Jono Brown - his 'leadership'

[Chopperdave]

Philosophical rubbish. Hawthorn just had the best player in the league walk out on them after winning a flag. We had Headland walk out after a flag with Voss as captain. He's also volunteered to give up the captaincy (which was decided against by the coaching staff), taken a pay cut and represented our club in a pretty trying time for us.

I'll say it one more time - nobody does more for the club than Brown. This is on AND off field in case I wasn't clear about that. Not sure why you can't grasp this concept but I'll stop repeating myself now. If you've got more than 'it could be his fault but I don't know and neither do you' to add, maybe with a source or reasoning to strengthen your argument then hit me up.

Ok well then give some examples of how Brown has helped off the field when the Fev issues were happening. Or when Bradshaw left, or Clark, or all the players this year. Your saying I have to back up my statements? Your the one making actual statements. All I am saying is that when shit like this goes down it does reflect on leadership. A captain is just as much a leader as a coach and management what happens under his watch is a direct reflection of that.

 

[jerry springer]

one thing that he needs to work on is his tacking pressure in his own forward 50

he sets a extremely poor example

 

[Happy_Neale]

Ok well then give some examples of how Brown has helped off the field when the Fev issues were happening. Or when Bradshaw left, or Clark, or all the players this year. Your saying I have to back up my statements? Your the one making actual statements. All I am saying is that when shit like this goes down it does reflect on leadership. A captain is just as much a leader as a coach and management what happens under his watch is a direct reflection of that.

Actually I'm not, the OP is. I'm saying there is no way anybody could know about what went down in the incidents you mentioned unless you're inside the club. You're more than happy to assume he failed as a leader though which - on available evidence from the rest of his career at the club - seems inaccurate.

 

[Tippett2Goal]

Something is terribly wrong at Brisbane

The problem is they drafted a bunch of whinging inner city kids who cant deal with being away from home.
Their recruiting department will learn form this and favour country kids in the future.

 

[Deefolt]

I have seen worse threads... not many... but I am sure they're out there

 

[Deefolt]

No I simply think it's ironic that a Melbourne fan is saying another club has a culture problem. Glass houses, stones. Do I need to say more? The culture of your club is literally threatening it's existence...but anyway.


You can have him, if you knock him out, tie him up, gag him and throw him the boot. Because that's the only way you'll get him to leave the Lions, let alone go to MFC. You won't get rid of Pick #2 because no elite player is that stupid.

how does it matter what a melbourne fan thinks? despite what club we follow we can see there is an issue at brisbane... Melbourne had a massive issue... hence why about 5 out of 20 people left at the club in any power

Brisbane HAS an issue... just ask Leigh

 

[Demonheart]

No I simply think it's ironic that a Melbourne fan is saying another club has a culture problem. Glass houses, stones. Do I need to say more? The culture of your club is literally threatening it's existence...but anyway.


You can have him, if you knock him out, tie him up, gag him and throw him the boot. Because that's the only way you'll get him to leave the Lions, let alone go to MFC. You won't get rid of Pick #2 because no elite player is that stupid.

The only argument you have is trying to say that another club is worse than yours.

It's because of this that makes your replies so good.

 

[Demonheart]

The problem is they drafted a bunch of whinging inner city kids who cant deal with being away from home.
Their recruiting department will learn form this and favour country kids in the future.

That's a cop out, they're leaving the club because they're not happy there, to suggest it's because they're from a city is laughable

 

[Happy_Neale]

That's a cop out, they're leaving the club because they're not happy there, to suggest it's because they're from a city is laughable

Well two of their managers say they are leaving Brisbane because the city is 'too insular' so who's to say that's not the case?

 

[Stratton_Gun]

Always thought he was overated tbh. Good player but not a star. Hard to tell about leadership though

 

[Crawb]

Why does that matter though?

