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[Donkey Chop]

First pick and Simpkin for Kelly.

Would you do it?

Yes. It would hurt, but yes. Kelly is a star.

 

[giantroo]

Only going on what their recruiting manager said on the Road to the Draft podcast, but their small forward situation needs attention. Greene, Smith and Deledio aren't exactly pressure machines.

If they want a forward, Rayner or Higgins will be their pick.

 

[RobZombie]

If they want a forward, Rayner or Higgins will be their pick.

They get one of Rayner, Higgins or Fogarty with 4, no problems. Taranto is in that mould too.

$DEITY, "we're so stacked in the mids we'll just spend a couple of drafts cherry picking mid-forwards in the top 5". heck.

 

[GreatBradScott]

They might be after a ready made forward too, as they are in the window now.

Shame LT has lost all trade value - and I say that as much as I love the bloke.

 

[Groin guru]

I'd burn down arden street if we traded simpkin.

He's going to another club.....quietly optimistic its us.

And taking my opinion of Goldstein away from the answer , but it will be pick 4 and Goldstein..... Mumford has struggled most of the year.

All for this. Said it all year. Mumford is on his last legs and they'd prefer to keep lobb in the forward line. They could easily get another 3 years out of goldy. We'd need to pick up a project ruck but jesus the way we've developed them lately we could start a factory just to trade them out for a premium. Our stocks would be:

1. Preuss
2. Daw
3. Project
4. Durdin, larkey or mckay at a pinch - like the mooney role he played early on with great success at the cats, or when petrie almost won AA playing as an agile ruck.

 

[Rooboy 96]

I reckon 4th/22/player will.

Who is the player?

If JK nominates us 4 and steak knives (never thought I would call Goldie steak knives) will get it done, or we let GWS try to bluff with them getting nothing and sending him to the PSD, 4 is still a very good pick when you are GWS and have to use your picks on matching points all the time.

 

[RobZombie]

They might be after a ready made forward too, as they are in the window now.

Shame LT has lost all trade value - and I say that as much as I love the bloke.

I was thinking it but afraid to say it out loud. He would be a good fit with Stevie J retiring. The sort of late-career cream on the top player they've taken on in the past.

Love the bloke too and would be happy to see him get a second wind if his time is up here.

 

[ozzyoslo]

If that turns out to be the case then we will certainly have to draft a project ruckman. Probably rookie a mature ruckman as well.

Absolutely......but as I said many times before there are always 2nd / 3rd string rucks from other clubs happy to walk for a chance to play senior games with us.

 

[archereleven]

I was thinking it but afraid to say it out loud. He would be a good fit with Stevie J retiring. The sort of late-career cream on the top player they've taken on in the past.

Love the bloke too and would be happy to see him get a second wind if his time is up here.

Maybe port which will allow wingard more midfield time?

He won't get a free kick no matter where plays...

 

[Jindrrk]

I doubt Goldy is going anywhere but Goldy is a lot more athletic than Mummy and not sure how much endurance Mummy will have. He's vital to their team but not if he labours next year. His impact this year hasnt been as great. Theyre in the window so I could see why if GWS would be keen if they think Mummy is on the decline fast.

 

[ozzyoslo]

I doubt Goldy is going anywhere but Goldy is a lot more athletic than Mummy and not sure how much endurance Mummy will have. He's vital to their team but not if he labours next year. His impact this year hasn't been as great. Theyre in the window so I could see why if GWS would be keen if they think Mummy is on the decline fast.

Fitness isnt the problem with Gold Stone......its all upstairs. It appears he needs a new start maybe. But in saying that, he gets to reset over summer, the club shows support ( if we dont offload him ) he gets that mental baggage that appears on his shoulders now away....who knows the 2015 Goldstone may reappear.

 

[chaelsonnen]

First pick and Simpkin for Kelly.

Would you do it?

Regardless of my opinion, it's definitely a 'no' from the club. No chance in hell they give up Simpkin. So not even worth talking.
I'd be against it, but can see them giving up a player like Durdin though.

 

[SnowRoo]

If we had 1+18 and PSD pick 1 we may have been able to get away with 18 and our 2018 1st.

as it stands now we have lost any position we may have had for this trade and will be at the will of GWS completely.

For mine 4 and 21 don't even go close to getting it done.

4 + 2018 1st will be the minimum they ask for. If we get lucky we may get a 2nd or 3rd back.

This is the bed we made now we must lie in it. If we can't guarantee Josh that we can get him here no matter what personally i can't see him choosing us anymore.

 

[numchuks]

If we had 1+18 and PSD pick 1 we may have been able to get away with 18 and our 2018 1st.

as it stands now we have lost any position we may have had for this trade and will be at the will of GWS completely.

For mine 4 and 21 don't even go close to getting it done.

4 + 2018 1st will be the minimum they ask for. If we get lucky we may get a 2nd or 3rd back.

This is the bed we made now we must lie in it. If we can't guarantee Josh that we can get him here no matter what personally i can't see him choosing us anymore.

We would have never had pick 1 and pick 18.

