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Amazing to think Jack Hanath was a couple of straight kicks, 1 less 50 metre penalty and twisted ankle from a flag.
Coach Justin Longmuir Pt 2
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I think this argument is perhaps a little flawed, people look at those names of our top 5 (who are close to our best five players ever) and imagine all 5 playing at their peak at the same time. They obviously were all very good in 2013 but McPharlin and Pav were past their peak, Fyfe great but still yet to hit his dominant peak, only Mundy and Sandi were playing at their peak that year. It's not as clear cut as is being made out
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That's true re Pav I think at the very least. 2012 he had been playing a bit of mix of mid / forward for most of the first 10 or so rounds. Then after the dual bad losses to West Coast away and Hawthorn in Tasmania (that was the famous occasion Pav can be seen arguing with RTB on the phone during the game.) he went forward ft and kicked 59 goals in the last 14 games. Close to the best half season of footy I can remember seeing from anyone (although I am biased).
Then I think he did his back in the pre season and from there he was much reduced*. Also I think the achilles he did in the Elimination final victory over Geelong in the same year was never really better either. But yeah the back was stuffed even as early as 2013.
*It might have been the pre season leading into 2012, either way his back was degenerating from around the point.
Lyon was a great coach with a good list that absolutely had its flaws. 2012-15 speaks to his ability to wring every last bit of footballing ability out of players like Sutcliffe and de Boer. Unfortunately we kept running into a generational side at their peak. I think some of you need to let him go though. It's been 5 years since he went to the shops to get some milk and a packet of ciggies...he's not coming back.
On topic - Longmire potentially being available arguably adds another layer of pressure to Longmuir. Yeah the last two grand final performances have been abject but the man can clearly coach and would probably benefit from a year off to take stock followed by a change of scenery.
On topic - Longmire potentially being available arguably adds another layer of pressure to Longmuir. Yeah the last two grand final performances have been abject but the man can clearly coach and would probably benefit from a year off to take stock followed by a change of scenery.
That's why I said 'one of the best lists' and not 'the best list' we've ever had.
On paper it's a list far to good to be finishing 10th. If the players I mentioned step up to close to elite and with the inclusion of Bolton, there's really no reason we can't be better than the 2013 team.
We had a very good list in 2013 but a lot of things went wrong for us both on the day and also leading up to it.
Hopefully the stars align for us in 2025 as I agree this list is capable of winning it all.
And that becomes evident next year. There will be some pressure but I doubt that will worry him. He doesn't need to pull rabbits out of hats or anything. Keep the squad improving, develop the game plan, and follow the yellow brick road.
Our forward line was just too small.
We rebuilt too quickly to really have that depth or develop quality talls to support Pavlich, Sandilands, McPharlin and Johnson.
We managed to get Dawson for nothing but Anthony didn’t work. Bradley sort of did but was injured in 2013. Even a real forward/ruck instead of Clarke would’ve gone a long way even if they were only at Bradley’s level.
It was only really three drafts at best to rebuild between 2008 and 2011 when you consider how compromised 2010 and 2011 were. And the players we were rebuilding to get the most out of (the talls listed above) were all pretty much done two years later.
It was just almost the perfectly executed short rebuild if we’d somehow managed to find another KPF and/or 2-3 better bottom six players from somewhere. It’s what we tried to do between 2016 and 2018 to steal a flag with Mundy, Fyfe and Walters in their prime but it didn’t work nearly as well.
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We were incredibly unlucky with injury. If Morabito and Apeness had normal careers then Freo likely would have won at least one if not two premierships during that period.
He was getting tagged out of the game. I wonder if that would be still be an issue if he was playing mostly outside.
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S Hill trutherism now in the Longmuir threat joy.
I reckon Hill played 5 good games on the wing and they were all year 1. Bulking up and going inside and half back saved his career and from a lifetime of Rawlings following him about.
I reckon Hill played 5 good games on the wing and they were all year 1. Bulking up and going inside and half back saved his career and from a lifetime of Rawlings following him about.
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He was getting tagged out of it as an outside player. That was the point of shifting to a hybrid role inside (and later HB); to lose the tag.
Hill was a half back for West Perth when he got drafted. He got targeted in our team because he was so obviously the most damaging player with his running & laser boot & we weren’t exactly flush with great kicking players at the time.
Now I would see him playing a role like Coleman at Brisbane or Waganeen- Milera at the Saints.
When we have Clark, Ryan, Walker as running backs with good disposal with Young in the midfield & now Bolton plus the likes of Simpson & Reid coming through I think Hill might get off the chain a bit more.
The point of my comment which perhaps wasn’t clear was just that. That in this current team he could be a complementary player rather than the one guy you had to stop to beat Freo at the time.
Now I would see him playing a role like Coleman at Brisbane or Waganeen- Milera at the Saints.
When we have Clark, Ryan, Walker as running backs with good disposal with Young in the midfield & now Bolton plus the likes of Simpson & Reid coming through I think Hill might get off the chain a bit more.
The point of my comment which perhaps wasn’t clear was just that. That in this current team he could be a complementary player rather than the one guy you had to stop to beat Freo at the time.
From the drafting of Pavlich on we had plenty of tall forwards including Croad, Brown, Murphy, Campbell Apeness and Polak. For various reasons they disappeared from relevance, but one of them reaching a reasonable level of sustained competence as a forward would have been handy.
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Even Longmuir, J. would have only been 32yo in 2013.
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You forget how "young" he is. The above is actually insane
Unfortunately his knees were showing signs about 10 years earlier.
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