we all know the kid can routinely take a spectacular mark.
 
with howe his marking is good and a nice kick for what little I have seen, but needs to show a lot more than he does
good thing he has admitted the same, so I hope he exceeds my fence setting opinion of him
 
Kinda excited at the idea that there'll be two sharks continually lurking that forward line waiting for the long bomb for a chance to take a speccie. Will be very exciting.

You have to wonder if Buckleys decision to recruit Howe (according to Hine he had been targeted for some time) is almost him conceding our disposal coming out of the backline and our disposal going into the forward line.

By that, I mean, we simply bomb the ball in both situations more often than not. With Howe being such a good reader of the ball in flight and being able to time his runs so well to take those marks, my thoughts are that he wants Howe leading up the wings in order to be able to nab those bombs coming out of our backline. Ditto for the bombs that come into the forward line since Cloke doesn't take contested marks anymore.
 
ClaytonM said:
Fortunately if a lack of work ethic is all he is missing then that is probably the easiest thing to fix and provides the greatest scope for 'upside'. It is easier to address work ethic than it is to address a lack of speed, endurance or skill. These traits are relatively innate in players and harder to fix. Eg Tooves will never be a good kick, but his speed is natural.

Howe appears to have all the tools. He is good off both sides, looks relatively quick and as we know can take a grab. We can only hope the missing ingredient is work ethic. Cause if it is and it is addressed his upside could be significant.
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Just have to actually address it, not fail like we did with Karnezis and Seedsman among others ;(
 
FYI.
As the Adam Treloar was well received, why not this one.
http://www.voy.com/51976/325731.html

Profile as of Oct 2015:

Jeremy Howe (Dodges Ferry / Melbourne)

190/86 25yo right foot (dual-sided) forward / utility

*STYLE LIKE: ??

*HURT FACTORS (Offensive/Defensive/Negative): MH / LM / LM

*TRADEMARK:

- (as forward) Speccy over an opponent or a pack
- (as "HBF") Quarterback - intercept mark (through backing his play-reading judgement) then a smart kick

*MAIN SELLING POINTS:

- Versatility
- Overhead
- Play reading
- Kicking
- Decision-making

*MAIN QUERY:

- Consistency
- 2nd efforts
- Somewhat too Predator
- Accountability

*SUMMARY ASSESSMENT, RECOMMENDATION:

- Versatile but historically inconsistent 190cm Predator utility. Made his name as a marking forward but, in that role, he's really a 3rd tall mainly good for a couple of speccies and maybe a goal or two a game, rather than a genuine key forward and IMO his best value lies elsewhere and in his general utility. If I did have to nominate a specific permanent role, I'd rather him as a wing or quarterback defender ("HBF") than as the 3rd tall forward.

- I struggled to come up with an appropriate "Style like ..." comparison. Which single "household name" player is a nice height Predator who plays forward in the mould of Russell Robertson, plays defence in the "back your judgement, intercept mark" style of a smaller Brian Lake yet is also a good user who moves well over ground and has attributes to also play across midfield?

- Most *noticeable* weapon is certainly his ability to take a speccy. His reputation has been built on that. 2 or 3 glory *moments* a game make for a great highlights reel ... but what about the greater majority of the game, the need for "meat 'n 3 vegs" contribution? I'm not as easily seduced by speccy moments as many people are. Especially if a speccy attempt is in competition with a team-mate already in good position and results in the opposition having an extra number at the spill. In applauding a spectacular but unsuccessful leap what often goes unremarked is correlation between the failed speccy attempt and an opponent actually finishing up with the pill through staying down and playing the percentages.

At the 2009 U18 Champs, he seemed young for his age, physically and generally. Didn't look anywhere near an AFL prospect even though 19yo at the time. Was very nondescript in that series other than just a couple of nice marks and a couple of impressive" vacuum off the carpet" pickups against Qld. He's come a long way since then but the more I've seen of him in recent years the more I've felt that he has still more to offer. I'm can't be entirely confident that he's committed / driven to getting the maximum out of himself but I view him as a work in progress rather than a 25yo "what you've seen is what (all) you'll get".