What annoys me in general is that Melbourne fans (well on BF anyway..) like to pretend everything is going okay at MFC, so much so they even make it appear that they are happy with the situation at MFC while they are happy to bash other clubs given even the smallest of opportunities while they carry on like their club is the be all and end all and act like their club absolutely superior in every way compared to the club they are bashing. Worse than Collingwood fans. Always have been.

 

[Deefolt]

What annoys me in general is that Melbourne fans (well on BF anyway..) like to pretend everything is going okay at MFC, so much so they even make it appear that they are happy with the situation at MFC while they are happy to bash other clubs given even the smallest of opportunities while they carry on like their club is the be all and end all and act like their club absolutely superior in every way compared to the club they are bashing. Worse than Collingwood fans. Always have been.

BAHAHAHHA are you serious?
We have a new president, ceo, footy operations bloke, coach prob new captain...

we are realists mate, I hope this fixes it... but at least we are trying

 

[soreplums]

Would have loved him at the Pies.

 

[Chopperdave]

Actually I'm not, the OP is. I'm saying there is no way anybody could know about what went down in the incidents you mentioned unless you're inside the club. You're more than happy to assume he failed as a leader though which - on available evidence from the rest of his career at the club - seems inaccurate.

I'm not saying he has failed as a leader when did I ever say that? I'm just saying that at a certain point questions do have to be asked.

 

[BlackCaviar]

BAHAHAHHA are you serious?
We have a new president, ceo, footy operations bloke, coach prob new captain...

we are realists mate, I hope this fixes it... but at least we are trying

still won't help , you will alway be the dees

 

[Tippett2Goal]

That's a cop out, they're leaving the club because they're not happy there, to suggest it's because they're from a city is laughable

Its more logical than thinking them leaving has anything to do with Brown.

 

[BlackCaviar]

I'm not saying he has failed as a leader when did I ever say that? I'm just saying that at a certain point questions do have to be asked.

same questions could be ask of ports leadership not long ago!!!!!!!

 

[Happy_Neale]

I'm not saying he has failed as a leader when did I ever say that? I'm just saying that at a certain point questions do have to be asked.

They do but Brown should not be the subject of them. In fact there is about 20 people ahead of him in that queue I would have thought, starting with the board, some of the coaching staff and the welfare managers. That's just me though, some people like to assume the captain must be responsible for every single action that happens at a football club. Suppose he should have ripped that kebab out of Rich's hands as well

 

[Lockie]

Ok well then give some examples of how Brown has helped off the field when the Fev issues were happening. Or when Bradshaw left, or Clark, or all the players this year. Your saying I have to back up my statements? Your the one making actual statements. All I am saying is that when shit like this goes down it does reflect on leadership. A captain is just as much a leader as a coach and management what happens under his watch is a direct reflection of that.

Mitch Clark left because he wanted to be with his sick grandmother, and his incarcerated cousins in WA and was homesick but then decided he would take a wad of cash at Melbourne. Bradshaw was part of the horrible time of Fev and the trade that went on with that.

As others have stated Yeo is the only player that has had regular senior games this year that is wanting to go home. The others have been fringe players. From what is said by the other players at Brisbane they really respect Brown and his leadership. Yeo's manager was on SEN last week and make a big point of saying how Elliot was happy with the Brisbane Lions, mentioned Vossy and Brown etc but wanted to go home. I think the issue for us Brisbane Lions supporters at the moment is rather it being an issue for Browny as captain is more of an issue of other support systems - ie player welfare people supporting the players from interstate etc, questioning where our resources are being spent and how this is happening and getting rid of our stupid board. I don't think you can blame Brown for the players leaving and I'm not sure how that questions his leadership if there is no suggestion from anyone within the player group/media that this is an issue. However we do want to look at what support networks are in place to ensure that we don't continue to loose players back to their home state. If that mean Brown need more support then so be it.

