Recommitted Josh Dunkley [OOC 2022, requested a trade to Essendon, didn't get there]

[JayJ20]

There is some criticism of Dodoro, but the defence of his trading this year and last is strident, and it's not one or two isolated examples.


Again, refer previous comments about Dodoro not valuing his own deal as enough.

There is pleeenty of criticism for Dodoro regarding Daniher. Many believed we should have traded Daniher last year instead of holding onto him. Plenty of criticism for the Shiel trade. Most Essendon fans also believed he unnecessarily made the Fantasia trade complicated.

I don’t have any problems with his conduct regarding the Dunkley trade though except for the length it took to come up with his offer. The final offer of pick 8 and a future second is more than enough. The 3-way trade for Treloar and Dunkley was also enough. Bulldogs just weren’t interested which is fair enough.

You’re misinterpreting Dodoro’s statement. Saying he wouldn’t do the deal if he was Bulldogs doesn’t mean he believes that’s what Dunkley is worth. It means he understands why Bulldogs didn’t trade Dunkley and would do the same for a player like him. A classic case of a player being worth more to a club than the open market considering Dunkley only has 3 quarters of one season last year to even justify a first rounder. There’s a reason why we targeted Dunkley over an Oliver type because he should realistically be cheaper than Oliver. Someone that’s pushed out of the midfield loses value.

Don’t think Dodoro or anyone expected the price to be 2 top 10 picks, which is what a contracted Oliver costs. We offered as high as we could and moved on from it. No issues there. All of Essendon, Bulldogs and Dunkley parted in an amicable way.

 

[Wild Bill]

The trade is every bit harder because the dogs don’t want top 10 picks in 2020.

Player trade suits both and Merrett for Dunks make sense. Ess too many small midfielders and the dogs keep their midfield depth.

 

[JayJ20]

I actually think Dogs would be crazy not to take the overs we'll pay for him. A bad situation sure, but this presents as an opportunity to rectify their list imbalance.

What's the point of collecting so many good mids when the side is so unbalanced? Richmond have what, Dusty, Cotchin, Prestia as their main trio and they've won 3 out of the last 4 premierships.

Dogs have Bont, Macrae, Smith, Dunkley, Libba, West, Lipinski etc.
Take Dunkley out and they still have one of the best midfields in the competition. JUH wants to be a future midfielder as well.

Cash out and use the currency to target players that can win you a premiership.

 

[Ash1337]

If I were power I would team up with Jmac and rip Dodo a new 1.

Dons trade their future first, pick 6 and daniher compo to get Dunkley & caldwell. Dogs get dons future first, O'halloran and 40. GWS get 6 and danniher compo.

 

[Wild Bill]

Not saying it should be easy mate . If he continues to be a knob like he has already shown in what’s he’s asked Carlton for saad I don’t have high expectations of him getting a trade done until he pulls he’s head in. Hence the reason he’s laughed at by so many people

I actually think Dogs would be crazy not to take the overs we'll pay for him. A bad situation sure, but this presents as an opportunity to rectify their list imbalance.

What's the point of collecting so many good mids when the side is so unbalanced? Richmond have what, Dusty, Cotchin, Prestia as their main trio and they've won 3 out of the last 4 premierships.

Dogs have Bont, Macrae, Smith, Dunkley, Libba, West, Lipinski etc.
Take Dunkley out and they still have one of the best midfields in the competition. JUH wants to be a future midfielder as well.

Cash out and use the currency to target players that can win you a premiership.

Cash out how?

West & Lipinski......

 

[Doggy]

Cash out how?

West & Lipinski......

West will be good .. but not for a while.

Lipinski has good skills but is slow and doesn't tackle

 

[JayJ20]

Cash out how?

West & Lipinski......

I'd look around for a ruckman to support English, a KPD and a small pressure forward if I were Dogs, then either use Essendon as a 3-way trade to land whatever player dogs are targeting or use Essendon's picks to trade.

If dogs are like "we're not trading, end of story" without genuinely look around, then that's a pretty bad call given that Bulldogs would still have a starting midfield of Bont, Macrae, Smith and Libba. Keeping Dunkley without addressing their list issues will literally do nothing for them. I may be in the minority, but I don't see how dogs become weaker without Dunkley.

 

[Keystone agony]

Cash out how?

West & Lipinski......

Cash out Dunkley for something more advantageous to their side and future sustained success

There's a reason they fast tracked Bailey Smith

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Bailey Smith

Age

23

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

. They needed speed in the middle.

Bont, Lipinski, Macrae, Dunkley is a big midfield and maybe not the quickest. Baileys both and you want him in there and Liberatores is one of the best inside players still. West will be in there very shortly and looks very capable.

I don't buy into the dogs needing a gun ruck. I don't see the point. English isn't far off and will be a top 8 ruck in 12 months time if not already. Maybe a Stef Martin for a year could work but wouldn't be worth anything of value.

Dogs have said themselves they struggle to kick a score and also want small forwards who can hit the scoreboard and apply pressure.

