John Cahill's interesting comments on Aboriginal players.

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where do you find the purple guys?

Melbourne






boom boom tish

 

[Partridge]

where do you find the purple guys?

Fremantle maybe? Cameron Ling's head? (although he thinks he's blonde now)

 

[Ford Fairlane]

This bloke coached Mcleod.

Yep, that'd be the same McLeod Gerard Neesham let go cos he thought he was too fat. The McLeod you see now is not the same as he was a dozen years ago. Andre Agassi was once derided as being lazy too ... "Trains on hamburgers" was one comment from a fellow tennis pro. People change.

 

[TheReason]

Unfortunately it is rascist. And whether you like it or not your comments add to the problem. Your ignorance of the situation and the subsequent justification of this type of behaviour is worsening the situation in Australia.

Fine, you personally find the comments racist but don't try and shove your point of view on the rest of Australia.

I've got a few "Racist" comments for ya:

Aboriginal's eyes (vision) are superior to White People.
Is this racist against whites?

However, aboroginal eyes are more susceptible to glocoma (however you spell that) in their 30's & 40's.
Is this now racism to aboriginals?

Mose elite athletes in the USA are black. Whether thats because the athletes came from poverty areas and had to do something exceptional to break the cycle, I don't know. Nevertheless... Black americans are superior (athletically) in every way to the White person.

Is that racist?

Kenyans are masters at long distance running? Is that racism, or do they have a genetical advantage in some area?


Racism is in the eye of the beholder, my friend.

 

[demondavey]

Fremantle maybe? Cameron Ling's head? (although he thinks he's blonde now)

He needs a hair cut really badly, his dome is disgraceful

 

[Ford Fairlane]

I don't believe so and yes political correctness does go too far some times. However many people are lazy whether they are Aboriginal or white. To say all Aboriginal footballers are lazy is stereotyping and insensitive.

I'd say it's lazy and insensitive to deliberately misconstrue Cahill's personal observation of the Aboriginal players he has coached ... but, hey, that's just me ...

 

[Sedition]

If Joe Bloggs off the street made a comment about a certain section of the community tending to be more lazy than the average I might be sceptical but if a bloke who worked with a lot of Aboriginals and I would expect got to know a lot of them personally as well as having had a bit to do with their families etc I would listen more readily. It’s easy to write off stereotypes as merely that and make all sorts of accusations but it is ignorant to do so. Anyone who doesn’t think there are differences between sexes, races, cultures etc is kidding themselves.

Perhaps the word lazy is inflammatory and a more appropriate expression could have been used or perhaps there is a failure on Cahill’s part to distinguish laziness from some cultural influence but Cahill would have seen first hand how the players he coached trained, played and to a lesser extent lived. He is qualified to make comment. If he was in any way racist I would imagine he would never have successfully coached an Aboriginal player.

If racism is largely borne of ignorance then so are failure to accept differences and overly knee jerk political correctness.

Perhaps but he didn’t say that.

Very interesting series on the ABC recently - there is NO scientific basis to race. It was the USA who invented the concept of race.
There is no difference!

 

[showdownhero]

Unfortunately it is rascist. And whether you like it or not your comments add to the problem. Your ignorance of the situation and the subsequent justification of this type of behaviour is worsening the situation in Australia. Australia has the worst record of any developed country for the treatment of its indiginous peoples, in fact the aboriginals have some of the lowest life inidcators of any country in the world. It is a disgrace.
I find it objectionable when the English refer to Australians as Generally lazy, arrogant, stupid or anything else. It is a generalisation based on race, thats what racism is.
Start accepting it and dealing with it. There are three types of people involved in genocide (yes it was reffered to as genocide by the cheifjustice of the high court) the perpatrators, the victims and the bystanders. All are equally involved. You are one of these.

how do you sleep at nights?

 

[TheReason]

Very interesting series on the ABC recently - there is NO scientific basis to race. It was the USA who invented the concept of race.
There is no difference!

If there is no difference in people, genetically from one Country / Colour to another... fine.

However, there is a difference depending on your socio-economic background.

Take an aboriginal player and what they have to go through, to make it at "AFL" level.

They have to break the grog cycle.
They have to break the "every one shares their wealth with every relative".
They have to break the mentality of blaming everyone else (where the laziness tag comes from) for their woes.
They have to break away from the cycle of domestic violence, which is rampant amongst the culture.
They have to break away from and ignore the jibes of "the tall poppy sysndrome".


The above comments are not racist. They are fact.

 

[Sedition]

Re-read what u just posted.

In fact v v v racist.

To suggest that aboriginals have "to break away from the grog cycle" is absolute shyte.

Not ALL aboriginals get caught up in grog, etc.

PS - Re Domestic Violence

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national...-on-north-shore/2006/03/27/1143330961246.html

Did RLT have to break the cycle of domestic violence to star in the 2005 GF?

 

[Sedition]

However, there is a difference depending on your socio-economic background.


The above comments are not racist. They are fact.

"The report, to be released by the Salvation Army today, reveals a steady increase in domestic violence against women in higher socio-economic families in Sydney's north....."

