NO TROLLS Jordan De Goey arrested for assault in New York

[Wosh]

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[Bombermania]

Rape has always been a serious crime and i doubt anyone in that New York club had any idea of who Jordan was and after a few drinks he might have thought that was a ticket to play up more than he might here in Melbourne.

 

[Soggy2112]

Rape has always been a serious crime, even in ancient times and the middle ages.

I doubt anyone in that New York club had any idea of who Jordan was and after a few drinks he might have thought that was a ticket to play up more than he might here in Melbourne.

I’ll preface this by saying that this is my PERSONAL OPINION as I know he was found not guilty.

But I think he did something that crossed a line in the first case (as to the seriousness I’m not sure) and got away with it. This made him think he could get away with it again, thankfully it seems that he hasn’t, and I hope whatever punishment he receives will force him to learn his lesson.

 

[Bombermania]

I’ll preface this by saying that this is my PERSONAL OPINION as I know he was found not guilty.

But I think he did something that crossed a line in the first case (as to the seriousness I’m not sure) and got away with it. This made him think he could get away with it again, thankfully it seems that he hasn’t, and I hope whatever punishment he receives will force him to learn his lesson.

I might be wrong but i thought he was cleared after the women withdraw her complaint.

 

[Soggy2112]

I might be wrong but i thought he was cleared after the women withdraw her complaint.

Fully willing to admit that I may be wrong, and yes he was cleared.

However in my experience a woman withdrawing a complaint does not necessarily mean innocence. Like I said, from a legal perspective he was cleared so I’m not stating anything as fact, just that my personal opinion, based on his track record and the way sexual assault cases tend to go, is that he did something wrong.

 

[RUNVS]

Fully willing to admit that I may be wrong, and yes he was cleared.

However in my experience a woman withdrawing a complaint does not necessarily mean innocence. Like I said, from a legal perspective he was cleared so I’m not stating anything as fact, just that my personal opinion, based on his track record and the way sexual assault cases tend to go, is that he did something wrong.

The problem is majority of women don't report sexual assault and the ones that do have to go through a very very difficult process of trying to get their accusers to even face a jury. It is a massive uphill battle and unfortunately most sexual assaults never lead to any kind of justice.

 

[Soggy2112]

The problem is majority of women don't report sexual assault and the ones that do have to go through a very very difficult process of trying to get their accusers to even face a jury. It is a massive uphill battle and unfortunately most sexual assaults never lead to any kind of justice.

Plus in many cases the punishment in Australia is simply not severe enough, making it often not worth the trauma for a victim to go through with a trial.

It really is a severe deficiency in our justice system, I don’t know what the solution is but as a society we need to move away from the prevailing attitude which seems to be: “well there was no conviction so obviously nothing happened”. We saw it with JDG’s first trial, I can’t imagine how hurtful that would’ve been for the woman involved, and I also can’t help but wondering if it was handled differently by the media and public if this latest incident would’ve occurred.

 

[Leeda]

No offence but that is some mens rights bullshit right there. Sure there are issues in society for men, some disadvantages, but statistically speaking women have so many more disadvantages than we do, so perhaps we should be trying to fix their disadvantages instead of trying to imply it is just as hard being a man.

For instance the assertion in your photo of male and female circumcision being equivalent is at best ill-informed and at worst pretty disgusting. I don't particularly like male circumcision as I don't believe a baby should have to go through an unnecessary procedure but a circumcised baby can still grow up and have a normal sex life. Female circumcision is all about making it so women can't grow up and have a normal sex life, all about making sure those "sluts" can't enjoy having sex.

Woah dude you are going on a tangent…carry on but one doesn’t quite equate to the other…
However this is the place to let it all out…I have done it before…yeah plenty of times… just
trying and learning to keep it in house…and I keep trying to and somehow I wander in with a ‘stabbed heart’
and end end up with a stubbed toe…far less hurtful and
dangerous…This place is addictive ..

 

[jerry springer]

Easiest and smartest move the club has made in a long time

 

[RUNVS]

Plus in many cases the punishment in Australia is simply not severe enough, making it often not worth the trauma for a victim to go through with a trial.

It really is a severe deficiency in our justice system, I don’t know what the solution is but as a society we need to move away from the prevailing attitude which seems to be: “well there was no conviction so obviously nothing happened”. We saw it with JDG’s first trial, I can’t imagine how hurtful that would’ve been for the woman involved, and I also can’t help but wondering if it was handled differently by the media and public if this latest incident would’ve occurred.

