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The Rusler said:
To be honest I haven't seen a huge amount of him but has Dawes ever been tried in the ruck in the twos?? He's huge, extremely athletic and ANGRY, seems to tick all the boxes. Like the fraser 'tried' at chf thing as well i reckon the position will really suit him and then we'd have two tall guys in the forward 50 who can kick it (jack being the other).

Even Fraser would be a better forward than Reid, the blokes a potato. He might be talented but I reckon Frankie Raso was more ready when he started out.



.....ok...maybe not ;)
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I have not seen any of this anger in the AFL games he has played.
He needs to get some piss and vinegar into him asap if he's going to find a regular spot this year.
 
Pie eyed said:
I have not seen any of this anger in the AFL games he has played.
He needs to get some piss and vinegar into him asap if he's going to find a regular spot this year.
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Fair point too but he's not showing any less than Reid as a forward who has a spot at the moment (zero). I personally don't understand why people have such high opinions of these two but i think Dawes at least has good attributes. Reids got nothing but pace and he looks slow anyways. I think Dawes is worth a try in the ruck because as hard as he tries, Bryan has obvious limitations which mean he'll never be a quality ruckman, fraser is straight out shizen, woods shown nothing and leigh brown is leigh brown. we have so many tall players not getting a game we may as well try them around the place. look what's happened with cam cloke at the blues having been given a chance.
 
hmm furthermore Dawes did very well in the time trials so this suggests that he has the fitness levels to go in the ruck, well worth the shot have NOTHING to lose.
 

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Admittedly I didn't notice Reid that much in the game, but was he really that bad relatively speaking? The only players with relatively crips disposal and hands were Thomas and Medhurst (I say relatively).

Off topic a tad, I thought Daisy in the middle was a revelation, although I never imagined he would be good there.
 
Admittedly I didn't notice Reid that much in the game, but was he really that bad relatively speaking? The only players with relatively crisp disposal and hands were Thomas and Medhurst (I say relatively).

Off topic a tad, I thought Daisy in the middle was a revelation, although I never imagined he would be good there.
 
Yeh so did I, he was great. We only ever looked dangerous when he was at the centre bounces.

Reid was AWFUL. He's just lost out there, its like he's never played football in his life. He just watches the ball go past him half the time and registers 3 seconds later that he could have gone for it. He wont chase, drops marks, cant kick, is supposed to be quick but plays slow and has no footy smarts. Plus, he leads for about 3 metres and if he thinks he wont DEFINITELY mark it he pulls up and says it was all too hard and the opposition gets a clean break away. I hate knocking our players but we need Rocca or rusling back quicksmart.
 
FuManchu said:
but once again, is that MM's fault?

Fraser would make a difficult match up at CHF, I dont know why we havent given him a season there, see what it brings. Move Cloke deeper into the forward line.

Fraser will never be a ruckman, and to say he is the best option there is like saying that we know he cant ruck, but we will waste him there anyway.

If he cant ruck, and Wood can barely ruck, what does it matter who rucks then? We aint going to win the rucks either way. But Fraser could be more use somewhere else, somewhere less injury prone than the ruck as well!
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He may be difficult to match up with his height but that's where it ends as an advantage. He lacks physical presence, struggles to outmark anyone and lacks the sort of agility needed for a CHF. Therefore, I don't think he would be any good as a CHF.

It would also force us to play Wood, Bryan and Fraser all in the one side. In today's running game, that would spell disaster. He is easily our best ruck, largely due to the ineptitude of the other 2 candidates.

Apparently he has a bad back. If it is a disc problem, I can sympathize with him. Having had a prolapsed disc and subsequent operation, I can tell you that the pain is indescribable and the desire for physical contact such as footy is something less that zero. Never been a fan of his football but I admire his courage enormously.
 
rose jam said:
Don't be mistaken, Fraser is our most important player and probably the greatest finals player in the clubs history (you won't be able to name me a better one). He's missed the last month, and if he gets his run going he'll be a force
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That is laughable. I could name you about 20 but let's start with Nathan Buckley, Billy Picken, Gavin Brown, Darren Millane, Graham Wright.....I could go on but there are just too many to name.
 
kevind said:
He may be difficult to match up with his height but that's where it ends as an advantage. He lacks physical presence, struggles to outmark anyone and lacks the sort of agility needed for a CHF. Therefore, I don't think he would be any good as a CHF.

It would also force us to play Wood, Bryan and Fraser all in the one side. In today's running game, that would spell disaster. He is easily our best ruck, largely due to the ineptitude of the other 2 candidates.