- He can certainly impact periods of a game but has probably been playing somewhat "cheap".

- With the notable exception of when going for an overhead mark, plays a bit too much as a Predator for my liking, especially (but not only) when in the role of defender. Too often lets others make the initial play. I don't expect (or even want) him to be trying to emulate the kamikaze style of a Joel Selwood but I do want him to be less picky / opportunistic in choosing when / if he'll go for the ball. Perhaps it's mainly a challenge of breaking a habit that seemingly paid off for him as a deep forward but, when playing in defence (or even midfield), you'll too often pay a price if you regularly let your opponent take the running (make the initial play). He's actually quiet competitive in "ground level" contested ball situations so it's more an issue of mindset than of skill or strength / balance or courage or whatever.

- As a forward, his reputation for taking speccies is well-deserved and he's certainly exciting in such feats. However, there is more to producing a commendable performance than spectacular moments in cameo. He has not been the type of forward to make mainly hard leads, let alone multiple leads, and he needs to work harder at rounding his game out in aspects such as this. When his speccy attempts come off, great. However, when they don't, often the result is that he's taken himself out of the ensuing play. (The downside of an acrobatic "fly from nowhere" is that you fairly often finish up prone on the ground).

- Must work on becoming more consistent - not just game by game but also within a game. Inconsistency is the greatest concern I have with Jeremy and inconsistency of ethic, especially 2nd efforts, underlies that. I suspect that iffy confidence has also been a factor in that inconsistency. If so, not being tied to the graveyard role of main go-to deep forward in a low-scoring, struggling team as he has been for much of his time at Melbourne is likely to help significantly.

- IMO he's a worthwhile pickup for Collingwood. The in-trade cost wasn't cheap for a 25yo with his CV and record of inconsistency but I'm quietly confident he'll rise to virtually another level within a better-skilled, better-drilled team with better development resources and at a club for which he has apparently had a longstanding passion.

*DISPOSAL:

- Dual-sided. Right footer but very comfortable using his left.

- Balanced, fluent kicking technique.

- Decent depth.

- Field disposal: Generally good - hand or foot. A strength. Field kicking is generally reliable. Very good at weighting a pass to a lead or even the occasional worm-burner.

Ball usually goes where he aims it but too often his set kicks out of defence have seemed pre-determined to hug the boundary, even if it means kicking long to a 1-2 or even 1-3. I suspect this may be borne out of playing in a cod ordinary team and with limited confidence in his team-mates all his AFL career and that playing in a good team, surrounded by more reliable team-mates, would give him more confidence to be more creative in backing his team-mates to get on the end of his kicks.

In a good team he would probably be a good option, skill-wise, to do kick-outs (albeit that he has alternative value as a marking target if someone else did the kickout).

- Goal-shooting: Many of his shots are set kicks after taking a mark. Given that and also his decent kicking technique, he's less reliable (although passable) in shooting for goal than might be expected.

- Reasonable mix of kicks to handballs (around 12.6K/20d). His field kicking is such that you'd be comfortable with a higher than normal rate of kicks per 20 disposals.

*DECISION-MAKING, SMARTS:

- One of his strengths.

- Good poise, "quick brain" smarts and vision, even under pressure.

- As a defender, he is frequently quarterback-quality in reading the play and backing himself to intercept and creatively rebound. Not unlike (a smaller) Brian Lake in how he is happy to risk rolling off his opponent to back his own judgement.

*HANDS:

- Usually clean (all levels). For someone mostly noted for taking speccies, he's also very capable of impressively vacuuming the ball off the carpet.

*OVERHEAD MARKING:

- Picture Jeremy Howe and what automatically comes to mind are speccies, speccies, and more speccies. Huge spectacular leap from virtually any angle, ability to "hang in the air", strong hands. And you don't take such marks so often without being a great judge of flight and timing. Some of his marking attempts are not only impressive for the acrobatics but also for "dare devil" courage.

