Confirmed Josh Battle [to Hawthorn as UFA]

[Jeremias]

Infractions and thread bans have been handed out.

Keep it civil and on topic, or keep it to yourself.

Thanks.

 

[goodie23]

Is there a limit to this though?
If Tigers as spooners had lost a player like Battle who let's face it solid and not an elite - would they really be getting pick 2 as compo?

Nope, been that way pretty much since the beginning in 2012. A year later Hawthorn lost Lance Franklin and as premiers received pick 19, a year after that Melbourne lost James Frawley and as the penultimate club got pick 3.

 

[rapidfire7]

There have been plenty players who haven’t attended B and Fs when they are leaving. This year too.

Can't ever recall another player wantng to attend, but being told they can't but anyway.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Nope, been that way pretty much since the beginning in 2012. A year later Hawthorn lost Lance Franklin and as premiers received pick 19, a year after that Melbourne lost James Frawley and as the penultimate club got pick 3.

Jeezus Franklin generational player # 19

Battle, hard-working trier # 8

 

[triggering bro]

Not gonna lie pick 8 for Battle is highway robbery. Tying band level to salary and tenure is being manipulated by clubs far too easily. Use champion data or something similar instead. Values players and subsequent compensation on output rather than salary and as long as it’s a consistent metric it’ll work and improve the outcome.

 

[stavro#4]

Not gonna lie pick 8 for Battle is highway robbery. Tying band level to salary and tenure is being manipulated by clubs far too easily. Use champion data or something similar instead. Values players and subsequent compensation on output rather than salary and as long as it’s a consistent metric it’ll work and improve the outcome.

There isn’t a metric that everyone will unanimously agree with to measure the value of players.

Ultimately if a club like Hawthorn want to spend the best part of $1m on Battle - good not great player. He isn’t a match winner.

So be it.

It will eventually start biting clubs in the ass and start slowing down in a few years when the caps start tightening up for each club

 

[dean33]

So you think it’s ok that Brisbane is getting a future star that you should have had access to?
Bassat is far from a fool.
The inequities of F/S and academies in a so called professional comp are an absolute joke.

Every club has access to father sons, some teams get more lucky than others but I like the notion of sons playing at their father’s club. My clubs last decent father son was 30 years ago and our nga has produced nothing so we haven’t benefited here. Academies are a rort but we know they are trying to help the suns and giants, I don’t believe brisbane and the swans should have them though.

 

[bluespooner]

There isn’t a metric that everyone will unanimously agree with to measure the value of players.

Ultimately if a club like Hawthorn want to spend the best part of $1m on Battle - good not great player. He isn’t a match winner.

So be it.

It will eventually start biting clubs in the ass and start slowing down in a few years when the caps start tightening up for each club

Yet, st kilda were prepared to offer Battle a more lucrative contract to stay.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Not gonna lie pick 8 for Battle is highway robbery. Tying band level to salary and tenure is being manipulated by clubs far too easily. Use champion data or something similar instead. Values players and subsequent compensation on output rather than salary and as long as it’s a consistent metric it’ll work and improve the outcome.

Disagree.
Champion Data is what they've done.
Salary is what people think they'll do.

Salary is a direct measure of how bad someone wants them.

 

[stavro#4]

Yet, st kilda were prepared to offer Battle a more lucrative contract to stay.

The 950k came the week he announced he was leaving.

Seems more like a tactical offer to get a few more precious $$$ out of the hawks.

 

[stavro#4]

Every club has access to father sons, some teams get more lucky than others but I like the notion of sons playing at their father’s club. My clubs last decent father son was 30 years ago and our nga has produced nothing so we haven’t benefited here. Academies are a rort but we know they are trying to help the suns and giants, I don’t believe brisbane and the swans should have them though.

The issue isn’t the access. For either benefit.

It’s the cost to access.

If Brisbane had to stump up a pick within say 5 for Ashcroft they would need to part with a gun player to attain it.

It all of a sudden balances out the cycle of the poor sides losing their best players to contenders for picks

 

[Diehard Saint]

Every club has access to father sons, some teams get more lucky than others but I like the notion of sons playing at their father’s club. My clubs last decent father son was 30 years ago and our nga has produced nothing so we haven’t benefited here. Academies are a rort but we know they are trying to help the suns and giants, I don’t believe brisbane and the swans should have them though.

Nothing wrong with F/S but the cost needs to be more appropriate than basically getting them for a few rubbish picks and still being able to retain a first rounder. Clubs get first access but less of a discount.

Lions getting another Ashcroft for literally nothing this year is absolutely absurd in a professional competition.

Absolutely Swans and Brisbane are no longer in a position where they need to get the benefits they do for the academies any longer.

And that’s all Bassat was saying. The inequities of a so called professional competition is ridiculous.

 

[dean33]

Nothing wrong with F/S but the cost needs to be more appropriate than basically getting them for a few rubbish picks and still being able to retain a first rounder. Clubs get first access but less of a discount.

Lions getting another Ashcroft for literally nothing this year is absolutely absurd in a professional competition.

Absolutely Swans and Brisbane are no longer in a position where they need to get the benefits they do for the academies any longer.

And that’s all Bassat was saying. The inequities of a so called professional competition is ridiculous.

Fair enough when some things favour only some clubs like the academies however every club operates under the same rules for father sons. I think they should pay more as well however that’s what every club operate under at the moment.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Fair enough when some things favour only some clubs like the academies however every club operates under the same rules for father sons. I think they should pay more as well however that’s what every club operate under at the moment.

Yes they do. No reason it can’t be changed to become more equitable.
And Bassat is trying to make it fairer for all. If you have not been the beneficiary of F/S much you should be cheering him on.

 

[dean33]

Yes they do. No reason it can’t be changed to become more equitable.
And Bassat is trying to make it fairer for all. If you have not been the beneficiary of F/S much you should be cheering him on.

I’m still holding hope that in 20 years I’ll be cheering on Trent and Jacks boy while hoping Dusty and Ash Barty have a love child.

 

[JasRulz63]

If Brisbane had to stump up a pick within say 5 for Ashcroft they would need to part with a gun player to attain it.

Don't we just wait two years and just get him cheap like clubs (including St Kilda) did to us when we were in the pits or Geelong has been doing to clubs for years?

 

[Diehard Saint]

I’m still holding hope that in 20 years I’ll be cheering on Trent and Jacks boy while hoping Dusty and Ash Barty have a love child.

Well good for you, but I’m not sure I’ll live long enough to see one of Roo’s three coming up, should they even want to or be good enough to play!
But if they did, and the system has changed, I’d be happy to pay for them if they were good enough.