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Something was lost in translation there mrsK,
that's is incorrect information.
the "marine expert" is not so expert?
(I am actually the one who researched the weather info in the first place, as seen on another sleuthing website )
The swell at cottesloe Beach would have been at the most 3 metres but more likely 2.5 - 2 metres.
There was no "storm surge" either , that is the incorrect term for the situation, there was just a high tide with swell / waves.
The barometric pressure was not causing "inverse barometer effects"
which is a "storm surge"
The storm / low cell : hpa pressure was already passed and a high pressure cell moved in during the AM / morning of Monday 20th June.
storm surge would have likely occurred during the previous days 18th & 19th June 1988.
Another factor they couldn't get right for the inquest ?



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Yes, you have put a lot of research into this and tbh I trust your findings for this reason. What are your thoughts on what this guy said about the items being found in the dunes originating from the ocean/car?
 
Yes, you have put a lot of research into this and tbh I trust your findings for this reason. What are your thoughts on what this guy said about the items being found in the dunes originating from the ocean/car?
The things may have just been taken south by current and then washed ashore, the seat was found at the Cove (south of groyne)

my study of the current has it going southward on Monday, Tuesday Wednesday
Then over the next days, a storm occured that could have blown things onto the beaches very probable.
not sure about the tide for that storm,( if it was a high tide, plus storm surge)

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If Bradley Edwards actually did do a psychology unit at some point in his life to date, that would not surprise me.

Psychology units/studies often attracts people who have psychological issues, to help them better understand themselves, or from having taken an interest in the subject when doing some self-psychoanalysis or self-learning to understand their behavior, or their families behavior.

And there was apparently at least one qualified psychologist on convicted Bradley Edwards Claremont (Serial?) Killer 2nd wife's side of the family.
for the appalling sickening convictions BRE was accounted for, would of thought he needed a psychiatrist or courses(if applicable)

The three main differences between psychiatrists and psychologists are:

  1. Psychiatrists are medical doctors, psychologists are not.
  2. Psychiatrists prescribe medication, psychologists can't.
  3. Psychiatrists diagnose illness, manage treatment and provide a range of therapies for complex and SERIOUS MENTAL ILLNESS. Psychologists focus on providing psychotherapy (talk therapy) to help patients.

And regarding a car underneath water, would of thought it would be easier to open a car door if the window was wound down opposed to the window wound up from the balanced equal pressure



 
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anyone wants to see the photos of hindcasted weather maps, swell height graphs,
old newspaper clip weather pages etc please P message for them.
I don't want to post here because there's so many of them. I'm worried they will be blurry too,
will post one to test how if comes out
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seems to have come out clear so here is more.

You can see a high pressure cell moves on the 20th which negates the storm surge (of the previous days)
can see the swell forecast was 3 metres on "small boats forecast"
that 3m swell was easing from the days prior when it was a massive storm swell with huge average wave (not maximum) heights of up 7 metres of Rottnest and Cape naturaliste
the maps from the 17-19th June have strong fronts in succession ,
I think this is why there wasn't many people on the beach that mon 20th morning, but it had begun to clear up and change that day and by Tuesday the winds were north and north easterly which helped the southward leeuwin current
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storm fronts in days prior , makes big swells and cleans the beach , on the morning on the Monday 20th the beach was swept clean by the high tide and thus no tracks were seen on the beach when tide receded in the monday afternoon . the weather got finer and people went to the beach and on Wednesday a swimmer found car , it maybe took so long to be noticed due to the water being murky, with waves, and seaweed smothering it.
"small boats" says swell 2.5m this time
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this pic with blue marks shows the northerly wind that followed the car entering on the Monday Am.
if items are in the water after being sucked out to sea in the current then they will be taken south, 1988 was la Nina and the leeuwin current is stronger than usual also . the North wind held for a few days before turning into a rain drenching storm cell. see in this synoptic map dated 21-25th June 88
this would wash in things if floating still
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this pic with blue marks shows the northerly wind that followed the car entering on the Monday Am.
if items are in the water after being sucked out to sea in the current then they will be taken south, 1988 was la Nina and the leeuwin current is stronger than usual also . the North wind held for a few days before turning into a rain drenching storm cell. see in this synoptic map dated 21-25th June 88
this would wash in things if floating still
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very informative and interesting and actually learnt somethings about the way the oceans work

SWELL VS SURF

We can learn more with this information:

Swell​

"Swell" is a group of waves that travel across the ocean, created & energized by wind blowing on the back of the waves. “A swell” suggests a group of waves with a distinguishable height, period and direction, more than likely coming from a unique source (such as a specific hurricane, storm, or even a local wind system).



