Player Watch JHF - Jason Horne-Francis

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demondavey said:
Well we benefited from the system didn’t we? We were pretty pathetic when we drafted Petracca, Brayshaw and Oliver.

Your argument isn’t logical; if clubs only draft players that want to be somewhere then none will go to the bottom clubs, hence creating a bigger rift.

JHF hasn’t worked hard, FFS.
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To be fair, those 3 we're all drafted after Paul Roos took over and gave the club direction, they had a reason to stay.
JHF is drafted to a basket case which sacks its coach in his first year and with AC appointed then see's him standing aside over the Hawthorn situation.
There is hardly the same stability at North that Melbourne presented those 3.

You might suggest he stay and see what happens with Clarko but if it ends badly and Clarko doesn't coach then he's wasted 12 months of his career.

Its not an 18yr olds job to stabilise a club like North. They should be going after mature players who can provide instant on field leadership and success and with that will come the desire for kids to want to be there.

Its unfortunate whats happened to North with the allegations hanging over Clarko but thats not JHF fault.
 
PenfoldsFan said:
To be fair, those 3 we're all drafted after Paul Roos took over and gave the club direction, they had a reason to stay.
JHF is drafted to a basket case which sacks its coach in his first year and with AC appointed then see's him standing aside over the Hawthorn situation.
There is hardly the same stability at North that Melbourne presented those 3.

You might suggest he stay and see what happens with Clarko but if it ends badly and Clarko doesn't coach then he's wasted 12 months of his career.

Its not an 18yr olds job to stabilise a club like North. They should be going after mature players who can provide instant on field leadership and success and with that will come the desire for kids to want to be there.

Its unfortunate whats happened to North with the allegations hanging over Clarko but thats not JHF fault.
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From the sounds of it, JH-F was always intending to go back home to SA fairly early in his career, North Melbourne and their implosion this season probably did perhaps justify him wanting him out after one season, I personally believe he should have at least given Clarko a go and stuck around for another season (unfortunately that Hawthorn racism report and allegations has seemingly hurt North far more than it has The Hawks)

The rational/common sense person in me suggests there should be no real villain in this, except for probably David Noble, who actually made Mark Neeld look like a competent coach.

Hopefully its a clean break/fresh start for both Horne-Francis and North Melbourne.

I do not think Port Adelaide have enough defensive quality to make the finals again next season, so North still got a very very good deal in trade capital (despite what the so called media experts say)


David King being a D/H if not outright bully about JH-F all season, especially after he was traded is an indictment on mainstream AFL media.
 
Elmer_Judd said:
From the sounds of it, JH-F was always intending to go back home to SA fairly early in his career, North Melbourne and their implosion this season probably did perhaps justify him wanting him out after one season, I personally believe he should have at least given Clarko a go and stuck around for another season (unfortunately that Hawthorn racism report and allegations has seemingly hurt North far more than it has The Hawks)

The rational/common sense person in me suggests there should be no real villain in this, except for probably David Noble, who actually made Mark Neeld look like a competent coach.

Hopefully its a clean break/fresh start for both Horne-Francis and North Melbourne.

I do not think Port Adelaide have enough defensive quality to make the finals again next season, so North still got a very very good deal in trade capital (despite what the so called media experts say)


David King being a D/H if not outright bully about JH-F all season, especially after he was traded is an indictment on mainstream AFL media.
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Thats pretty much it in a nutshell with the exception that there was no guarantee that Clarko will coach when the trade period opened and he had to roll his dice on his future.
He knows what he gets at Port, there is nothing certain about Norths position.
 

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PenfoldsFan said:
Thats pretty much it in a nutshell with the exception that there was no guarantee that Clarko will coach when the trade period opened and he had to roll his dice on his future.
He knows what he gets at Port, there is nothing certain about Norths position.
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I think if Clarkson (and Fagan) were going to be stood down permanently from their coaching positions, it would have been announced by now tbh.

But yeah, the uncertainty around Clarko and his future probably did add to JH-F's insecurity at NMFC, who is still a kids in football age terms.

I hope North fans are mature enough and get some empathy in time why he made the decision to go back so soon, constantly belittling him and I assume booing him at games is not going to help (least of all try attract other OOC players to their club)
Hope they can move on eventually, life is too short to hold such a grudge/Ill feelings.
 
