Traded Josh Battle - Joins Hawthorn as UFA

[Jeremias]

Infractions and thread bans have been handed out.

Keep it civil and on topic, or keep it to yourself.

Thanks.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Talking to a close relative of an ex Freo player. Their most hated team - St Kilda.

And we should care about this because….?

 

[Spirit Level]

Good to see you agree with our President….

Yeah nothing he said was wrong, just can't believe it worked in guilt tripping the AFL

 

[A Bit Dusty]

Did you even read the message you quoted?

I did mate I thought I typed a message but it's not there.
My quote was with pick 8 your not going to get 2 x 1st rounders for it unless they are end of Round 1.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

A lot of people believed that Battle's future pay was lineball for band one, without knowing one way or another.

It seems that those who had special talent to "know" he was only going to fetch band two, are the same ones who are outraged and are sure the system has been shonked.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I guess the crap clubs get a better deal, i guess that's ok.

Only as in Tier one or Tier 3 is linked to your draft position.

 

[Diehard Saint]

As St Kilda is so offended by the concept of free agency, they should now do the honourable thing and reject the pick 8 compensation pick offered to them.

Clearly you ( and many others who have got the story totally a*se about face) didn’t listen to his speech.
Just jumped on the “ready to be offended” band wagon.
He never said anything at all about the compo and free agency.
He mentioned the inequities of the academies and F/S the way they are handled now.

 

[Diehard Saint]

No. Actually listen to speech. Bassat is incensed that teams like Brisbane get to skip the queue after winning a premiership to get the best player in the draft at only 80% of the price instead of paying a premium to jump said queue.

Every other club should be in furious agreement with Bassat on this instead of whinging that he said it.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Just love it when the three picks we have all get worse.

**** you AFL

Happens every year, and we’ve all been disadvantaged by it.

 

[perplexed]

I guess the crap clubs get a better deal, i guess that's ok.

It wasn't last year. We were lectured to for months about how getting Band 1 for McKay was a disgraceful handout. Despite Ben being paid more than these guys and it happening before the pay increase.

 

[Diehard Saint]

It’s just another compromise in the league that this time your club has directly benefited.
Makes your president look like a fool.

So you think it’s ok that Brisbane is getting a future star that you should have had access to?
Bassat is far from a fool.
The inequities of F/S and academies in a so called professional comp are an absolute joke.

 

[botts]

I guess the crap clubs get a better deal, i guess that's ok.

Can’t all pay our players with cotton on deals

 

[rapidfire7]

Clearly you ( and many others who have got the story totally a*se about face) didn’t listen to his speech.
Just jumped on the “ready to be offended” band wagon.
He never said anything at all about the compo and free agency.
He mentioned the inequities of the academies and F/S the way they are handled now.

Nothing to do with the speech. Cracking the sads over Battle exercising his FA rights.

 

[bird_man]

Is there a limit to this though?
If Tigers as spooners had lost a player like Battle who let's face it solid and not an elite - would they really be getting pick 2 as compo?

Yes

 

[Diehard Saint]

Nothing to do with the speech. Cracking the sads over Battle exercising his FA rights.

Not at all.
We made him a very good offer earlier in the season. He bade his time.
His right to do it. Then made him a better offer than Hawks.

But at the end of the day he misled the club and teammates into believing he was staying and then told them otherwise at the last possible moment.
Left a bit of a sour taste I believe.

Believe me, no one is upset about not paying a good, but not superstar player $900 over 6 years and landing up with pick 8.

 

[ABAB]

Band one for 6 x 900k

How is that a joke?

It's a joke because it's 6 years at $900K not the band 1 compensation.

 

[aussierulesrules]

I did mate I thought I typed a message but it's not there.
My quote was with pick 8 your not going to get 2 x 1st rounders for it unless they are end of Round 1.

Last year we got what has turned out to be pick 26 (the one you posted) just for moving back from pick 17 to pick 18.

So that GWS wouldn’t have to draft Darcy Wilson (who we then took at 18).

So if moving up one spot in the late teens can cost you a pick in the mid-20’s, we could get plenty in a trade for pick 8.

You’ll also note that I didn’t say how we could get that pick, just that we could trade 8 and end with 3 in the 12-30 range. Ie it could involve including a later pick to sweeten the deal, or a future pick.

Ultimately though, you could not only get two picks inside 30 for just 8, but you could probably get 3.