- Small pressure fwds
- Pace in the midfield
- Scoreboard hitters

Treloar, Degoey, Tippa, Logan Mcdonald, L.Schulz, J.Clark are potential names I see in 3-4 way trades

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

Few ahead of him for AA ruck selection I think.

That'd require Bulldogs to actually play him in his position, which is doubtful.

He will be 100%

 

[Bombermania]

The trade is every bit harder because the dogs don’t want top 10 picks in 2020.

Player trade suits both and Merrett for Dunks make sense. Ess too many small midfielders and the dogs keep their midfield depth.

Maybe
North trades Brown to Essendon
Footscray trades Dunkley to Essendon
Essendon trades Merrett to Footscray and pick 7 to North

I'm not saying Brown is worth pick 7 but it could get around Footscray not wanting early picks.

 

[Bombermania]

Ash1337
Whats the problem with that trade?

 

[Doggy]

Ash1337
Whats the problem with that trade?

Is there a scenario that Essendon desperately chase a player who is contracted for 2 more years and don't end up trying to win the trade and bend the other team over? Does such a situation exist?

Helps that the other team is not pushing said player out so has all the hand

 

[adogsfan5]

Is there a scenario that Essendon desperately chase a player who is contracted for 2 more years and don't end trying to win the trade? Does such a situation exist?

You’re wasting your time mate. You’re about to start another Merrett vs Dunkley argument.

 

[Bombermania]

Is there a scenario that Essendon desperately chase a player who is contracted for 2 more years and don't end trying to win the trade? Does such a situation exist?

With Dodo anything is possible

I don't expect to see Dunkley at Essendon but if Footscray are not looking for a top ten pick.

 

[Bombermania]

You’re wasting your time mate. You’re about to start another Merrett vs Dunkley argument.

No he isn't.

 

[Doggy]

You’re wasting your time mate. You’re about to start another Merrett vs Dunkley argument.

Wasn't trying to.

I was referring to Essendon and their supporters always having to win every trade and trade period

 

[CaptainMurphy]

I actually think Dogs would be crazy not to take the overs we'll pay for him. A bad situation sure, but this presents as an opportunity to rectify their list imbalance.

What's the point of collecting so many good mids when the side is so unbalanced? Richmond have what, Dusty, Cotchin, Prestia as their main trio and they've won 3 out of the last 4 premierships.

Dogs have Bont, Macrae, Smith, Dunkley, Libba, West, Lipinski etc.
Take Dunkley out and they still have one of the best midfields in the competition. JUH wants to be a future midfielder as well.

Cash out and use the currency to target players that can win you a premiership.

You're making way too much sense for an opposition supporter

 

[HELMET!]

Not to say he's anywhere near dustys level but he is a great example as why players shouldn't trade to a lower placed club just for the cash boost when they're in their prime.

Dusty knocked back the rumoured "war chest" deal a couple of years back and has won 2 flags since. North never got their list close enough to a contender and currently couldn't be further from a premiership.

 

[Ash1337]

Maybe
North trades Brown to Essendon
Footscray trades Dunkley to Essendon
Essendon trades Merrett to Footscray and pick 7 to North

I'm not saying Brown is worth pick 7 but it could get around Footscray not wanting early picks.

Ash1337
Whats the problem with that trade?

Merrett has said that he plans to stay next year yet you're all set of offering him for Dunkley. Also You involving Norf in a trade that could of been done by themselves because there's nothing coming from norf to dogs in that deal.

 

[adogsfan5]

Wasn't trying to.

I was referring to Essendon and their supporters always having to win every trade and trade period

Haha I was waiting for the reply of “but Merrett is better so how are we winning trade period”

 

[Bombermania]

Merrett has said that he plans to stay next year yet you're all set of offering him for Dunkley. Also You involving Norf in a trade that could of been done by themselves because there's nothing coming from norf to dogs in that deal.

I don't want to trade Merrett but Footscray would deserve a good player and apparently doesn't want top ten picks and Merrett only gets brought up because he becomes FA next year.

 

[Keystone agony]

Is there a scenario that Essendon desperately chase a player who is contracted for 2 more years and don't end up trying to win the trade and bend the other team over? Does such a situation exist?

Helps that the other team is not pushing said player out so has all the hand

Which trade have they bent over the opposition?

 

[WWSD]

The Bulldogs have good depth in the midfield to cover for Dunkley should he leave.

 

[Doggy]

Which trade have they bent over the opposition?

I think you are misreading my post. I said that is Essendon's intention in every trade even when the opposing team's player is contracted and not being pushed out

 

[Keystone agony]

I think you are misreading my post. I said that is Essendon's intention in every trade even when the opposing team's player is contracted and not being pushed out

I think Dodos intention is to get what he sees as the correct market value.

Whereas I think some very limited clubs let players go for a little less. Dodo doesn't do that. He works hard for best case and I respect that. As long as it doesn't mean players don't want to come here which recent history suggest it isn't impacting.

 

[Doggy]

I think Dodos intention is to get what he sees as the correct market value.

Whereas I think some very limited clubs let players go for a little less. Dodo doesn't do that. He works hard for best case and I respect that. As long as it doesn't mean players don't want to come here which recent history suggest it isn't impacting.

You can get good results without coming across as a douche