Elmer_Judd said:
I think if Clarkson (and Fagan) were going to be stood down permanently from their coaching positions, it would have been announced by now tbh.

But yeah, the uncertainty around Clarko and his future probably did add to JH-F's insecurity at NMFC, who is still a kids in football age terms.

I hope North fans are mature enough and get some empathy in time why he made the decision to go back so soon, constantly belittling him and I assume booing him at games is not going to help (least of all try attract other OOC players to their club)
Hope they can move on eventually, life is too short to hold such a grudge/Ill feelings.
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That is the most concerning thing for me in all of this, the fact that in the face of a young recruit, the potential future of the club that decides to leave, rather than say we understand and own who we are and how poor decisions have brought us here, they smash a 19yr old kid for not taking on that responsibility.
 
PenfoldsFan said:
That is the most concerning thing for me in all of this, the fact that in the face of a young recruit, the potential future of the club that decides to leave, rather than say we understand and own who we are and how poor decisions have brought us here, they smash a 19yr old kid for not taking on that responsibility.
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There is clearly a lack of proper structure and leadership at North Melbourne, and has been ever since James Brayshaw stood down as Chairman.

Really doesn't help as I say when idiots in the media like David King (who should know better) keep sinking the boots into the kid.
Where is the responsibility for the mental health and well being of a 19 year old kid?
 
Elmer_Judd said:
There is clearly a lack of proper structure and leadership at North Melbourne, and has been ever since James Brayshaw stood down as Chairman.

Really doesn't help as I say when idiots in the media like David King (who should know better) keep sinking the boots into the kid.
Where is the responsibility for the mental health and well being of a 19 year old kid?
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Kingy is the Vic equivalent of Kane Cornes, talks shit for the sake of hearing himself and relevance.
I cant remember the last time either said something worth consideration at length.
 
PrisonBars4life said:
I actually agree with this (sort of) should be 4-year contracts for top 5 picks, 3 for first rounders, 2 for everyone else (to give clubs freedom to cut spuds). Just spare me the faux outrage at someone doing the same/ similar thing that plenty of others have now that the shoe is on the other foot. Some of the more normal Crows supporters have been onto our board to congratulate us noting that this is the best thing that could happen for the Non-Vic clubs. 3 high profile players coming home in the same trade period. Port/ Adelaide are going to go really hard at Pickett (and the 2 WC teams I assume as well). Clubs should be afraid to pick our best young talent. Adelaide have had in the back of their mind for the past decade that anyone they pick is a reasonable chance to leave. It's widely accepted that Vic Country kids that live nowhere near Geelong are fair game, but you take Vic Metro kids at your own risk.

If there is discussion around rule changes. I bet you JHF is front and centre and Tanner Bruhn and Ollie Henry don't rate a mention.
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i have posted this before and will post again. We are gradually heading to similar rules to the NBA.

In the NBA draft, there is only 2 rounds. 1st round picks get 3 year deals. 2nd rounders get only 2 years.

I look at the 1996 NBA draft where it had Allen Iverson, Kobe Bryant and Steve Nash.

the money is interesting. Iverson was pick 1 and was given 3 years at 3 million a year. Pick 2 was given 3 years at 2.8 million. Bryant at 13 and Nash at 15 were both taken at pick 10 and would of got 3 years and 1.5-2 million a year.

Who ever was taken at pick 60 was given 2 years at $500,000 a year.

It is now the 2022-23 season. The NBA salary cap is 123 million. A tax Level of 150 million.

NBA Rookie Scale - RealGM

NBA Rookie Scale - RealGM
basketball.realgm.com

Crazy to see the NBA rookie scale of picks 1 to pick 30. Again, All 1st rounders have 3 year deals. So pick 1 is on 9 millon a year for 2 years then 10 million on the 3rd if the option is there.

Pick 30 is on 1.8 million in year 1, 1.9 million in year 2 and 2 million in year 3.

powerrrrrrrrrrrr said:
Not every young kid is going to perform to everyone’s expectations when entering the afl environment like a duck to water regardless of how much skill they have.

However that’s where leadership comes into it which North was clearly lacking this year.

Noble was well reported to have had issues with the playing group before he left.

They have few experienced and strong leaders within the playing group (from the outside), lacking a Boak type leader.

Club was falling apart at the seams and getting hammered every week from pillar to post.