 

[TheReason]

To suggest that aboriginals have "to break away from the grog cycle" is absolute shyte.

Not all Aboriginals get caught up in the grog cycle. Most do, not all. More are in that cycle than other sections of the Australian community.

Have you had your head stuck up your *** regarding the problems of Aboriginals in Halls Creek and the impending "Stolen Generation Mark II" about to be implemented?

PS - Re Domestic Violence

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national...-on-north-shore/2006/03/27/1143330961246.html

That article does not back up your arguent. It says Domestic Violence is rising in affluent areas.

It does not say, whether Aboroginal Domestic violence is rising.
It does not give statistics (%) on domestic violence in different socio-economic areas or on Colour / Country etc....

 

[Sedition]

Hey

Your argument was that even though 'race' was not an issue 'socio-economics' was.

I was just responding to say that one of your examples of 'economic difference' i.e domestic violence is not the sole perogative of the so-called 'lower class'.

To say that MOST are grogged up is crap. Where are your stats?

Didn't understand your comment about "Stolen Generation Mark III".

 

[dsreg1]

If there is no difference in people, genetically from one Country / Colour to another... fine.

However, there is a difference depending on your socio-economic background.

Take an aboriginal player and what they have to go through, to make it at "AFL" level.

They have to break the grog cycle.
They have to break the "every one shares their wealth with every relative".
They have to break the mentality of blaming everyone else (where the laziness tag comes from) for their woes.
They have to break away from the cycle of domestic violence, which is rampant amongst the culture.
They have to break away from and ignore the jibes of "the tall poppy sysndrome".


The above comments are not racist. They are fact.

Disgustingly uneducated post

 

[WA ROO]

Have you had your head stuck up your *** regarding the problems of Aboriginals in Halls Creek and the impending "Stolen Generation Mark II" about to be implemented?

If the information I have seen is correct.The program will be run by the elders of the Halls Creek Aboriginal community.Also the children will stay in the Halls Creek Aboriginal community,but would be removed from alcoholic,violent and abusive parents.
How is that "Stolen Generation Mark II"?
You have fallen for the tabloid headline in the West

 

[MarkT]

Very interesting series on the ABC recently - there is NO scientific basis to race. It was the USA who invented the concept of race.
There is no difference!

Scientific? What were they looking for?

No doubt there is a lot of myth and a lot of it agenda driven over the years. Equally I have no doubt that some races are shorter on average than others and that some races are better equipped for some sports. Australian Aboriginals have probably lived here for somewhere between 20,000 and 2000,000 years. To think they wouldn’t have evolved some differences to English people seems unlikely to me. To say there is no difference at least physically can’t possibly be true. Culturally there are differences which translate into behaviour and they may evaporate if the individual is inserted into another cultural environment from birth but that’s all a bit stolen generation for my liking.

All I am really saying is that it isn’t racist to recognise differences (just as it isn’t sexist to say men and women are physically and mentally different).

 

[demon_magik]

Kenyans are masters at long distance running? Is that racism, or do they have a genetical advantage in some area?

I read somewhere that the Kenyans run so well over long distances because they train in an area of high altitude where the air is thinner. When they compete in lower-level areas they have an advantage as they breathe better there than they do where they train. Not sure if this is the whole truth, or any truth at all, but it makes sense.

I take your point though. In America certain sports attract certain body types, or people with certain socio economic back-grounds. e.g. basketball or ice-hockey. There IS a difference (however slight and relatively trivial) between the "races", trying to claim there isn't is fantasy. It comes down to tolerance. The idea is that people should be able to enjoy the wondrous variety of different racial backgrounds in the world. They don't of course, racism has been around a long time, and will not disappear in any of our lifetimes. But closing your eyes and saying "there is no difference" is helping no-one. Neither is oversensitive political-correctness.

 

[TheReason]

Hey

Your argument was that even though 'race' was not an issue 'socio-economics' was.

I was just responding to say that one of your examples of 'economic difference' i.e domestic violence is not the sole perogative of the so-called 'lower class'.

To say that MOST are grogged up is crap. Where are your stats?

Didn't understand your comment about "Stolen Generation Mark III".

Yeah thats fine, we disagree on points, I can live with that and I don't think any less of you as a result.

I enjoy being challenged, seeing someone elses point of view and if I've proven to be wrong, then thats great as well.


Regarding Stolen Generation Mark II. Aboroginal elders in Halls Creek have approached the Govt and asked that their children be removed from familys.

My guess is for the children to escape the grog cycle (parents unable to look after children and feed them), incidences of molestation are higher than any other socio-economic area and finally, to escepae the poverty cycle.

The below article is from 1993, conditions have markedly detoriorated since then. I don't have any links to the Elders asking

http://www.healthinfonet.ecu.edu.au/html/html_resources/theses/douglas.htm

"Halls Creek is a town in the Kimberley Region of Western Australia, with a population of 3,070 persons, of whom nearly 2,000 are Aboriginal. Fifty two percent of the adult Aboriginal population drink alcohol, most of whom drink at levels which is harmful to their health. The consequences of this 'problem drinking' has resulted in high mortality, increased morbidity, serious deterioration in social well-being, cultural degradation and a high incidence of crime and family dysfunction. There is a high awareness of the problem in the community and a willingness to address the issue.

