Joel and Adam Selwood: High Contact Kings

[Rioli magic]

lol at hawthorn supporters calling opposition supporters 2 year olds...they were leading the free kick count on saturday and were still calling the umpires cheats for being biased towards geelong..

Case in point - nice paradox champ, again without providing anything to this discussion.

oh bullshit when people are talking about "ducking" joel selwood is the first name everybody mentions

Because he's received more free's from ducking than anyone else in the league.

it's not because he does it more often than others, or that he does it better

That's exactly why his name gets mentioned, by current coaches and legends of the game - see OP.

it's because he is a gun player in a team that has dominated the afl for nearly 4 years now

it's jealousy and you are blind if you cannot see that

This is all fantasy bullshit you wish was the case. No one cares about Bartel or Corey playing next to him every week.

 

[BONG RIPS MKII]

Because he's received more free's from ducking than anyone else in the league.

prove it

 

[LongBomb]

Not just the Selwood boys, but a fair few players in the AFL will throw their head back when any contact is felt. Some even endulge in the head giration which is the above in quick repetition.

I've watched most of his games and I've never seen J Selwood throw his head back when tackled.

 

[winty]

No. Rioli ducks his head to try to get out of tackles, not to try and pull free kicks. He sticks out a fend and then ducks under the arms and often succeeds. I absolutely agree he shouldn't get a free if that causes high contact, but it's not something he's trying to do.

That's all well and good, but I'd like to see you explain why he was ducking on Saturday before anyone had even laid a hand on him? Seems to me he was ducking to avoid getting caught in a tackle, rather than trying to get out of one.

 

[Hoops]

Don't take it personally Cats fans, this isn't a Bay13 poo throwing contest.

These guys go out of their way to accentuate contact. They don't invent it, but they make damn sure it's noticable.

Both are also hard nut players, but the free discrepancy shows how good they are at getting frees. It's no accident.

Joel draws high contact, he does not accentuate it.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

This is all fantasy bullshit you wish was the case. No one cares about Bartel or Corey playing next to him every week.

And yet this year Bartel has 33 ff in 15 games and Selwood has 28 ff in 15 games, hell even Hodge has 32 for in 15 games. Bartel and Hodge duck too? I'd bet most of Bartel's are for too high.

J. Selwood is 10th in the league for FF so far this season, A. Selwood is 4th.

Avg. FF per game for the season has Adam 3rd and Joel 23rd. Bartel 5th and Hodge 7th.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Further to my last post, here's the leagues top 10 players, in order, as far as total frees for, for this season?

Mark Jamar
Jimmy Bartel
Daniel Cross
Luke Hodge
Adam Selwood
Andrew Swallow
Jude Bolton
Lenny Hayes
Trent Cotchin
Joel Selwood

What's the one thing in common most of that list have?

 

[jerry springer]

They will stop it soon enough when they do a serious neck injury

They are playing with fire,I hate to see players do it

 

[SJ]

Yeah, every time he goes to ground he gets a free kick.

He is doing nothing wrong. He doesn't duck his head. He lowers his knees and as a result the opposition often slip the tackle high and get him around the neck.

It doesn't matter what he does, at the end of the day the opposition players tackle him high without him ducking his head, therefore, a free kick is paid.

I'm sure the umpires were told to watch out for it early this season, too, as he couldn't buy a free kick in the first part of the season, even ones that were blatantly there. They have been paying them recently, though.

If the opposition players went lower with their tackles and made them stick they wouldn't have a problem.

Perfectly put.

In the first quarter of the grand final on the flank there was a contest. To avoid the tackle Selwood squeezed underneath it, took some high contact but did not throw his head back (nor was he rewarded), continued running and kicked the goal.

The lower you get the easier it is to avoid the tackle.

 

[Lestat]

Further to my last post, here's the leagues top 10 players, in order, as far as total frees for, for this season?

Mark Jamar
Jimmy Bartel
Daniel Cross
Luke Hodge
Adam Selwood
Andrew Swallow
Jude Bolton
Lenny Hayes
Trent Cotchin
Joel Selwood

What's the one thing in common most of that list have?

None of them are Collingwood players?

 

[isen river]

It doesn't matter if Selwood gets paid a free for high contact or not, he still breaks the tackle and gets the ball out, the free kick is almost a disadvantage it slows him down.