If the captain is always responsible for things under their watch and therefore that questions their leadership then Jobe Watson should immediately step down as captain after what happened at Essendon, Judd couldn't control Fev, Maxwell with the rat pack at Collingwood? James McDonald at Melbourne for being a part of Melbourne's 'acting in a manner prejudical to the interests to the competition' in 2009?

As a Brisbane Lions supporter I am very unhappy as to why these players are leaving, and thats mostly Longer, Docherty and Yeo, our board's silence on this is deafening and for many reasons, including the sacking of Voss, is why so many of our supporters have signed a petition to call for an emergency meeting to try and get rid of the board and have Leigh Matthews ticket come on. I agree our club is not looking that great at the moment, but not sure where Browny comes into this. It might be your opinion and thats fine but unless you have factual information then it remains simple that, an opinion.

 

[BLPC08]

Captains can't overcome severe administrative blunders, no matter how good they are.

I think the main reason Brown is rated as a captain has been his ability to kick clutch goals, take important marks, and play with no fear.

You make too much sense for bigfooty. Your talents would be utilised better elsewhere.

 

[Harris Specter]

Mitch Clark left because he wanted to be with his sick grandmother, and his incarcerated cousins in WA and was homesick but then decided he would take a wad of cash at Melbourne. Bradshaw was part of the horrible time of Fev and the trade that went on with that.

As others have stated Yeo is the only player that has had regular senior games this year that is wanting to go home. The others have been fringe players. From what is said by the other players at Brisbane they really respect Brown and his leadership. Yeo's manager was on SEN last week and make a big point of saying how Elliot was happy with the Brisbane Lions, mentioned Vossy and Brown etc but wanted to go home. I think the issue for us Brisbane Lions supporters at the moment is rather it being an issue for Browny as captain is more of an issue of other support systems - ie player welfare people supporting the players from interstate etc, questioning where our resources are being spent and how this is happening and getting rid of our stupid board. I don't think you can blame Brown for the players leaving and I'm not sure how that questions his leadership if there is no suggestion from anyone within the player group/media that this is an issue. However we do want to look at what support networks are in place to ensure that we don't continue to loose players back to their home state. If that mean Brown need more support then so be it.

If the captain is always responsible for things under their watch and therefore that questions their leadership then Jobe Watson should immediately step down as captain after what happened at Essendon, Judd couldn't control Fev, Maxwell with the rat pack at Collingwood? James McDonald at Melbourne for being a part of Melbourne's 'acting in a manner prejudical to the interests to the competition' in 2009?

As a Brisbane Lions supporter I am very unhappy as to why these players are leaving, and thats mostly Longer, Docherty and Yeo, our board's silence on this is deafening and for many reasons, including the sacking of Voss, is why so many of our supporters have signed a petition to call for an emergency meeting to try and get rid of the board and have Leigh Matthews ticket come on. I agree our club is not looking that great at the moment, but not sure where Browny comes into this. It might be your opinion and thats fine but unless you have factual information then it remains simple that, an opinion.

This post just ends the thread. Please shut down this useless thread mods.

 

[Chopperdave]

same questions could be ask of ports leadership not long ago!!!!!!!

Exactly and look what Port did and look where it got us this year.

 

[Superstar swan]

I don't think brown has anything to do with young players wanting to leave.

Brown is a great leader

 

[Chopperdave]

Long post

Many good points and I understand all of them. I am merely trying to point out to all the 12 year olds that turn to a blind rage as soon as anyone ever starts to question their demigod, that maybe just maybe he might not be the untouchable leader they have put him up to be.

As for a couple of points, Judds copped shit all his time at Carlton over the Fev issues and the booze cruise and other related dramas, People have been calling for Maxwells head for the last couple of years and as for Jobe 95% of people were calling for him to stand down when he admitted to AOD. So I would say they have been far more scrutinized than Brown ever has.

 

[Righteo]

Brown may very well be a shit captain but using him as the scapegoat for the failings of the administration isn't the way to go about proving it, UYI said it best.