*ATHLETICISM:

- Decent pace. Not lightning but ball-carrying capable.

- Seems to have a decent tank.

- Good balance.

- Huge leap.

- Good agility.

*INTENSITY, ETHIC:

- Not one of his strengths. Plenty of scope for, and need for, (mainly mindset) improvement, albeit that he's possibly lifted his tackling / pressure a bit recently.

- 2nd efforts are much too infrequent.

- Accountability doesn't come naturally to him. e.g. As a defender, he'll frequently be quite close to his opponent when the ball is a kick or so away so I suspect he often has the right initial *intent*. It's just that
(a) when the play "arrives", he's often inclined to let the opponent make the initial play
(b) he also like to back his own judgement - and he's often right, but the freedom he often affords his opponent in doing so comes with its own risks
(c) he's inherently tempted by opportunities to go for a big grab and some of those opportunities are low probability, high degree of difficulty, high risk.

*CONSISTENCY:
(see above)

- Probably the main concern with Jeremy..

*AFL VERSATILITY:

- Versatile. Has the capacity / potential to be *very* versatile.

- IMO his best role is "quarterback" HBF (albeit that accountability hasn't been his strong suit) or "wing".

- In a decent team he's *capable* of about 30g a year as a 3rd tall forward.

- If he can significantly lift his intensity (consistency of effort, pro-activeness), I suspect he is even potentially capable of being a 2nd tier (or at least pinch hit) centre bounce mid.

- On an appropriate (style and size) match-up (perhaps even a Jack Riewoldt?), I suspect he's capable of performing well as FB.

*CSI (COMPARATIVE SCOPE for IMPROVEMENT):
(see above)

- It's extremely rare that I'd suggest a 100 game experienced 190cm 25yo still has significant scope for improvement but, as I've indicated above, I do for Howe. Some reasons (not in any order):

1. Will be surrounded by better skilled, hungrier, more reliable team-mates in a better-drilled team at a club with a better "culture" and resources.
2. The incentive of competing to be part of a team with legitimate finals (or higher) aspirations instead of being able to take for granted an unthreatened spot in a team where a loss has been virtually an expectation most weeks. In summary, he will be more challenged to perform and is likely to be more motivated to be a more aspirational contributor to a more aspirational team.
3. He hasn't been developed as professionally at Melbourne over the years as he would have been at various other clubs.
4. Even though he's 25yo, he (not unlike most Tasmanian draftees) has been a latish improver. Although he seemed to hit a flat spot this year, he's otherwise shown at least incremental each other year since 2009.

*OTHER STUFF:

- Played 2009 U18 Champs as 19yo but overlooked for that draft then next year starred for Hobart as FF and drafted by Melb end of that year (2010).
 
PicaBoo said:
FYI.
As the Adam Treloar was well received, why not this one.
http://www.voy.com/51976/325731.html

Profile as of Oct 2015:

Jeremy Howe (Dodges Ferry / Melbourne)

190/86 25yo right foot (dual-sided) forward / utility

*STYLE LIKE: ??

*HURT FACTORS (Offensive/Defensive/Negative): MH / LM / LM

*TRADEMARK:

- (as forward) Speccy over an opponent or a pack
- (as "HBF") Quarterback - intercept mark (through backing his play-reading judgement) then a smart kick

*MAIN SELLING POINTS:

- Versatility
- Overhead
- Play reading
- Kicking
- Decision-making

*MAIN QUERY:

- Consistency
- 2nd efforts
- Somewhat too Predator
- Accountability

*SUMMARY ASSESSMENT, RECOMMENDATION:

- Versatile but historically inconsistent 190cm Predator utility. Made his name as a marking forward but, in that role, he's really a 3rd tall mainly good for a couple of speccies and maybe a goal or two a game, rather than a genuine key forward and IMO his best value lies elsewhere and in his general utility. If I did have to nominate a specific permanent role, I'd rather him as a wing or quarterback defender ("HBF") than as the 3rd tall forward.

