Game Day JLT Series Round 3: Port Adelaide vs Hawthorn

[Kil Phearns]

Anywhere between 4th and 12th wouldn't surprise me. Don't think this is a flag winning year - if we did win it this year, it would be a bit of an indictment on the rest of the competition imo.

 

[Roger Rogerson]

I wonder what would happen if we actually played through Schoey as an attacking player?

He's a decoy forward or a last resort defender.

Imagine he was an actual forward target or a rebound defender? We might actually have a player.

Given his kicking was hoping he might be pushed thru half back as a rebounder this preseason. Roll the dice with him as a mismatch for a small fwd or something and see if he can use his height and frame to create an advantage at times in games. He does do quite a bit of blocking up forward so is of value but would be so good to see him go up a gear as a key fwd or to become an attacking weapon.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Given his kicking was hoping he might be pushed thru half back as a rebounder this preseason. Roll the dice with him as a mismatch for a small fwd or something and see if he can use his height and frame to create an advantage at times in games. He does do quite a bit of blocking up forward so is of value but would be so good to see him go up a gear as a key fwd or to become an attacking weapon.

Would absolutely love schoey and ty kick 40 each this year.

 

[Fluro Boots]

I wonder what would happen if we actually played through Schoey as an attacking player?

He's a decoy forward or a last resort defender.

Imagine he was an actual forward target or a rebound defender? We might actually have a player.

Is it by design or has he previously allowed it to be that way? i'd love to see him hitting the footy not just when it's his turn but making it his turn. He's taken some good marks this preseason, hopefully he's set for a big year. I'd love to see him crashing packs, demanding the footy and just generally being a presence.

 

[Off The Couch]

Would absolutely love schoey and ty kick 40 each this year.

According to commentary Sunday there isn't room for both in the team

 

[Brishawk]

According to commentary Sunday there isn't room for both in the team

I'm not convinced there is either...I think the ending of the sub rule favours a better running team than a tall marking team. It might be different if two or three of our talls could take pack marks regularly but they can't.

 

[savagelunchbox]

I wonder what would happen if we actually played through Schoey as an attacking player?

He's a decoy forward or a last resort defender.

Imagine he was an actual forward target or a rebound defender? We might actually have a player.

Schoey would be a bloody dangerous KPF if he was allowed to lead. Unfortunately team rules supersede this and his greatest strength is virtually redundant and he's becomes a bit-part player.

 

[Off The Couch]

Which is why it's a shame he didn't take up the offer from another club.

I like Shoe but I feel he just hasnt been given the opportunity to develop as a forward and his confidence is shot

 

[beta_condition]

I'm not convinced there is either...I think the ending of the sub rule favours a better running team than a tall marking team. It might be different if two or three of our talls could take pack marks regularly but they can't.

Shoey has a pretty decent tank and can play at both ends so I can see them playing in the same side. We badly need to see 2015 finals Shoey.

 

[Agent Smith]

Is it by design or has he previously allowed it to be that way? i'd love to see him hitting the footy not just when it's his turn but making it his turn. He's taken some good marks this preseason, hopefully he's set for a big year. I'd love to see him crashing packs, demanding the footy and just generally being a presence.

He needs to be schooled by Derm. He can practice at the beach, drawing lines in the sand and then crossing them. There... didn't that feel good, Schoey?

 

[Beachy]

Honestly I would rather play Lovell or jor rather than Langford. Disposal is very ordinary. Time to use that as a development role for our mids. Give them game time


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[Brishawk]

Shoey has a pretty decent tank and can play at both ends so I can see them playing in the same side. We badly need to see 2015 finals Shoey.

I agree that he will play. I'm just not sure playing as a forward primarily is in the team's best interest. Half and half back and forward might be better. We are too short as a defence and if shoey can take what he has learned about competing in marking contests as a forward and do the same thing in defence he will do well as a swing man.

