Matthews and Malthouse had star-studded teams. Adelaide under Blight came from nowhere leading into the finals.
I did forget David Parkin in 1995 though. Super recycled coach.
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I did forget David Parkin in 1995 though. Super recycled coach.
I doubt it, they would rather play him 60% no sub than Brodie.
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This 100%
I like JLO and will back him but we need that powerhouse club which we had for only a brief time. Ross gave us that and Chris Scott has that ability too. JLo doesn't
Agree with Scott but if he wont come what about Nathan Buckley, second time round he should be wiser and better after the experience IE Voss
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If we're recycling prior coaches give me Leppitsch over Buckley. After getting sacked he has now been a senior assistant coach for the club that has won four of the last seven flags. Bucks had been playing tennis since he was sacked
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**** this thread is a tough read & a ball hasn’t been kicked in anger yet.
One of the usual subjects mentioned Damian Hardwick. Hardwick didn’t win a final until his 8th season, was nearly sacked twice but was allowed to find a style that worked along with the club realising that getting off field right was just as important as on field.
Bring in who you want, this list still has a way to go as does off field.
One of the usual subjects mentioned Damian Hardwick. Hardwick didn’t win a final until his 8th season, was nearly sacked twice but was allowed to find a style that worked along with the club realising that getting off field right was just as important as on field.
Bring in who you want, this list still has a way to go as does off field.
Ive read a couple of hundred posts on this thread about JLo. Lots of stuff we just dont know what goes on behind closed doors, inexperienced kids etc etc. In my mind he gets one more year to prove himself and it wont be on final ladder position or wins and losses, it will be the way we are playing.
The way I will be judging him is the obvious stuff I can see with my eyes on game day. For example if round 1, we let the opposition kick out from a behind to an unattended player in their back pocket and from there to an unmarked player on the flank and then from there to the wing, before we even man up, I will have an absolute coniption. I will go into apoplexy when the exact opposite happens to us when they kick a point, all our short options are manned up and Ryan goes the 55m bomb.
It just drives me spare to see how easy the opposition clear the ball away from their kick ins and then to see how much we struggle doing exactly the same thing. All those games when Ryan gets caned for blasting away at the kick in, its even worse because the opposition just waltz it out with no pressure at all. Cant an assistant coach take an iphone recording of what the opposition does to us and show it to JLo and say, "Maybe we should do something like this and make it hard for them to clear the ball short - force them into a long bomb"
How can they not address these simple problems??
And to be clear, I wont be blaming Ryan. When it happens game after game, season after season its a coaching issue not a player issue.
The way I will be judging him is the obvious stuff I can see with my eyes on game day. For example if round 1, we let the opposition kick out from a behind to an unattended player in their back pocket and from there to an unmarked player on the flank and then from there to the wing, before we even man up, I will have an absolute coniption. I will go into apoplexy when the exact opposite happens to us when they kick a point, all our short options are manned up and Ryan goes the 55m bomb.
It just drives me spare to see how easy the opposition clear the ball away from their kick ins and then to see how much we struggle doing exactly the same thing. All those games when Ryan gets caned for blasting away at the kick in, its even worse because the opposition just waltz it out with no pressure at all. Cant an assistant coach take an iphone recording of what the opposition does to us and show it to JLo and say, "Maybe we should do something like this and make it hard for them to clear the ball short - force them into a long bomb"
How can they not address these simple problems??
And to be clear, I wont be blaming Ryan. When it happens game after game, season after season its a coaching issue not a player issue.
Or you could mention how Collingwood has as their captain one of the most thoughtful, articulate & authentic captains in the league, a coach who has created an environment where players are encouraged to enjoy their football & play without fear. They have synergy & belief.
You could talk about Pendlebury & Sidebottom who are 2 of the fairest, cleanest players in the game but are supremely talented & invariably stand up in big games.
The Daicos kids aren’t hard nuts but gee they can play.
Dustin Martin had his struggles mainly because of his unorthodox upbringing & his extreme shyness that didn’t cope with the spotlight. Notice how he is protected by the club from interviews and has channeled his insecurity into becoming a fanatical trainer & preparer who has ice in his veins (definitely no pun intended) on the big stage.
The Demons players who took the game away from the Bulldogs at Optus were Jackson, Petracca & Oliver plus Gawn who had an GOAT Season he’s not looked like repeating. All ball players.
I agree to an extent you need some players with white line fever but you don’t need a team of mongrels & a psycho coach.
It’s not the 70’s/80’s anymore.