In order to build upon the community action that has begun, the development of a program to assist problem drinkers is proposed. This has been developed through review of programs both nationally and internationally and discussion with drinkers and ex-drinkers in the community. Further, the health and welfare workers, who deal with the consequences of problem drinking daily were surveyed.

This research concludes that the treatment needs for Aboriginal problem drinkers are different to those of Non-Aborigines. While it is acknowledged that the most important and cost-effective programs are those of prevention, the large number of problem drinkers which currently exist compels the need for a treatment program. A variety of treatment options ought to be available and drinkers should be matched according to his/her need. Underpinning the success of the proposed programs is the need to address the drinker's social circumstances. A strategy to address the problem is proposed. This strategy includes: (1) The development of Family Health Workers to work with individuals and families affected by alcohol; (2) A program of minimal intervention; (3) Identification of problem drinkers and high-risk candidates; (4) Intervention strategies for problem drinkers, which include both non-residential and residential programs, and an emphasis on supportive after-care; and (5) Broad programs of community development."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200603/s1591008.htm

"Govt urged to address Halls Creek social woes
The Western Australian Opposition says it is time for the Government to seriously tackle the social problems and associated crime in Halls Creek.

A local Aboriginal medical service has suggested placing children in a boarding school in the town while their parents receive treatment for alcohol and drug abuse.

The Opposition spokeswoman for community development, Robyn McSweeny, says she supports that idea as long as the local community does.

But Ms McSweeny says something has to be done about the abuse of children in Halls Creek right now.

"The medical service, the Government, the elders, everyone has to sit down in Halls Creek and get something done because we just cannot afford to have any child of three years of age with sexually transmitted diseases," she said."

 

[Count Zero]

Come on fellas. It was just a badly phrased sentiment. Don't get carried away.

 

[Horj]

You are all blowing his comments out of proportion. All he said was that he had coached alot aboriginal players and he personally found them to be lazy, however if he said that he found them all highly motivated would that be racism. Of course not but he has still stereotyped a group of people. He has merely stated what he has found, that and he was actually talking about gavin wanganeen and how he found him different from other aboriginal players at the time.

 

[kahuna71]

Fine, you personally find the comments racist but don't try and shove your point of view on the rest of Australia.

I've got a few "Racist" comments for ya:

Aboriginal's eyes (vision) are superior to White People.
Is this racist against whites?

However, aboroginal eyes are more susceptible to glocoma (however you spell that) in their 30's & 40's.
Is this now racism to aboriginals?

Mose elite athletes in the USA are black. Whether thats because the athletes came from poverty areas and had to do something exceptional to break the cycle, I don't know. Nevertheless... Black americans are superior (athletically) in every way to the White person.

Is that racist?

Kenyans are masters at long distance running? Is that racism, or do they have a genetical advantage in some area?


Racism is in the eye of the beholder, my friend.

idiot, slightly inferior eyesight and limited athletic ability are not derogatory comments. Calling someone lazy is. Try harder.

 

[Sedition]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic...e/archive/1998/02/23/MN94378.DTL&type=special

It was a Channel 4 program. While spending ages looking for this link, other links appear to indicate concensous in the scientific community.

Ain't got a heap to do with football - read if u wish.

 

[beenreal]

I grew up with the Cahill's and know his relationship with ALL the players was such that he could literally say anything to them.

There was a speed drill one day and Jack's instruction was to run like you had a video under your arm (not unusual for Port Adelaide).

One unnamed player (whose initials are CCC) was barely jogging so Jack got up him. His reply was that he was running as fast as he could but had the video under one arm and a telly under the other.

 

[Sandola]

I grew up with the Cahill's and know his relationship with ALL the players was such that he could literally say anything to them.

There was a speed drill one day and Jack's instruction was to run like you had a video under your arm (not unusual for Port Adelaide).

One unnamed player (whose initials are CCC) was barely jogging so Jack got up him. His reply was that he was running as fast as he could but had the video under one arm and a telly under the other.

Viva Che!

 

[Faithful Hawk]

Unfortunately it is rascist. And whether you like it or not your comments add to the problem. Your ignorance of the situation and the subsequent justification of this type of behaviour is worsening the situation in Australia. Australia has the worst record of any developed country for the treatment of its indiginous peoples, in fact the aboriginals have some of the lowest life inidcators of any country in the world. It is a disgrace.
I find it objectionable when the English refer to Australians as Generally lazy, arrogant, stupid or anything else. It is a generalisation based on race, thats what racism is.
Start accepting it and dealing with it. There are three types of people involved in genocide (yes it was reffered to as genocide by the cheifjustice of the high court) the perpatrators, the victims and the bystanders. All are equally involved. You are one of these.

Which one are you then ???

Where in the great land of Australia do actually live ???
How many aboriginal communities have you ever visited ???
How many friends do you have that are aboriginal's ????
How many aboriginal football players have you ever played with ????

Please explain what you are basing your very astute comments on, and I hope it is not only on what you have read and heard because if it is you really need to open your eye's.