- I struggled to come up with an appropriate "Style like ..." comparison. Which single "household name" player is a nice height Predator who plays forward in the mould of Russell Robertson, plays defence in the "back your judgement, intercept mark" style of a smaller Brian Lake yet is also a good user who moves well over ground and has attributes to also play across midfield?

- Most *noticeable* weapon is certainly his ability to take a speccy. His reputation has been built on that. 2 or 3 glory *moments* a game make for a great highlights reel ... but what about the greater majority of the game, the need for "meat 'n 3 vegs" contribution? I'm not as easily seduced by speccy moments as many people are. Especially if a speccy attempt is in competition with a team-mate already in good position and results in the opposition having an extra number at the spill. In applauding a spectacular but unsuccessful leap what often goes unremarked is correlation between the failed speccy attempt and an opponent actually finishing up with the pill through staying down and playing the percentages.

At the 2009 U18 Champs, he seemed young for his age, physically and generally. Didn't look anywhere near an AFL prospect even though 19yo at the time. Was very nondescript in that series other than just a couple of nice marks and a couple of impressive" vacuum off the carpet" pickups against Qld. He's come a long way since then but the more I've seen of him in recent years the more I've felt that he has still more to offer. I'm can't be entirely confident that he's committed / driven to getting the maximum out of himself but I view him as a work in progress rather than a 25yo "what you've seen is what (all) you'll get".

- He can certainly impact periods of a game but has probably been playing somewhat "cheap".

- With the notable exception of when going for an overhead mark, plays a bit too much as a Predator for my liking, especially (but not only) when in the role of defender. Too often lets others make the initial play. I don't expect (or even want) him to be trying to emulate the kamikaze style of a Joel Selwood but I do want him to be less picky / opportunistic in choosing when / if he'll go for the ball. Perhaps it's mainly a challenge of breaking a habit that seemingly paid off for him as a deep forward but, when playing in defence (or even midfield), you'll too often pay a price if you regularly let your opponent take the running (make the initial play). He's actually quiet competitive in "ground level" contested ball situations so it's more an issue of mindset than of skill or strength / balance or courage or whatever.

- As a forward, his reputation for taking speccies is well-deserved and he's certainly exciting in such feats. However, there is more to producing a commendable performance than spectacular moments in cameo. He has not been the type of forward to make mainly hard leads, let alone multiple leads, and he needs to work harder at rounding his game out in aspects such as this. When his speccy attempts come off, great. However, when they don't, often the result is that he's taken himself out of the ensuing play. (The downside of an acrobatic "fly from nowhere" is that you fairly often finish up prone on the ground).

- Must work on becoming more consistent - not just game by game but also within a game. Inconsistency is the greatest concern I have with Jeremy and inconsistency of ethic, especially 2nd efforts, underlies that. I suspect that iffy confidence has also been a factor in that inconsistency. If so, not being tied to the graveyard role of main go-to deep forward in a low-scoring, struggling team as he has been for much of his time at Melbourne is likely to help significantly.

- IMO he's a worthwhile pickup for Collingwood. The in-trade cost wasn't cheap for a 25yo with his CV and record of inconsistency but I'm quietly confident he'll rise to virtually another level within a better-skilled, better-drilled team with better development resources and at a club for which he has apparently had a longstanding passion.

*DISPOSAL:

- Dual-sided. Right footer but very comfortable using his left.

- Balanced, fluent kicking technique.

- Decent depth.

- Field disposal: Generally good - hand or foot. A strength. Field kicking is generally reliable. Very good at weighting a pass to a lead or even the occasional worm-burner.

Ball usually goes where he aims it but too often his set kicks out of defence have seemed pre-determined to hug the boundary, even if it means kicking long to a 1-2 or even 1-3. I suspect this may be borne out of playing in a cod ordinary team and with limited confidence in his team-mates all his AFL career and that playing in a good team, surrounded by more reliable team-mates, would give him more confidence to be more creative in backing his team-mates to get on the end of his kicks.