 

[rapidfire7]

Not at all.
We made him a very good offer earlier in the season. He bade his time.
His right to do it. Then made him a better offer than Hawks.

But at the end of the day he misled the club and teammates into believing he was staying and then told them otherwise at the last possible moment.
Left a bit of a sour taste I believe.

Believe me, no one is upset about not paying a good, but not superstar player $900 over 6 years and landing up with pick 8.

However it played out exactly, he had still given your club 8 years of very solid and honest service and was only exercising his right to leave under the rule. Surely, he had earnt the right to be able to attend the awards night I would have thought. A very embarrassing moment for the club (presumably Basset behind it) which they hopefully learn from.

 

[MasterSamurai]

Hawks get their man, tick.
Saints get a top ten pick in return which is his worth, tick
Done and dusted.

 

[FB19]

Last year we got what has turned out to be pick 26 (the one you posted) just for moving back from pick 17 to pick 18.

So that GWS wouldn’t have to draft Darcy Wilson (who we then took at 18).

So if moving up one spot in the late teens can cost you a pick in the mid-20’s, we could get plenty in a trade for pick 8.

You’ll also note that I didn’t say how we could get that pick, just that we could trade 8 and end with 3 in the 12-30 range. Ie it could involve including a later pick to sweeten the deal, or a future pick.

Ultimately though, you could not only get two picks inside 30 for just 8, but you could probably get 3.

Nice try, maybe if you trade pick 8 live as everyone pays major overs to live trade. In the trade period you would struggle for 2 late firsts in this draft because of the r evenness of the pool. Anyway as I said before good result for both clubs I’m tapping out of the thread. Good luck with the picks!

 

[aussierulesrules]

Nice try, maybe if you trade pick 8 live as everyone pays major overs to live trade.

What’s “nice try” about it, I didn’t say it had to be during the trade period. It could indeed be live trading on the night.

In the trade period you would struggle for 2 late firsts in this draft because of the r evenness of the pool.

Perhaps, but it all depends on why the club is moving up. If they’re desperate to move up ahead of a bid for instance, they’ll pay what they have to. And again, I spoke about ending up with 3 picks in the 12-30 range (one of which we already have), so I don’t know why two of you now have said we wouldn’t get two firsts for 8.

Pick 30 is not in the first round!

Anyway as I said before good result for both clubs I’m tapping out of the thread. Good luck with the picks!

Thanks kindly good sir.

 

[ESPN8 The Ocho]

Lol, he was born in SA. He may have grown up in Melbourne but he's not from there.

His family's mostly all in Perth also + he was a Port supporter.

Next to zero chance he moves to Melbourne when most of his family's in Perth.

Except for Mum and Dad, and two of his three brothers.

 

[bzparkes]

Except for Mum and Dad, and two of his three brothers.

Well, according to Hamish, 'Everyone's here' in Perth, so why would he go back? Guess he's referring to other people he's close to then.

 

[stavro#4]

Seems bizarre that it was reported to be end of first round for the last 3 months.

Can only assume that him being on the young side played a significant role in the compo because it was widely reported that Hawthorn's offer was for less money.

Oh well, doesn't really effect the Hawks all that much. Would understandably be annoyed if I was a club with a pick shortly after the saints that got downgraded though.

Hawks will be sending their first rounder to West Coast anyway.

It’s been reported as borderline Band 1/2 for months.

There is not one category report saying it would be band 2. The very closest you’ll find is that nerd Cleary saying his opinion was band 2 this morning.

 

[ESPN8 The Ocho]

Well, according to Hamish, 'Everyone's here' in Perth, so why would he go back? Guess he's referring to other people he's close to then.

Maybe they’re there on holiday?
The wider family is very close.

 

[Diehard Saint]

However it played out exactly, he had still given your club 8 years of very solid and honest service and was only exercising his right to leave under the rule. Surely, he had earnt the right to be able to attend the awards night I would have thought. A very embarrassing moment for the club (presumably Basset behind it) which they hopefully learn from.

He was a very good player for the club.
And I doubt one person from the club, or supporter, resented him going but for the way he chose to do it.

Maybe Battle and his manager are two who should learn from how they handled the situation because you know, he owed the club a debt of gratitude too. For drafting and developing him and making a bloody good offer for him.

It’s really not for you or anyone outside the club to decide what was embarrassing or not. If he burnt his bridges in the way he apparently did, that’s on him.

There have been plenty players who haven’t attended B and Fs when they are leaving. This year too.