Cunnington would have been an excellent mentor to have by his side each game and he wasn’t there for obvious reasons.

Then there’s the whole Clarkson debacle.

He will be fine and adapt to being in a professional sporting environment and surrounded by some strong leaders he can learn from.
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Yeah JHF didnt have too many leaders at North. Todd Goldstein is past his prime but still works and trains hard. Ben Cunnington had cancer. I am glad he returned late in the season.

Port Has Guys Like Boak and Wines as leaders. Boak is 34 but still has a year or 2 of good footy left. Wines has just turned 28. He easily has at least 3-5 good years left.
 
matthew_s said:
I'm sure there are absolutely ZERO freo fans bitter about Rory Lobb too right?
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some are. I am not. I just find it weird.... In 2022, freo had their 1st finals win since 2015. Lobb, Acres and logue played in that final and left freo. makes it worse they are all WA guys. had all 3 blokes were victorian, fair enough
 
Bunk Moreland said:
There’s absolutely no reason at all why he’d stay at North.

Port is home
Long contract / security
More money
Better team
They have a coach

Once Port showed interest it was the biggest no-brainer in the history of the sport, 100% of people would’ve done the exact same thing - and the rest are lying.
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Only downside compared to North is its in S.A the most boring state to be in.
 

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the Ziebull said:
Deserves any vitriol he gets

The scrutiny on this kid will be even more intense now
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I think in a year or so no one will give it much of a thought, except Crows and North supporters who will still be on their anti Port JHF threads typing away….

You go ahead and sit with David King and yell nasties from the sidelines - I’m sure it will make you feel better about yourself, it might even help your insecurities out.

Wines didn’t want to go to Port when he got drafted, his mum cried, he still hasn’t left yet, perhaps North should look in the mirror rather than blaming everyone else.
 
Rod Stroker said:
Those comparing JHF to Buckley are waaay off. Buckley informed the Bears upfront that he would only play there for a year, he would leave at the end of his 1 year contract. In that one year though, he busted his arse and earned the respect of his coach Walls and his team mates. Walls has said that Buckley was ultra professional and helped drive standards at the Bears.

The same can't be said for Cletus the pea hearted tossbucket.
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Are you North supporters ever going to move on and find peace or just keep throwing your toys out the cot.

The fact you have bandied together with the Camry Crows is even better. Perhaps you should merge?
 
I don't have a problem with him leaving per se. If he truly felt North was a bad place for him and he needed a fresh start, then okay i guess.

I can also at least understand him having form fluctuations and even going off on his team-mates....I imagine at struggling clubs the locker room isn't always the happiest place. Probably plenty of frustration building up that can lead to this sort of stuff. Fair enough.

But what I can't get past is the reports of him missing training and skipping recovery sessions and stuff. It would be one thing if he busted his backside but was overwhelmed by outside issues....you can easily see an 18-19 year old losing form and confidence in that scenario. But to not even make every effort to get the best out of yourself? I can see why North supporters are pissed.
 
doppleganger said:
Na, the Bears didnt do multiple interviews Buckley and decide to pick him as #1 pick.

He was gift wrapped to them through zone system, despite Buckley not being a NT prospect.

There was tension at the Bears because Buckley was too professional. Buckley should have won the BnF in his 1st and only year at the Bears.

Again completely different to JHF who was dropped and disciplined during the year.

Chalk and Cheese.

Des Headland the better comparison. A talented pick 1 who sooked it up, went home and never amounted to anything.
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Let’s be honest…… Buckley turned 21 when he arrived at Brisbane and had already played serious senior football at a highly successful club. It is a matter of fact that his Father (Ray) refused to have him join Woodville (his old SANFL Club) because he only wanted Nathan to play at a big successful SANFL Club (Port Adelaide have won 36 SANFL Premierships, 4 x Champions of Australia and had won 8 of the previous 15 SANFL Premierships). Nathan had played in a Senior Premiership playing alongside 14 Port Players and a Coach who had already played or went on to play (or Coach) in the AFL. He also won a Magarey Medal while at Port…….. so he had a brilliant grounding and was groomed by senior players (including Greg Phillips, Mark Williams, Bruce Abernethy) and highly experienced Coaches before starting in the AFL. To compare Buckley and JHF is a little unfair……. those extra 2 seasons of senior football, particularly in an experienced , successful team really does make a difference.
 

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