I find the punishment for rape and molestation to be wildly off what they should be. I get not making it so high that the person committing the rape thinks "well I may as well kill this person as the punishment would be the same" but I also find it moronic that someone who has a large amount of weed can and often does get a larger prison sentence than someone who r*ped a child.

 

[Lampers]

The merits include the power differential

This is critical.

In my younger days on several different occasions I was pinched, groped, kissed all without providing any consent. I had suggestive things yelled at me by women passing by (in these cases the women were in groups when I was alone or just me and a mate). These weren’t common occurrences.

While I might have been surprised or a little embarrassed, never did I feel afraid or threatened. I’m a pretty big guy, and while the physical incidents were brief, if they had persisted and I wasn’t interested I surely would’ve been able to push the woman away and stop the activity.

In general, I suspect women wouldn’t have that same feeling of no actual threat should the situation be reversed.

My high school legal studies are a bit hazy, but my understanding is assault is creating a reasonable fear of imminent danger, and battery is the physical act.

I would say I technically was “battered” in those physical instances, but not assaulted in any of them.

Another power differential. If a junior male at work says “I’ll make your life hell” I wouldn’t be worried, he has no power or authority over me even if he’s physically stronger than me. A more senior woman says that, even if I know I can physically overpower her, I’m going to feel threatened professionally.

Gender is irrelevant, power dynamic is.

The first example is physical power dynamic and probably 95% of the time a male has physical superiority over a female. So because the superiority is due to biology, the scenario appears “unfair” for the male but it’s really not because there is a biological imbalance.

The second is an influence power dynamic that has no biology involved.

 

[The Wrecker]

[/QUOTE]

Will he play another AFL game?

Of course he will. He'll most likely miss a few token games and then the media will forget about it, or go full redemption story bullshit. In doing so they'll ignore this is the second such offence. And it won't be called sexual assault. Just a drunken night out or a mistake.
Prior to the season starting Jon Ralph will obtain an 'exclusive' interview with De Goey's manager citing a rogue priest at St Kevin's, that way exonerating him from any past or future responsibility!

 

[RUNVS]

This is critical.

In my younger days on several different occasions I was pinched, groped, kissed all without providing any consent. I had suggestive things yelled at me by women passing by (in these cases the women were in groups when I was alone or just me and a mate). These weren’t common occurrences.

While I might have been surprised or a little embarrassed, never did I feel afraid or threatened. I’m a pretty big guy, and while the physical incidents were brief, if they had persisted and I wasn’t interested I surely would’ve been able to push the woman away and stop the activity.

In general, I suspect women wouldn’t have that same feeling of no actual threat should the situation be reversed.

My high school legal studies are a bit hazy, but my understanding is assault is creating a reasonable fear of imminent danger, and battery is the physical act.

I would say I technically was “battered” in those physical instances, but not assaulted in any of them.

Another power differential. If a junior male at work says “I’ll make your life hell” I wouldn’t be worried, he has no power or authority over me even if he’s physically stronger than me. A more senior woman says that, even if I know I can physically overpower her, I’m going to feel threatened professionally.

Gender is irrelevant, power dynamic is.

The first example is physical power dynamic and probably 95% of the time a male has physical superiority over a female. So because the superiority is due to biology, the scenario appears “unfair” for the male but it’s really not because there is a biological imbalance.

The second is an influence power dynamic that has no biology involved.

It is an excellent point. It is also why a teacher cannot ever have a romantic or sexual relationship with a student, even if that student is 18, just like how a professor at university could not have a relationship with a student who may be in their 20's or even 30's. Even if the age is fine the power differential is what makes it wrong and in many cases illegal as the teacher/professor has a lot of power over the student, power to potentially manipulate them.

 

[Bombermania]

This is critical.

In my younger days on several different occasions I was pinched, groped, kissed all without providing any consent. I had suggestive things yelled at me by women passing by (in these cases the women were in groups when I was alone or just me and a mate). These weren’t common occurrences.

While I might have been surprised or a little embarrassed, never did I feel afraid or threatened. I’m a pretty big guy, and while the physical incidents were brief, if they had persisted and I wasn’t interested I surely would’ve been able to push the woman away and stop the activity.

In general, I suspect women wouldn’t have that same feeling of no actual threat should the situation be reversed.

My high school legal studies are a bit hazy, but my understanding is assault is creating a reasonable fear of imminent danger, and battery is the physical act.

I would say I technically was “battered” in those physical instances, but not assaulted in any of them.

Another power differential. If a junior male at work says “I’ll make your life hell” I wouldn’t be worried, he has no power or authority over me even if he’s physically stronger than me. A more senior woman says that, even if I know I can physically overpower her, I’m going to feel threatened professionally.

