Coach Justin Longmuir Pt 2

[JammoMonty]

If Hinkley re-signs Freo have to at least ask the question of Carr. It’s a hard watch when the view from the coaches box comes on and JL has that deer in the headlights look followed by a shake of the head.

Come down to the bench once in a while and deliver the message first hand. Nothing inspirational about JL. Vanilla. I think I turned the tv on/off a record time yesterday. Surprised the remote didn’t explode.

 

[wakojako]

If Hinkley re-signs Freo have to at least ask the question of Carr. It’s a hard watch when the view from the coaches box comes on and JL has that deer in the headlights look followed by a shake of the head.

We do not need an inexperienced coach, we need a well established one. That is why C. Scott is the only one I have my eye on. Hinkley is another option but it makes me nervous.

 

[JammoMonty]

We do not need an inexperienced coach, we need a well established one. That is why C. Scott is the only one I have my eye on. Hinkley is another option but it makes me nervous.

Was an assistant under Mark Harvey yeah?

 

[DocT]

I think it is very obvious that if Chris Scott

Chris Scott

Age

48

Ht

182cm

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89kg

Pos.

Fwd

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Last 5

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16.6

4star

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11.2

4star

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5.4

4star

M

5.1

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1.6

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0.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.2

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10.2

4star

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3.0

3star

M

2.2

3star

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2.8

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0.4

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said he would come to Fremantle we'd take him in a flash - probably 12 or so clubs would do the same. Brutal but that is the nature of the business the coaches are in. Unless he does that then JLo has more than earned the right to have the club's backing for 2025.

 

[freo1997]

Joe on 6pr. Yeah Jlo not going anywhere but there is room for improvement.

Joe, Simon, Jlo….

It’s the boys club.

 

[Dirty_banchez]

Next year is going to be a circus with JL at the end of his contract.

It would be a laugh if we went and nabbed Dean Cox

Dean Cox

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43

Ht

203cm

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107kg

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15.9

4star

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8.9

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6.9

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5.3

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1.5

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0.6

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13.0

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5.8

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7.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

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1.4

4star

G

0.0

1star

from Sydney.

 

[Dirty_banchez]

Joe on 6pr. Yeah Jlo not going anywhere but there is room for improvement.

Massive improvement needed. Champion Data have been emphatic all year that our game plan will not wash in Finals. We do not turn the ball over from half-back and create scoring opportunities. All year we have been the easiest team to transition the ball against, and we got found out against 3 contenders.

 

[Docker82]

Massive improvement needed. Champion Data have been emphatic all year that our game plan will not wash in Finals. We do not turn the ball over from half-back and create scoring opportunities. All year we have been the easiest team to transition the ball against, and we got found out against 3 contenders.

Lol. Geelong is not a contender.

 

[Polly]

JLo’s presser and I’m paraphrasing:
“Defining the grind to get better in the offseason” he definately is a power of positivity the bloke is a constant downer, where is your enthusiasm mate??
Saying that the club can’t sack him now with so much invested in him. If it turns to shit next year he’ll be gone.

 

[Midnite65]

We have 5 players named in the 2024 All-Australian squad. As many as any other team in the comp.

He has the cattle.

But not the depth

 

[Lach72]

I'd agree with that with the notable exception of that first 10 minutes of the 3rd qtr people are talking about. We absolutely came out flat as a tack after half time for some reason. It was pathetic given what was at stake.

You know what happened then?

Fyfe was in the middle and Hayden Young was sitting on the ****ing bench. We then got our arses handed to us out of the middle.

 

[Joao]

Pending a massive surprise, it's telling that 0 or 1 make the team. Where as all of Sydney's squad members will likely make the team.

It tells you we're close, but not quite there.

 

[ROGS]

Joe on 6pr. Yeah Jlo not going anywhere but there is room for improvement.

Joe, Simon, Jlo….

It’s the boys club.

Talking about Garlick, not a peep from him over the past 4 weeks ? Leaves it all to Joe

Also Belly what is his current role ? (heard he was runner for the girls last practice match)

 

[james haish]

The spine that played yesterday or fully fit best 22?

The spine that played most of the season.

No reason the side that lost to Essendon couldn’t have beat them. Or the side that lost to West Coast

 

[james haish]

We’re not as good as people think we are, yet.

stop with the “yet”. He’s coached five years, there’s no yet. It’s now or never.

 

[WilloTree]

He needed a reset of some form of another for weeks. Banfield was running in a clear deficit, not performing adequately. The team couldn't really afford to carry that deficit, especially given the run we had. No need to get in "an imaginary gun", just someone who could hold their own.

Even a development position would've been preferable. Banfield could've even come back in if he got some form back too.

That's just it though. There wasn't one. The options were Emmett, who was terrible and DeLean, who struggled at WAFL level. Neither could hold their own as Banfield did for most of the season.

 

[james haish]

Do you think we are travelling so badly that a new coach is required? 4 weeks ago we were top 4.