Below is a snapshot of wave height across the North Atlantic (click here to go to the chart). The red boxes highlight a couple of swells traveling towards Europe:

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Here is the corresponding swell analysis graph for a spot on the West coast of Portugal — Supertubos:



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All different swells arriving at a spot, having travelled across the ocean, are laid underneath the surf height in the swell analysis graph

I have highlighted the 2 different swells identified on the North Atlantic chart arriving on Friday evening and Saturday night. As Supertubos is open/exposed to the direction of the arrows, you can see that the resulting surf size at the beach increases with the arrival of both swells. Multiple swells will combine and interact with one another, to produce the surf (or more simply the breaking waves) you see at the beach.



Surf​

As swells arrives at the beach, shallow water forces waves to slow down and rise up above the surface, morphing as it goes through a process known as "wave shoaling".

Shoaling And Refraction - Magicseaweed




Surf is swell that has arrived in shallow enough water to rise up above the surface, and break. You can imagine that the lefthand side of the below diagram represents swell, and the righthand side represents surf.

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A single wave in a swell has two dimensions: height and length. Period and height provide us with both the X and Y measurements of the wave, respectively. Measuring length in seconds might seem strange, but measuring a wave’s length in meters would be extremely difficult in practice. So, to get an idea of the wavelength of a wave, you simply measure the time it takes for a buoy to get "bobbed" up and down, in seconds — the time it takes for 2 successive crests/troughs to pass a fixed point.

Swells; a deeper dive​

That height and length we mentioned will give us an idea of the "volume" of water the wave is moving.



If you imagine a wave with a long wavelength but small size (e.g. 2ft @ 20 seconds), you might find that — sitting on a boat — the up/down movement feels minimal. But, as the volume of water is quite large (due to the high period of 20 seconds); when this swell arrives at shallow water, it morphs in a way to produce large surf.



Likewise, you might have a swell with a height of 5ft and a period of 6 seconds... This would be quite typical of "stormy", or "messy" seas. On a boat, you will feel a lot of up-and-down movement, maybe even to the point of throwing up! The swell size might be large; but due to the small period of the wave, the "volume" of water that will be forced up above the surface as it arrives at the beach won't be so significant, and therefore will not necessarily result in "large" surf.



What about drift?
when young on my fathers runabout had always wondered how easy and dangerous we could be in another position from the last and within you not even notice it in a very short time frame.



keeping to my personal opinion, was the attention deliberately focused there in the ocean whilst the opposite direction her disappearance was in full work

who knows


 
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very informative and interesting and actually learnt somethings about the way the oceans work

SWELL VS SURF

We can learn more with this information:

Swell​

"Swell" is a group of waves that travel across the ocean, created & energized by wind blowing on the back of the waves. “A swell” suggests a group of waves with a distinguishable height, period and direction, more than likely coming from a unique source (such as a specific hurricane, storm, or even a local wind system).



Below is a snapshot of wave height across the North Atlantic (click here to go to the chart). The red boxes highlight a couple of swells traveling towards Europe:

Screenshot_2021-11-11_at_10.28.00.png




Here is the corresponding swell analysis graph for a spot on the West coast of Portugal — Supertubos:



Screenshot_2021-11-11_at_10.25.18.png


All different swells arriving at a spot, having travelled across the ocean, are laid underneath the surf height in the swell analysis graph

I have highlighted the 2 different swells identified on the North Atlantic chart arriving on Friday evening and Saturday night. As Supertubos is open/exposed to the direction of the arrows, you can see that the resulting surf size at the beach increases with the arrival of both swells. Multiple swells will combine and interact with one another, to produce the surf (or more simply the breaking waves) you see at the beach.



Surf​

As swells arrives at the beach, shallow water forces waves to slow down and rise up above the surface, morphing as it goes through a process known as "wave shoaling".

Shoaling And Refraction - Magicseaweed




Surf is swell that has arrived in shallow enough water to rise up above the surface, and break. You can imagine that the lefthand side of the below diagram represents swell, and the righthand side represents surf.

sinewave-750x210.jpeg


A single wave in a swell has two dimensions: height and length. Period and height provide us with both the X and Y measurements of the wave, respectively. Measuring length in seconds might seem strange, but measuring a wave’s length in meters would be extremely difficult in practice. So, to get an idea of the wavelength of a wave, you simply measure the time it takes for a buoy to get "bobbed" up and down, in seconds — the time it takes for 2 successive crests/troughs to pass a fixed point.