Gender is irrelevant, power dynamic is.

The first example is physical power dynamic and probably 95% of the time a male has physical superiority over a female. So because the superiority is due to biology, the scenario appears “unfair” for the male but it’s really not because there is a biological imbalance.

The second is an influence power dynamic that has no biology involved.

In workplace law they will take into account the power dynamics when considering harassment cases.

 

[Blue1980]

Of course he will. He'll most likely miss a few token games and then the media will forget about it, or go full redemption story bullshit. In doing so they'll ignore this is the second such offence. And it won't be called sexual assault. Just a drunken night out or a mistake.
Prior to the season starting Jon Ralph will obtain an 'exclusive' interview with De Goey's manager citing a rogue priest at St Kevin's, that way exonerating him from any past or future responsibility![/QUOTE]

Will see what happens from here but I’d think his future afl prospects look bleak.

Gut feel right now is he’s played his last AFL game.

 

[Leeda]

Oh Jordan….monks ..yeah gone…

 

[Osho]

So De Goey pleaded not guilty but already found guilty, apparently. Geewiz US justice is swift.

 

[Infamy]

I know this is the wrong takeaway from this, but can we go overseas now?

We can in Vic, NSW & ACT, the rest of the country can't yet


Also for all those posters going on about being able to leave the country, you've been able to get exemptions to leave for work purposes throughout the entire pandemic. It's the $2500 & 2 weeks hotel quarantine that's stopped most people from leaving though as it's not worth the trip for most. If you are planning to not come back, or going for a few months, then plenty have been coming and going. If you look at JDG's mate's social media, you can see that he was working out of a US tattoo shop since the middle of September.

 

[Leeda]

Easiest and smartest move the club has made in a long time

Hash tag…

 

[brutus76]

Surely the only way he gets out of the country before December is a plead guilty deal meaning deportation and passport rescinded/revoked/never welcome in the US again scenario

 

[RUNVS]

Surely the only way he gets out of the country before December is a plead guilty deal meaning deportation and passport rescinded/revoked/never welcome in the US again scenario

I heard De-Goey has a duel citizenship with Antarctica, so we can cancel his citizenship here.

 

[greening22]

After the circus last time he was charged, surely he’s sacked or stood down this time. He is a massive, massive image problem for the AFL and Collingwood now. It’s not 1985.

I agree; must be sacked immediately. A total disgrace. Hopefully that is the end of his AFL career

 

[jatz14]

Given the ever expanding definition of sexual abuse and rape I would suggest far more men have unwanted sex or pressured sex than many think. If people say women are reluctant to come forward despite the huge support and empathy they are offered on so many levels, then how much more reluctant must men be given the fact that they know how our society would respond to a complaint of unwanted groping or forced sex? As far as violence is concerned a man could have his nose broken by a flailing woman in public and most onlookers would cheer and laugh. If the same man dared respond even by shoving her the likelihood of other men then beating him up for touching her is high. It is a rigged game for men. They cannot win, so those who are real victims of abuse add to the enormous number of male suicides, or the homeless men/boys living rough on our streets or drug and alcohol abusers. They have nowhere to turn.

Why don't we feel empathy for anyone who is a victim?

unwanted or pressured sex often isnt rape. Or even sexual assault. How many wifes have agreed to sex with their husbands when they didn't particularly want it at the time. A husband whining 'oh come ooooon, its been so long, please', is pressuring his wife into sex, and if she says 'oh all right then', just to shut him up and keep the peace. Happens all the time. If she isn't afraid of her husbands response if she says no, and doesn't feel she cannot say no, then this is fine. Freely consenting to sex is enough, you don't need to be pleased about it, or happy for it, or enjoy it. You can even feel pressured to a degree, but so long as you consent, and you felt you had the free opportunity to refuse consent, its consensual. Its only if there is a legitimate concern over the consequences of saying no, that an issue arises.

So, a physical power imbalance, or a difference in authority.

 

[Wosh]

Especially if the girl is flirting and getting the guys attention if he happens to slap her on the arse then she can’t go and complain that she got assaulted

Mind boggles that there are still people who can think like this…let alone type it.

 

[HolyWars]

Mind boggles that there are still people who can think like this…let alone type it.

Absolutely mind bending isn't it? Troglodytes that say garbage like that should head straight back to their cave.

 

[Wosh]

WTF have I just read over the last 2 pages

Wow

An idiotic troll that unfortunately people quote/respond to and feed. It makes cleaning up a whole lot more time consuming

Hey guys and gals, let’s not hey? Just report do not reply.
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