Going from top four to missing finals in the space of four weeks is the definition of “travelling badly”. If you did the probability of us losing all four games you’d have got <5%. We were favourites in all four aside from the GWS game.

Somehow we beat the odds for shitness

 

[arsesmart]

That's just it though. There wasn't one. The options were Emmett, who was terrible and DeLean, who struggled at WAFL level. Neither could hold their own as Banfield did for most of the season.

There's always options for someone running in deficit the way Banfield was. We're not a bottom 4 side.

 

[Stinky Lomax]

I'll put aside your rant about facebook, if you want a discussion on a discussuon forum like you claim a simple question shouldn't provoke that response. Just answer it.

Here's another simple question for you, if he's so highly regarded how many clubs in the league currently would swap their coach for him? Eagles obviously, Adelaide for sure, Melbourne probably although Goodwin has won one so has credits, Richmond maybe but their guy has only had one year, I'd even throw in crazy Vossy. Three clubs likely, five at the absolute most, in my opinion, would see him as superior to what they currently have. That's my opinion, how many do you think?

I don't think we're getting a Chris Scott as our next coach, it's fantasy. And why do we necessarily need to? History shows every flag this century has been won by a first time coach except Matthews and Malthouse. Clubs contending for flags appoint first time coaches all the time.

What those clubs usually don't do, as I have shown before, is hang onto coaches that haven't, in their first five years, at least made a prelim final. They give them a good run at it for a few years but then don't fall for a sunk cost fallacy. There have been 18 premiership coaches since we joined the league in 1995. Hardwick is the only one that didn't at least make a prelim in his first five years. Longmuir is statistically unlikely to win a flag. He's finished 12th. 11th. 6th, 14th, 10th in five seasons. And as has been discussed already today, the reason the club gave him the one year extension was to give him every chance to make finals undistracted. It was a calculated delaying tactic that didn't work and now in my view they either need to cut their losses or give him another extension before the 2025 season begins since it makes no sense to go into next year with him in his final contract year when they thought it was a bad idea to do it this year. I would prefer the former obviously.

There are multiple highly regarded assistant coaches out there. Cox, Carr, Montgomery, Leppitsch etc. I certainly wouldn't be relying on those coaches saying no to the eagles as a sign of unavailability to coach our list. Not lall of them may be the right fit for our club but that's why they need to be doing due diligence. The alternative is to sack him with no replacement in mind and just ahve an open processs, I am not sure if that's better though, it seems a smarter move to do our research.

The question at this moment isn’t which club would prefer him, but who out there is better to replace him. The only one who has been around clubs that have had the unlimited success is Leppitsch & I would have no issue in him coming in.

But JL is going to be given a shot at it next year, nothing surer for a number of reasons. They were close this year, but many on here far overrate our team.

Our forward half are very young, we’re relying on 3 blokes under the age of 22 playing against very accomplished systems & we lack a quality small forward to feed off them. Frederick, Banfield & Sturt are very inconsistent, Walters is past it & Switta tries hard but does not have class.

Our midfield does not bat deep & once one of the big 3 go out, we lose momentum. Fyfes past it, Johnson still working it all out & the rest can compete but nothing special at this stage. We need speed in there.

Sharp plays a role & works hard, but at this stage is a very average footballer & we have no solution on the other wing. Nod could be it, but looks more value in the middle to me. Our backline is our strength but our depth KPD are very young & the one who looked promising as a replacement did his knee in the first round. But on the whole, the backline was our most consistent line.

We don’t have a decent back up ruck who can compete at the top level, we saw that yesterday when Reidy was completely pantsed by a recycled ruckman. We had injuries to 3 or our KPD’s which we were able to manage for the most, but when Pearce went down, no McDonald & Cox struggling off a long rehab we got exposed.

Losing Treacy & Darcy, probably our 2 most important big men with Pearce was pretty hard to replace against teams like Geelong, Port & GWS. Without those 3 this year, we are not a top 8 team & it showed. Hopefully over the summer with another preseason, them missing isn’t such a big issue next year.

Do people agree that if those 3 play the final 3 games at close to full fitness we win? I’m not sure you can disagree & we’re sitting around 4th probably. But we don’t have the depth yet to cover them, particularly Treacy & Darcy.

The club on the back of this years performances are not going to sack Longmuir now, they are not going to piss around $600k+up against the wall & be able to put together a decent coaching group with that much out of the soft cap. Plus they can’t afford it.

Under no circumstances should JL be extended until towards the end of next year, but no one is doing any due diligence on potential coaches until the bye next year. You can’t back a coach in & then start shopping around this far out.

 

[WilloTree]

The spine that played most of the season.

No reason the side that lost to Essendon couldn’t have beat them. Or the side that lost to West Coast

Yes, I agree. If Pearce, Darcy and Treacy played the whole season we would have made the 8.

 

[Fat Nyfe]

Who is available that you are sure is a better person to coach?