In a good team he would probably be a good option, skill-wise, to do kick-outs (albeit that he has alternative value as a marking target if someone else did the kickout).

- Goal-shooting: Many of his shots are set kicks after taking a mark. Given that and also his decent kicking technique, he's less reliable (although passable) in shooting for goal than might be expected.

- Reasonable mix of kicks to handballs (around 12.6K/20d). His field kicking is such that you'd be comfortable with a higher than normal rate of kicks per 20 disposals.

*DECISION-MAKING, SMARTS:

- One of his strengths.

- Good poise, "quick brain" smarts and vision, even under pressure.

- As a defender, he is frequently quarterback-quality in reading the play and backing himself to intercept and creatively rebound. Not unlike (a smaller) Brian Lake in how he is happy to risk rolling off his opponent to back his own judgement.

*HANDS:

- Usually clean (all levels). For someone mostly noted for taking speccies, he's also very capable of impressively vacuuming the ball off the carpet.

*OVERHEAD MARKING:

- Picture Jeremy Howe and what automatically comes to mind are speccies, speccies, and more speccies. Huge spectacular leap from virtually any angle, ability to "hang in the air", strong hands. And you don't take such marks so often without being a great judge of flight and timing. Some of his marking attempts are not only impressive for the acrobatics but also for "dare devil" courage.

*ATHLETICISM:

- Decent pace. Not lightning but ball-carrying capable.

- Seems to have a decent tank.

- Good balance.

- Huge leap.

- Good agility.

*INTENSITY, ETHIC:

- Not one of his strengths. Plenty of scope for, and need for, (mainly mindset) improvement, albeit that he's possibly lifted his tackling / pressure a bit recently.

- 2nd efforts are much too infrequent.

- Accountability doesn't come naturally to him. e.g. As a defender, he'll frequently be quite close to his opponent when the ball is a kick or so away so I suspect he often has the right initial *intent*. It's just that
(a) when the play "arrives", he's often inclined to let the opponent make the initial play
(b) he also like to back his own judgement - and he's often right, but the freedom he often affords his opponent in doing so comes with its own risks
(c) he's inherently tempted by opportunities to go for a big grab and some of those opportunities are low probability, high degree of difficulty, high risk.

*CONSISTENCY:
(see above)

- Probably the main concern with Jeremy..

*AFL VERSATILITY:

- Versatile. Has the capacity / potential to be *very* versatile.

- IMO his best role is "quarterback" HBF (albeit that accountability hasn't been his strong suit) or "wing".

- In a decent team he's *capable* of about 30g a year as a 3rd tall forward.

- If he can significantly lift his intensity (consistency of effort, pro-activeness), I suspect he is even potentially capable of being a 2nd tier (or at least pinch hit) centre bounce mid.

- On an appropriate (style and size) match-up (perhaps even a Jack Riewoldt?), I suspect he's capable of performing well as FB.

*CSI (COMPARATIVE SCOPE for IMPROVEMENT):
(see above)

- It's extremely rare that I'd suggest a 100 game experienced 190cm 25yo still has significant scope for improvement but, as I've indicated above, I do for Howe. Some reasons (not in any order):

1. Will be surrounded by better skilled, hungrier, more reliable team-mates in a better-drilled team at a club with a better "culture" and resources.
2. The incentive of competing to be part of a team with legitimate finals (or higher) aspirations instead of being able to take for granted an unthreatened spot in a team where a loss has been virtually an expectation most weeks. In summary, he will be more challenged to perform and is likely to be more motivated to be a more aspirational contributor to a more aspirational team.
3. He hasn't been developed as professionally at Melbourne over the years as he would have been at various other clubs.
4. Even though he's 25yo, he (not unlike most Tasmanian draftees) has been a latish improver. Although he seemed to hit a flat spot this year, he's otherwise shown at least incremental each other year since 2009.

*OTHER STUFF:

- Played 2009 U18 Champs as 19yo but overlooked for that draft then next year starred for Hobart as FF and drafted by Melb end of that year (2010).
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