John McCarthy passes away in Las Vegas. RIP

[Off Tap]

Is that it, is that all you have to reply with?

What I said is the truth. Do I agree with this?

No, but it's the truth.

 

[Jentleman Geff]

In what way?

By the puritanical extremists that infest this thread?

The only puritanical extremist here is you, with your insane zeal for drugs.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

The only puritanical extremist here is you, with your insane zeal for drugs.

A classic extremist response.

 

[Jentleman Geff]

A classic extremist response.

Erm, I'm not the one with a dogged obsession with drugs.

 

[Chewy]

It's only relevant to soap opera fans such as yourself.

What are you talking about? I've consciously avoided nearly all media coverage of this event because it sickens me how people treat this stuff as entertainment.

1. I posted a brief message of condolence in this thread when his death was confirmed.
2. About three days later, I googled the actual story that gave a full account of the events once they figured out what had happened. I skimmed a couple of articles and read one full article.
3. I sneered at those clowns on 360' as they pretended to be non-ghouls, while giving their daily updates on what the Collingwood players were "going through", plus their tabloid coverage of the funeral. (I would leave the room and make a cuppa)
4. I opened this thread to see why it had been bumped, quickly gleaned the toxicology report had been completed, but details had not been revealed and then I read your foolish post.

And that's it. I never watched the nightly news. I never gossiped about it with anyone. I probably consumed less media coverage of this story than 99.9% of people on this website. But that doesn't mean I think the story should be suppressed if he was high on drugs. That is news, whether you like it or not.

I made the comment that it is more newsworthy to know if drugs were in his system when he died (and what types) than ANY of the other BULLSHIT which has been written about this tragic story. It seems incredible to me that his death & funeral were turned into a media circus and this was somehow in the public interest, but all of a sudden it's not okay to learn more about why it actually happened. That's just crazy.

As for you labeling people as "puritanical extremists" for wanting to know what he'd taken, it sounds to me like maybe you should stick to your own soap operas instead of posting in this thread, you drama queen.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Ummm no. Well before all of this the Vegas police announced that they do not release toxicology records and that it is up to the parents to release the toxicology records.

I think we all know they won't for obvious reasons... because if there were no drugs found in his system they would release them to clear the speculation.

Different USA jurisdictions ( and worldwide) do different things. Most will release the results to the public if drugs are the main driver of death. That's what the NYC medical examiner did he released Ledger's results not the full report. My mistake, as I said the report was released in my previous post, but it was a summary of the results that were released.

In LA, the coroner released Whitney Houston's full autopsy and toxicology report. If you dig around you will find a copy online.

Why would the parents release the reports?? You reckon they are saying we have to clear up all the speculation on big footy and the internet? Doesn't matter what the reports said, they don't need to deal with this publicly again and open up old wounds. Port will play Collingwood sometime next year and all the old wounds will be opened up again and will be raw then. That will be hard enough to deal with. Releasing the report wont bring their son back.

 

[Doss]

The parents owe it to no one to release the report, no matter what the findings in it are. In the end, it makes no difference to them anyway- their son isn't coming back.

People are still effectively saying 1+1=3- "if they aren't releasing the report then it proves there MUST be something untoward", when such a conclusion cannot be drawn so easily.

McCarthy was 'famous' on account of being a footballer- his parents are just ordinary people, however, ordinary people who happened to have a child who was talented enough to play football at the highest level. Is it so hard to imagine that, just perhaps, they are sick of the attention and just want to attempt to live their lives with some semblance of privacy and normality?

Apparently, for some people here, it actually is hard to imagine that.

 

[nineteen eighty]

None of these factors point toward anything, though. They're all just unfortunate, but relatively normal, events. I'm pretty sure most young adults have been separated from their mates when they've gone out, most of us have made a drunken call to a chick, and he was just disoriented and tired and possibly jet lagged in a weird city. It was a sad accident.

Even if he'd snorted coke from the **** of Rupert Murdoch's old girl, it's not the business of the public to know. The coroner ruled one thing, and those results won't be made public, because they're irrelevant. There's no conspiracy and there's no point debating it.

It's just a very sad accident. Close thread.

I agree with all of your points!!!!! Absolutely no-ones business other than the family's.