 

[Bumps"N"Grins]

Sorry to change the topic from everyone's favorite beefcake Shoey but I'd thought I would shoot the breeze a little about a couple of concerns coming out of the JLT series.
1. Isaac Smith is going to have to take his game to unprecedented heights if he is to get of the chain and dominate quarters and halves of football as he has done in the past. I just don't see who will be his partner in crime on the opposite side of the ground that will command enough respect from the opposing teams that is going to force a run with player to switch tact, Hilly did this and I'm not seeing enough from the likes of Billy (plenty of game time) or JOR and Henderson (limited time) to show otherwise. Tough year ahead Isaac and good luck with that.

2. Not that any team is going to lay their playbook or game style bare for all to see, has anyone seen any trends tried or implemented in part other than say running players through different roles or parts of the ground? The only thing I have witnessed is that when the ball is deep as in goal line deep in the backline, two players setup about 15m and 25m from the point post on the boundary line as release targets as not to concede a rushed behind and provide a certain amount of predictability for our defenders.
Other changes in style haven't been as evident to myself either because lack of serious interest in the JLT series or they just not there.

3. On my last concern I bring up the issue of our backline or defence if you wish. I have read with interest many post on here about our backline players being lacking in ability and physical attributes or just plain and simple cognitive function to play the role, all of which may be true in some part but for my part I'd say to say that some of our defensive issues during the JLT games need to be broken down into a couple of aspects rather than say this player is just a crap defender or the defence is just broken as a whole, for mine today's footy requires defence to be be played as a whole team unit meaning not just a back six. During the JLT game I have watched I don't feel that this has been a big concern of team management as this requires a lot more buy in from mids and forwards in terms of effort and for mine just not required in terms of player management with a long season ahead. What I do agree with many on here is to me more worrying is nothing either transparent, positive or workable surrounding the teams ability to transition the ball effectively from defence to attack successfully on a regular basis, now in saying this I'm not saying that I agree with all the chicken little's out there and have gone into the full sky is falling mode but my confidence has taken somewhat of a hit. So in wrapping, is too much responsibility for transition defence going to rest with Smith? point one or is there any evidence from what we have witnessed from JLT games or summer preseason training that would suggest that there has been a change in game style that is not evident to myself or captain obvious point two that would lift this burden from Smith.

 

[OzJohnnie]

Defense requires hard-at-the-ball, body-on-the-line play and that doesn't happen in the JLT we played. Many sides had players dropping with injuries from hard contests or high pace moves. The Hawks had no one.

I think that the JLT was mostly an exercise of getting some match fitness and learning position. Winning the ball was less important than remaining uninjured. So players were rotating through positions, facing different scenarios and positioning correctly. They weren't going hard at the contest (other than that first game where there were a few bumps and bruises).

I think it was apparent that we were trying to win the stoppages more. Mitchell, O'Meara, Langers and Shiels tackled like madmen. And cleared really well. I think we'll have a break-even midfield, at worst, out of the stoppages which will be a huge improvement for our prospects. If we're able to add some additional defensive transition pressure, which I'm not certain we have to if we can do better than break even out of stoppages, then we'll have a very dangerous team. IMHO.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

According to commentary Sunday there isn't room for both in the team

Whiulst Brand is out I think both can play.

 

[Dewnior]

Schoey would be a bloody dangerous KPF if he was allowed to lead. Unfortunately team rules supersede this and his greatest strength is virtually redundant and his becomes a bit-part player.

I think this is the most annoying thing for me.

For a team that places so much emphasis on flexibility this heavy reliance on ground ball wins as a forward entry tactic just baffles me

 

[crazywildhorse]

At the end of the day, Schoenmakers is a premiership winning forward.

 

[Argy]

I think that the JLT was mostly an exercise of getting some match fitness and learning position. Winning the ball was less important than remaining uninjured.

Agreed. I commented during the last two JLTs that they were bruise free affairs. I hope the tackling and physicality goes up a few notches on Saturday night.