Had we finished last our second pick (18) would have been swapped with the dogs second.

 

[SnowRoo]

We would have never had pick 1 and pick 18.

Had we finished last our second pick (18) would have been swapped with the dogs second.

We swapped 3rd and 4th rounds not 2nd

 

[numchuks]

We swapped 3rd and 4th rounds not 2nd

My mistake. Feels better knowing that.

 

[chaelsonnen]

My mistake. Feels better knowing that.

Yeah, it feels good to know they only finished a few spots ahead of us.
In the end we got Hrovat for the equivalent of pick #61.

 

[R00StaR]

Can't disagree with any of that. Maybe Thompson out too.

More than happy to re-rookie Jed.

Whats harder imo is how do we manage the list if we get neither?

We'd be in for a much longer and deeper rebuild. Players such as Goldie, Tarrant, Wright would be done before we should start heading back up - unless we want more 9ths. Then when we should start the rise we'd have a group of players like Brown, JZ and Cunners all around 30.

It appears to me it would be prudent to move on just about anyone over 23 with value if that were the case. Id deadset hate it but thinking with the head instead of the heart it would seem the sensible thing to do.

And thats why im so seething over the Brisbane win (although i accept to lose wouldve taken playing the worst footy North's ever played) - it makes it harder to get Kelly without costing us a player who'd help with that window, which could potentially influence Martin's decision. Saturday made our worst nightmare (neither) a little more likely.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Whats harder imo is how do we manage the list if we get neither

Go to the draft with picks 4 & 21, upgrade Zurhaar with 44, pick up a rookie or two and reload Jacobs, Waite, Hansen, Gibson & Thompson on 1 year contracts, then return with even more money to raid next season.

I highly suspect that if Martin is going to re-sign with Richmond we will know within the next 11 days. Otherwise, if he stalls to see how they go in the finals then he will out of there after the Brownlow.

 

[TruRoos7]

We can go into deficit next year for the F/S's and TT depends on where the bids for those players ends up being and what points we need to gain to pay for them.
But I will say it again we shot ourselves in the foot not getting number 1...
It makes everything so much more expensive if josh wants in as we don't have as much currency to work with.

 

[Only Forwards]

We don't have much currency to work with?

There has only been 1 occasion where we've had a pick higher than pick 4.

Collingwood traded pick 7 and a future first round for Treloar. Sure this ended up about 3200 points or something. It could have been 2500. Which is about our first and second.

This will be about what we pay.

Yeah if we had pick 1 maybe it only costs pick 1.

We don't, we'll deal with it.

I don't know much but I say the following with dead set certainty.

Our offer to Josh Kelly was not and was never conditional on us getting pick 1.

 

[lockheed]

I've been overseas for a couple of months so it's hard to get a gauge as to where we are at with Kelly and Martin . 2 things come to mind . Firstly i was of the opinion that if we had raised our offer to dusty that it meant Kelly had said no to us (yet still not signed with Giants)???
Secondly I wonder if Kelly has agreed to come to us and that's why we went so hard to win yesterday . Yes the number 1 draft pick is better than 4 in terms of trade value but to part with pick 4 and a player for Kelly I believe is the best for our culture moving forward . Thoughts ?

I disagree.

In the "double deal' thread, drawing on Augustine's earlier post, and after some finger in the air assumptions about what the departing players were paid last year, noting the increase in the salary cap, assuming that we frontloaded all this spare money on contracts, and assuming that we've been at 95% of the salary cap for the last three years (and so can reclaim 105% of the extra three years, I estimate that we have a $6.3 M kitty. It may even be more, if we've been frontloading contracts for more than a year.

I don't know whether we will get either Kelly or Martin, but I assume that the 'journalists' are being intellectually lazy (surprise), assuming that our pot of money was around $2M, and that increasing our offer to Dusty could only mean that we were spending money that had been meant for Josh.

 

[Tas]

I'd burn down arden street if we traded simpkin.


All for this. Said it all year. Mumford is on his last legs and they'd prefer to keep lobb in the forward line. They could easily get another 3 years out of goldy. We'd need to pick up a project ruck but jesus the way we've developed them lately we could start a factory just to trade them out for a premium. Our stocks would be:

1. Preuss
2. Daw
3. Project
4. Durdin, larkey or mckay at a pinch - like the mooney role he played early on with great success at the cats, or when petrie almost won AA playing as an agile ruck.

If we lose the Stein we will probably recruit another developing ruckman.

 

[R00StaR]

Go to the draft with picks 4 & 21, upgrade Zurhaar with 44, pick up a rookie or two and reload Jacobs, Waite, Hansen, Gibson & Thompson on 1 year contracts, then return with even more money to raid next season.

I highly suspect that if Martin is going to re-sign with Richmond we will know within the next 11 days. Otherwise, if he stalls to see how they go in the finals then he will out of there after the Brownlow.

Im sure you see the danger of this strategy. Even with more money available 2.5m to 2.7m for 2 players seems top end, meanwhile the trade value on our list diminishes year over year.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Pick 4 + Wood.