We're fans on a football forum. Unless someone here works in the industry, how are we to know.

I bet not a single Collingwood fan in 2021 put up Craig McRae as a suggestion when they were looking for a coach, because he wasn't a big name assistant. The Pies found him.

One thing I can guarantee is that there are multiple assistant coaches out there working at clubs right now, who will be premiership AFL senior coaches in future. It's the job of the people running the club to correctly spot that talent and bring them in.

 

[Fat Nyfe]

JLo’s presser and I’m paraphrasing:
“Defining the grind to get better in the offseason” he definately is a power of positivity the bloke is a constant downer, where is your enthusiasm mate??
Saying that the club can’t sack him now with so much invested in him. If it turns to shit next year he’ll be gone.

Sunk cost fallacy is very real with JL right now.

 

[blue shark]

We're fans on a football forum. Unless someone here works in the industry, how are we to know.

I bet not a single Collingwood fan in 2021 put up Craig McRae as a suggestion when they were looking for a coach, because he wasn't a big name assistant. The Pies found him.

One thing I can guarantee is that there are multiple assistant coaches out there working at clubs right now, who will be premiership AFL senior coaches in future. It's the job of the people running the club to correctly spot that talent and bring them in.

Have a closer look at how other teams have the experience to help out their
Head coaches.
Sam Mitchell has Brett Ratten in his corner, then look at Freo.
It’s across the board yet all we ever hear above is it’s the players that are
the problem.
Freo are great deflectors, and which next Messiah trade will bring success.
Only thing hard at Freo is the location of the facilities.

 

[DocT]

The question at this moment isn’t which club would prefer him, but who out there is better to replace him. The only one who has been around clubs that have had the unlimited success is Leppitsch & I would have no issue in him coming in.

But JL is going to be given a shot at it next year, nothing surer for a number of reasons. They were close this year, but many on here far overrate our team.

Our forward half are very young, we’re relying on 3 blokes under the age of 22 playing against very accomplished systems & we lack a quality small forward to feed off them. Frederick, Banfield & Sturt are very inconsistent, Walters is past it & Switta tries hard but does not have class.

Our midfield does not bat deep & once one of the big 3 go out, we lose momentum. Fyfes past it, Johnson still working it all out & the rest can compete but nothing special at this stage. We need speed in there.

Sharp plays a role & works hard, but at this stage is a very average footballer & we have no solution on the other wing. Nod could be it, but looks more value in the middle to me. Our backline is our strength but our depth KPD are very young & the one who looked promising as a replacement did his knee in the first round. But on the whole, the backline was our most consistent line.

We don’t have a decent back up ruck who can compete at the top level, we saw that yesterday when Reidy was completely pantsed by a recycled ruckman. We had injuries to 3 or our KPD’s which we were able to manage for the most, but when Pearce went down, no McDonald & Cox struggling off a long rehab we got exposed.

Losing Treacy & Darcy, probably our 2 most important big men with Pearce was pretty hard to replace against teams like Geelong, Port & GWS. Without those 3 this year, we are not a top 8 team & it showed. Hopefully over the summer with another preseason, them missing isn’t such a big issue next year.

Do people agree that if those 3 play the final 3 games at close to full fitness we win? I’m not sure you can disagree & we’re sitting around 4th probably. But we don’t have the depth yet to cover them, particularly Treacy & Darcy.

The club on the back of this years performances are not going to sack Longmuir now, they are not going to piss around $600k+up against the wall & be able to put together a decent coaching group with that much out of the soft cap. Plus they can’t afford it.

Under no circumstances should JL be extended until towards the end of next year, but no one is doing any due diligence on potential coaches until the bye next year. You can’t back a coach in & then start shopping around this far out.

You can’t back a coach in & then start shopping around this far out.
I'm sure Justin knows that 2025 is do or die and therefore it would be accepted by all that to some degree there is at minimum some window shopping happening even now.

 

[arsesmart]

Have a closer look at how other teams have the experience to help out their
Head coaches.
Sam Mitchell has Brett Ratten in his corner, then look at Freo.
It’s across the board yet all we ever hear above is it’s the players that are
the problem.
Freo are great deflectors, and which next Messiah trade will bring success.
Only thing hard at Freo is the location of the facilities.

Well... The AFL is an elite competition, so by definition it's hard for everybody. Some teams have it less hard than others... and we're definitely not one of those. It's much easier getting people with coaching experience into your club in Melbourne.

At the end of the day though I think going into next year (trade & sign period willing), our list will be in a reasonably good position as far as a development cycle goes. The forward line probably will need that extra sprinkling of magic dust, but otherwise, across the playing list there's plenty of pieces to improvise and mould into high level operating units.

From what I've seen, our coaching department goes alright, especially, tactically. Maybe we need a bit more confident extraversion in there for tight moments (and certainly with retention), but I'd be confident with what we've got now to guide us to the next level.