 

[Rioli magic]

And yet this year Bartel has 33 ff in 15 games and Selwood has 28 ff in 15 games, hell even Hodge has 32 for in 15 games. Bartel and Hodge duck too? I'd bet most of Bartel's are for too high.

You may want to read my post in context before going off on a tangent - sarcastic eyes included. My point was questioning Selwood is not just tall poppy syndrome because he plays for Geelong as claimed, it's an observation on how he plays the game. If it was smply anti-Geelong, you'd think Bartel would get a mention too as you point out - but he doesn't, despite playing for Geelong.

 

[Spanish_Fly]

Further to my last post, here's the leagues top 10 players, in order, as far as total frees for, for this season?

Mark Jamar
Jimmy Bartel
Daniel Cross
Luke Hodge
Adam Selwood
Andrew Swallow
Jude Bolton
Lenny Hayes
Trent Cotchin
Joel Selwood

What's the one thing in common most of that list have?

I'll have a stab. They would also be the top listed players for contested possesions and clearances. i.e. the first player to get thier hands on the pill, which is why they are getting the frees.

 

[Marlin01]

There's no question that Adam and Joel Selwood contribute to the tackle going high, by dropping at their knees. It's been happening for years. On one hand, you have to respect a player that is willing to take multiple blows to the neck to help their team, but on the other hand, it's not in the spirit of the game. A player should receive a free kick when the tackler has been careless enough to tackle the player high, not when the player with the ball has deliberately taken steps to get themselves hit in the neck. The sooner the umpires wake up to it and stop paying the free kicks, the better off everyone will be.

 

[Paulness]

There's no question that Adam and Joel Selwood contribute to the tackle going high, by dropping at their knees. It's been happening for years. On one hand, you have to respect a player that is willing to take multiple blows to the neck to help their team, but on the other hand, it's not in the spirit of the game. A player should receive a free kick when the tackler has been careless enough to tackle the player high, not when the player with the ball has deliberately taken steps to get themselves hit in the neck. The sooner the umpires wake up to it and stop paying the free kicks, the better off everyone will be.

This is what does it for me, anything not in the spirit of the game is crap, squibbing for free kicks takes away all other glosses imho

 

[sgbn77]

That's all well and good, but I'd like to see you explain why he was ducking on Saturday before anyone had even laid a hand on him? Seems to me he was ducking to avoid getting caught in a tackle, rather than trying to get out of one.

Winty, with all due respect, if you watch ANY highlight reel of Rioli's, the central theme in practically every bit of play is his ability to run at speed, baulk, and change direction radically, again kicking off at high speed.

To do this dramatic change of direction you are lowering you centre of gravity and "ducking" as you put it.

For much of the ducking that Geelong supporters are accusing Cyril of, he wasn't paid a free kick for many of them, nor should he be.

When the game was there to be won, Rioli took possession of the ball, planted both feet, went low and changed direction....STRAIGHT into the midriff of a Geelong player. Don't get taken by bias Hawks fans on the day screaming for a free. That's the passion of game day. He went low and completely contributed to the contact, and the umpire saw it and waved play on. But Rioli wasn't running in to cause as infringement, he was baulking, and if he'd had the opportunity to floor it at speed out of the contest (like we NEEDED!!!), then it'd be yet another piece of Rioli brilliance we were talking about.

i think you'll also find that Rioli isn't anywhere near the Selwood's on FF stats, so pointlessly trying to bring him into the debate is just cheeky.

 

[BONG RIPS MKII]

i think you'll also find that Rioli isn't anywhere near the Selwood's on FF stats, so pointlessly trying to bring him into the debate is just cheeky.

ignoring your masturbatory bullshit, cyril had 5 free kicks just on saturday alone

 

[Angelus512]

How many years of convincing and excuses has it taken the AFL community and this board in general to say that "drawing" which is a less harsh term than "staging" (but its the same) for free's has become OK?

Seriously. Whoever does it whether they be at the Pies or anybody else is a knob. Play your game and if you cop unfair hits then get a free. Don't try to "draw" one as an art form ohh my how wonderful Joel Selwood is at drawwwwwwinggg those free's


Seriously p*ss off. Stager.