Swells; a deeper dive​

That height and length we mentioned will give us an idea of the "volume" of water the wave is moving.



If you imagine a wave with a long wavelength but small size (e.g. 2ft @ 20 seconds), you might find that — sitting on a boat — the up/down movement feels minimal. But, as the volume of water is quite large (due to the high period of 20 seconds); when this swell arrives at shallow water, it morphs in a way to produce large surf.



Likewise, you might have a swell with a height of 5ft and a period of 6 seconds... This would be quite typical of "stormy", or "messy" seas. On a boat, you will feel a lot of up-and-down movement, maybe even to the point of throwing up! The swell size might be large; but due to the small period of the wave, the "volume" of water that will be forced up above the surface as it arrives at the beach won't be so significant, and therefore will not necessarily result in "large" surf.



What about drift?
when young on my fathers runabout had always wondered how easy and dangerous we could be in another position from the last and within you not even notice it in a very short time frame.



keeping to my personal opinion, was the attention deliberately focused there in the ocean whilst the opposite direction her disappearance was in full work

who knows


hey skygem,
I don't really understand what you posted this stuff for?
I will presume you will know what this means!


I'm a reputable surf forecaster, having ~ 25 years experience with west Australian coast wave climate, I did a study of the Cottesloe wave climate for over a year monitoring the
DoTR swell buoy - just for this missing person Case.


hopefully here now I provide this Interesting bit of information about "long period swell" arriving you will be able to comprehend. I don't think many people can understand this bit I have posted before on a sleuthing website.
this can be like a test of you and the others here knowledge;
During Tuesday night / early morning Wednesday (the day the car was found) a "long period swell" (18-20 seconds)
was arriving and may have contributed to the damage the car sustained from moving around on the hard limestone rock sea floor bottom.
I have more pictures to show this data /information - some graphs, anyone want to see them ?


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this can be like a test of you and the others here knowledge;
During Tuesday night / early morning Wednesday (the day the car was found) a "long period swell" (18-20 seconds)
was arriving and may have contributed to the damage the car sustained from moving around on the hard limestone rock sea floor bottom.
A along period swell is when you have more time to catch a few winks of rest between waves, if there are no shorter period swells as well at a particular location.

I guess that the long period swell's are usually from powerful weather events (like deep low pressure systems a long way away) that originate from further away and travel vast distances, than shorter period swell's from closer weather events.
 

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Challenge:
Who would have likely been the TV weather presenters in Perth around 20 June, 1988?
Ch 10 = Michael Schultz
Ch 9 = ?
Ch 7 = ?
Ch 2 = ?
Could not have been Michael Schultz, he didn't join 10 until 1998. On June 20th 1988 channel 10 had existed in Perth for exactly one month only (Not sure how long the test pattern ran for before broadcasting started). It was launched in Perth on May 20th 1988.

Edit: Back then it was "Weather Girls" who presented the weather, it wasn't until the 90s IIRC that meteorologists started presenting the weather...

Edit #2 : Just remembered, 10 Perth's first weather presenter was John Barnett.
 
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Edit: Back then it was "Weather Girls" who presented the weather, it wasn't until the 90s IIRC that meteorologists started presenting the weather...
Thanks. That narrows it down about 50% of the population.

Might be easier to ask who didn't present the TV weather reports around June 1988.
 
Edit #2 : Just remembered, 10 Perth's first weather presenter was John Barnett.
I'm sure it was John Barnett that I meant to post the name of from my google research yesterday, when somehow I typed Michael Schultz as the answer.
It was definitely John's face that came up in my results.
His big glasses were unforgettable.
I wonder if we were to pitch a date at him, he'd remember what the weather or forecast was for that day?

'The station commenced broadcasting on 20 May 1988, making Perth the last of the capital cities to get full network service. By this time, it had been scaled back considerably and was little more than a low-cost relay of network programming from Sydney, without the local content that Treasure had wanted to produce.

The first news team included former Nine newsreader Greg Pearce, Alan Hynd, Gina Pickering, Peter Perrin, Debra Bishop, Ian Brayshaw and John Barnett.'
 