Apparently he has a bad back. If it is a disc problem, I can sympathize with him. Having had a prolapsed disc and subsequent operation, I can tell you that the pain is indescribable and the desire for physical contact such as footy is something less that zero. Never been a fan of his football but I admire his courage enormously.
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I still think he is worth a gamble there, because he's only battering himself to an early footballing death by rucking. Until we see what he is like there, we just dont know. I saw him play some handy football 6 or so years back deep up forward, especially one out. He is not too bad at ground level and he is more mobile than any ruck that probably would have to play on him

And its that mismatch he creates that could be used to effect. They may be forced to play 2 rucks at any time, whereas we really are still playing only one if you dont count fraser as a ruck, because I never have! And in effect you would still only need one other ruck that rucks from the full back line thru to the HF line as fraser could do forward rucking duties. Its just a thought.

But as it stands we dont win effective ruck contests with him, so why waste him there?
 
Why would you play a ruck on him? When he plays up forward, he plays basically as a leading flanker, not as a tall. I hate the idea, fwiw.
 
mdc said:
Why would you play a ruck on him? When he plays up forward, he plays basically as a leading flanker, not as a tall. I hate the idea, fwiw.
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Because he would be 2 to 3 inches taller than most CHB's and in a marking contest, he probably would have an advantage. He is also quite mobile. Either way he creates a mismatch, he is too mobile for a ruck and maybe too tall for a key back.

FWIW, its only an idea, and he has gone forward before and been quite handy for us. And he kicks straight, and thats a bit of a rare commodity for our key forwards
 
Fraser has sucked me in again. He was looking amazing throughout the pre-season until he broke down and missed the last 2 games. I still thought he looked in top shape and picked him in my DT.


He fronts up round 1 looking like he is injured, cant be bothered and has no run.



He is not a forward. He is a good swing option up there because teams lack a matchup. But if he were to start as a forward, he would get a good opponent and be beaten.

Yes he is versatile for a tall...but he is not Buddy Franklin or Trav Cloke versatile or Nick Riewoldt versatile. He is also slower than these guys and cannot take a contested mark due to his size.


Josh is a ruckman who uses his mobility to beat his opponents. What he needs more than ever is a backup. Someone who can also have an influence. Bryan can do it from time to time...Wood should be the guy who takes charge from the hitouts. But neither have established themselves.
 

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Collingwood lol said:
firstly, learn to use fullstops and punctuation. Secondly, Fraser is one of the best players in your team. now THAT is the sad truth.
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Also you are by far the one of the weirdest posters on this forum and we have a multi isp weirdo that appears spasmodically, so yeah good luck with that
 
DaVe86 said:
Fraser has sucked me in again. He was looking amazing throughout the pre-season until he broke down and missed the last 2 games. I still thought he looked in top shape and picked him in my DT.


He fronts up round 1 looking like he is injured, cant be bothered and has no run.
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The last couple weeks he's been playing really good. Without the back up ruckman.
 
Truth is Fraser is one of our best players if he had played in the 2007 Preliminary Finla we would have won and hes a hell of alot better then the other two dopes.
 
Josh is doing ok. I traded Hille for Josh (in the SC) 3 weeks ago and it's paid handsome dividends.

Ok, Josh will never be a great tap ruckman (he miss times his run alot) but he is just about the best ruckman around the ground (and i don't mean boundary throw inns). I think he has the same problem as Wood as in his frame is to thin and no matter how many weights he does this will never change.

I don't understand why he isn't given more chances in the forward line, like he was early in his career, when things arnt working for us, like last week (i know he was the only real ruckman we had last week). I would have thought Trav or Rocca would have been a better option last week than L.Brown as the back up.

I agree we should have looked for a more solid ruck over the last few years, wich would have made Wood and Bryan work a little harder for their spot rather than just thinking it was a given considering our options. King would have been a very handy pick up for next to nix, but the facts are we don't have a King or even a Gardiner and we can't change that now.

So rather than bag Josh, who has never had a helping hand - Fanning - Richards - C.Cloke - Lets be thankfull we at least have the bloke.
 
Josh would be leading the Copeland at the moment.

Not bad for someone many want to get rid of and doing the Ruck virtually as a loner
 
Anyone here actually watching the matches? Fraser is tapping the ball into good spots (left side at centre bounces for the right side handball flip, and over the back at boundary throw ins for the breakaway), getting plenty of the ball and using very well as he always does (field kicking is exemplary as always). Guy is the league's form ruckman and only Lockyer would be on his hammer in the Copeland.
 
Fraser has been playing well in the last couple of weeks but hasn't had decent opposition. Tomorrow will be a good test for him.

As for the copeland Pendles has both Tarks and Fraser covered to date.
 
mdc said:
Yeah, Pendles first, with Fraser, Lockyer and Cox chasing.
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There's this guy named Prestigiacomo who hasnt had an opponent beat him yet, who would easily be in the top 3-4 of the Copeland at the moment.

Josh has been bloody good though, would love to see him win a Copeland.
 

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