 

[winty]

Winty, with all due respect, if you watch ANY highlight reel of Rioli's, the central theme in practically every bit of play is his ability to run at speed, baulk, and change direction radically, again kicking off at high speed.

To do this dramatic change of direction you are lowering you centre of gravity and "ducking" as you put it.

For much of the ducking that Geelong supporters are accusing Cyril of, he wasn't paid a free kick for many of them, nor should he be.

When the game was there to be won, Rioli took possession of the ball, planted both feet, went low and changed direction....STRAIGHT into the midriff of a Geelong player. Don't get taken by bias Hawks fans on the day screaming for a free. That's the passion of game day. He went low and completely contributed to the contact, and the umpire saw it and waved play on. But Rioli wasn't running in to cause as infringement, he was baulking, and if he'd had the opportunity to floor it at speed out of the contest (like we NEEDED!!!), then it'd be yet another piece of Rioli brilliance we were talking about.

i think you'll also find that Rioli isn't anywhere near the Selwood's on FF stats, so pointlessly trying to bring him into the debate is just cheeky.

After reading that diatribe, it's obvious you didn't watch the game on Saturday, or if you did, you watched it through brown and gold contact lenses. Otherwise you would've known that:

a) Most the times he ducked on Saturday, it was after he'd picked the ball up and turned around to see a Geelong player closing in on him. He had no time to run at speed, baulk, and change direction radically, and

b) At least one of the five free kicks he received on the day was for high contact after ducking into the tackle, a fact acknowledged by Luke Darcy on commentary.

But if you don't believe me, tape the replay on OneHD tomorrow morning at 6.30am and watch the 3rd quarter again.

 

[sgbn77]

After reading that diatribe, it's obvious you didn't watch the game on Saturday, or if you did, you watched it through brown and gold contact lenses. Otherwise you would've known that:

a) Most the times he ducked on Saturday, it was after he'd picked the ball up and turned around to see a Geelong player closing in on him. He had no time to run at speed, baulk, and change direction radically, and

b) At least one of the five free kicks he received on the day was for high contact after ducking into the tackle, a fact acknowledged by Luke Darcy on commentary.

Firstly, yes I was there. As I always am for Hawks games.

So your issue seems to be the "run at speed" part, I see. You still have to lower your centre of gravity if attempting to turn on a dime.

And then you go ahead and mention ONE duck. Compelling.

 

[sgbn77]

ignoring your masturbatory bullshit, cyril had 5 free kicks just on saturday alone

Right, so they were all for ducking the head and sucking in the umpire, were they? No. How is your point even remotely relevant?

 

[winty]

Firstly, yes I was there. As I always am for Hawks games.

So your issue seems to be the "run at speed" part, I see. You still have to lower your centre of gravity if attempting to turn on a dime.

And then you go ahead and mention ONE duck. Compelling.

I mentioned one that he got rewarded for. He tried it again five minutes later but the umpire was a wake-up to it.

 

[BONG RIPS MKII]

Right, so they were all for ducking the head and sucking in the umpire, were they? No. How is your point even remotely relevant?

completely relevant

you cite selwoods ff stat, while conveniently failing to acknowledge the fact that rioli recieved more frees than anybody else on the ground

 

[Dawggin It]

Couple of points here.

1 - Joel Selwood has played 85 games in the last 4 years for 85 frees for head high contact. Thats 1 per game. Even if he is ducking is it that big a deal? Is that 1 free a game changing results?

2 - Even if the Selwoods are contributing to it, you still only get the free if you have the ball in the first place. You have to respect how good they are at getting the ball in contested situations.

3 - Similar to the Rioli discussion, if you are the ball carrier you should be able to do anything you like to avoid or break the tackle (short of a high fend off). Getting your centre of gravity lower than the tackler is one of the best ways to break tackles and they are well within their rights doing so. The Selwoods aren't the ones blowing the whistle, if you think they're ducking to draw the free blame the umps.

 

[real hawk]

cyril did it about 5 times on the weekend but you won't see anybody calling him ducker

all this crap about selwood "ducking" is just that

crap

it's nothing more than a manifestation of the jealousy other teams fans have of geelong

i love it

The problem is that selwood always get the free kick whereas Rioli does not, the bloke is a protected species and hopefully one day soon he gets knocked out be4cuase of his ducking.