And both arms and legs are up for the bolded!!

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

Erm, I'm not the one with a dogged obsession with drugs.

The family's need for dignity and closure, far exceeds your need to satiate your voyeuristic lust with the sensationalist musings of the gutter press.

 

[Jentleman Geff]

The family's need for dignity and closure, far exceeds your need to satiate your voyeuristic lust with the sensationalist musings of the gutter press.

You're making some odd accusations here, Teffy. I don't care whether he did drugs or not. Frankly, his means of intoxication are immaterial.

You said this:

Drugs and booze have **** all to do with any of this.

Do a million Australians throw themselves out of windows every weekend?

It's just an angle that parasites like to utilise in order to play the delusional role of moral superiors.

It's morons that think like this that keep this country in the cultural dark ages.

Really? Booze has nothing to do with his death? Sounds to me his intoxication (and whatever that was, it doesn't matter, but it was most probably too many drinks) played a big part in his death. As alcohol often does.

You want to get on your high horse because you have an obsession with drugs and want to push a political barrow. That's fine. It's a bit disturbing you want to do so in a thread about a person that has passed on, but it's fine. But don't go around espousing bullshit that alcohol is harmless. It isn't.

 

[JackOutback]

I'll never stop being amazed by the general public's insistence on trying to talk authoritatively about things that they have no way of knowing about.

McCarthy's death was ruled an accident. The toxicology report wasn't released because it wasn't considered relevant, and it wasn't, because he was killed by a fall, not from anything in his system. Idiots trying to put two and two together to make 22 by claiming that it must have been drugs or suicide have no idea and are just trying to bignote themselves and their opinions at the expense of a person who's no longer around to defend himself.

Saying drugs and alcohol aren't relevant because he died from a fall is akin to saying the amount of alcohol in a car crash driver's system isn't relevant because he was killed by the impact. I think it's pretty safe to say that a sober person wouldn't have done what he did, so drugs or alcohol were likely a factor.

Whether we need to know is another issue, but unfortunately, not everyone gets to choose whether or not they are in the public eye.

 

[typeclub]

People already think that drugs had an influence. If the report said drugs weren't the influence they would've released it to set the record straight. If it never gets released it will be obvious that drugs did play a part.

 

[Oh Darling]

... Or maybe they won't because it's none of the rest of the worlds business, nor would the family have any interest in entering the public domain for such a topic in light of the situation they're still coping with. Give it a break.

If somebody in your family died would you make the toxicology report public? Of course not.. Why would this be any different? And don't say 'because it's in the public eye' because it wasn't any choice of theirs to have to deal with this in the public domain - nor would it be yours if you were in mourning also.

haha what. Of course I would make the toxicology report public if my son was publicly speculated of being a druggie and dying as a result of it.... and he was innocent.

No parent in their right mind would allow their child's reputation and memory be forever soiled... if they were innocent. If he was clean why wouldn't they release toxicology reports that show nothing? It shows nothing so there is nothing to be worried about.

I think we can all be pretty certain he had more drugs in his system than Hulk Hogan.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Where are the mods?

Why is this still open?

 

[AM]

It's terribly sad for his family and loved ones to lose someone at such a young age, whatever the circumstances.

That said, I find it much harder to understand the outpouring of public emotion from people who didn't know him. It wasn't a Jill Meagher circumstance. His passing was of his own making.

 

[Nickos66]

haha what. Of course I would make the toxicology report public if my son was publicly speculated of being a druggie and dying as a result of it.... and he was innocent.

No parent in their right mind would allow their child's reputation and memory be forever soiled... if they were innocent. If he was clean why wouldn't they release toxicology reports that show nothing? It shows nothing so there is nothing to be worried about.

I think we can all be pretty certain he had more drugs in his system than Hulk Hogan.

You're still not getting it, who's speculating? half a dozen childish keyboard warriors on a forum somewhere in cyberspace that they don't even know about? Yeah, shame on them for not releasing it for your judgmental satisfaction. I'm sure it's keeping them awake at night..

They don't know about you, sadly, so let it go.

 

[tugga]

I think this matter is now closed. Let John RIP and allow his family the chance to move on. Closed.