Challenge:
Who would have likely been the TV weather presenters in Perth around 20 June, 1988?
Ch 10 = Michael Schultz ?
Ch 9 = ?
Ch 7 = ?
Ch 2 = ?
Grant Woodhams Channel 7?

 
Do you really want see them all again bfew ?
don't you remember them all, it was about 5 years ago...
But they weren't in a dedicated Julie Cutler thread, and are not easy to find.
I don't remember alot of the specific details in them.
And I think would be of great value to this dedicated thread if you would be so kind to post those you think are still relevant.
 
I'm sure it was John Barnett that I meant to post the name of from my google research yesterday, when somehow I typed Michael Schultz as the answer.
It was definitely John's face that came up in my results.
His big glasses were unforgettable.
I wonder if we were to pitch a date at him, he'd remember what the weather or forecast was for that day?

'The station commenced broadcasting on 20 May 1988, making Perth the last of the capital cities to get full network service. By this time, it had been scaled back considerably and was little more than a low-cost relay of network programming from Sydney, without the local content that Treasure had wanted to produce.

The first news team included former Nine newsreader Greg Pearce, Alan Hynd, Gina Pickering, Peter Perrin, Debra Bishop, Ian Brayshaw and John Barnett.'

You can see the news broadcasters in this embarrassing clip.
 
10 = John Barnett
9 =
7 = Grant Woodhams
2 =
I'm sure it was John Barnett that I meant to post the name of from my google research yesterday, when somehow I typed Michael Schultz as the answer.
It was definitely John's face that came up in my results.
His big glasses were unforgettable.
I wonder if we were to pitch a date at him, he'd remember what the weather or forecast was for that day?

'The station commenced broadcasting on 20 May 1988, making Perth the last of the capital cities to get full network service. By this time, it had been scaled back considerably and was little more than a low-cost relay of network programming from Sydney, without the local content that Treasure had wanted to produce.

The first news team included former Nine newsreader Greg Pearce, Alan Hynd, Gina Pickering, Peter Perrin, Debra Bishop, Ian Brayshaw and John Barnett.'
The only reason I remembered his name was because I was reflecting on where I was living at the time and that was in Barnett St in North Perth.
 
hey skygem,
I don't really understand what you posted this stuff for?
I will presume you will know what this means!


I'm a reputable surf forecaster, having ~ 25 years experience with west Australian coast wave climate, I did a study of the Cottesloe wave climate for over a year monitoring the
DoTR swell buoy - just for this missing person Case.


hopefully here now I provide this Interesting bit of information about "long period swell" arriving you will be able to comprehend. I don't think many people can understand this bit I have posted before on a sleuthing website.
this can be like a test of you and the others here knowledge;
During Tuesday night / early morning Wednesday (the day the car was found) a "long period swell" (18-20 seconds)
was arriving and may have contributed to the damage the car sustained from moving around on the hard limestone rock sea floor bottom.
I have more pictures to show this data /information - some graphs, anyone want to see them ?


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it's all cool, i'm sure you are reputable, that is why i find your posts very interesting and informative, my posts are just extending a bit with the hope others can see another thought pattern related to this the overall subject of weather patterns and predictions relating to this case we here are interested to know more, my saying is the "more info available, the more chances of keeping clues available", so keep them coming friend, they all are important in solving a case

ps...i'm take a back seat now, your the expert on this particular subject👍:)
 
Ch 2 = John Holland
You mean, Peter Holland (not John the builder).
Peter was an ABC news presenter (1966?-1998), but might have done the weather a few times if the weather person was not there, or as a cost saving measure.

'Greenfingers' and Country Hour host, John Colwill, was also the ABC's weatherman for many years. Possibly including 1988.

Some of Ch 7's weather presenter's are showcased in the below video, but the 1988 one is elusive.
  • Vin Walsh (from 1959)
  • Trina 'The Wink' Brown
  • Sam Kronja
  • Judy Thompson
  • Ann Sanders (1982?)
  • ????? (1983-1991)
  • Jeff Newman (1991-2009)

 
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10 = John Barnett
9 =
7 = Grant Woodhams
2 =

The only reason I remembered his name was because I was reflecting on where I was living at the time and that was in Barnett St in North Perth.
if i recall john barnett went on to host Postcards WA? met him once when he was filming at Ascot race course. said hello and had a quick chat, seemed like a genuine guy from what i recall. after filming the segment he came over and said hi to people that were standing about watching, didnt snub the crowd at all/
 

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