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I like what you're saying but I think you missed the point. Dockeroo said you can’t win without a few guys like that, he wasn't arguing for a team of mongrels & a psycho coach. He, and others including myself, do question whether the apparently narrow emotion/expression range of the Pearce/JLo combination are the right combo to get the team fired up. Where are Freo's Maynard/De Goey/Elliot? Serong definitely has it week after week, I've seen it in Brayshaw at times, but we need more.
I agree with what you say about McRae, he seems like a brilliant bloke. And I don't think you need to have a**h***s as leaders/coaches, but I do think you need people who naturally express energy/fire/fight in an inspirational way. McRae strikes me as someone who can do this. I haven't seen it in JLo and I don't see that the club have gone for a leadership structure around him that covers this relative weakness. Maybe JLo saves the fire for behind closed doors. If he does I wonder why we consistently start slow and are recognised by all for timid/slow ball movement AND keep dishing it out game after game long after it is recognised as a problem?
So I agree with you that you need some players with white line fever but if the leaders/coaches can't do that themselves then they have to free others up to lead in that way. If they can't then they should not still be leading after 2024.
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well the Bloke got 643 disposals from 24 games in 2022. Solid Stats too.
Even in 2019 when he was in the Suns list, he played 8 games. 7 of those 8 games he got 20-25 disposals.
I still see Will Broadie in our best 22 if he is fully fit. Its not impossible for him to get 20-25 disposals on a good day.
Disagree and offer up the Geelong v Sydney 2022 premiership sides. Peaople might have a whinge about the likes of Blakely or Selwood, but there's no remarkably annoying players on either team.
In the end your anti social footballer list is a list of good AFL players. That is their defining trait. None of them are in another league in terms of aggressive football to Serong or Ryan: both want to deliver pain to their opponents and play physically edgey football.
And worth remembering that some of them came from clubs where they didn't win premierships.
Sure you can win a flag, but the dynasty or multiple premiership clubs have
several players that throw their weight around.
They don’t even need to be giants, I’d take Cyril Rioli and his tackling any day.
Let’s be honest we have a few guys, Serong, Treacy, Erasmus, Johnson that
should be encouraged for white line fever.
Delean is another who looks like being a real pest.
That 2000 Bombers team looked set to win a few GF’s, Pies I think will be in the
same boat. A coach who was renowned for physicality or that brand of footy
understands the art of war.
Who in our box brings that? It’s a glaring deficiency that needs to be addressed
if we are to break the perception that Freo are highly skilled but a soft
underbelly.
several players that throw their weight around.
They don’t even need to be giants, I’d take Cyril Rioli and his tackling any day.
Let’s be honest we have a few guys, Serong, Treacy, Erasmus, Johnson that
should be encouraged for white line fever.
Delean is another who looks like being a real pest.
That 2000 Bombers team looked set to win a few GF’s, Pies I think will be in the
same boat. A coach who was renowned for physicality or that brand of footy
understands the art of war.
Who in our box brings that? It’s a glaring deficiency that needs to be addressed
if we are to break the perception that Freo are highly skilled but a soft
underbelly.
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So are we saying we need to be training campaignism into our players instead of skill & structure? You’re either born with it or not.
Treacy, Ryan & Fyfe (as could Schultz) can all throw their weight around, but unless your successful you look like a fool. Lets get successful first & then we can play with an arrogance that looks like we’re tough.
Treacy, Ryan & Fyfe (as could Schultz) can all throw their weight around, but unless your successful you look like a fool. Lets get successful first & then we can play with an arrogance that looks like we’re tough.
yes there was a bit of hyperbole in my post which you picked me up on.
Agree with what you've said except I actually see Alex Pearce as very similar in leadership style and personality to Darcy Moore. He's not as articulate but few are. He has the same authenticity and general style to his leadership. It's taken him a while to adapt to the responsibility and his game suffered but as his best he's very very good. I'm happy for him to have another year at it.
We saw what JL could do when he still had Mundy and the backs were all settled and playing together. We have nothing like the experience of Collingwood's senior core available.
I'm still on the fence. If Fyfe gets back, Pearce gets back, Cox, Ryan get back and the likes of Clark, Young, Strong Brayshaw, Amiss, Treacy, Johnson keep trending the way they are we'll have some weapons. I still don't think it stacks up with Collingwood's list or GWS but its trending the right way.
Who has the best gains this preseason?
Amiss. That should be the standard.
GWS will just bully us, Pies will just outrun and pressure us to go slow.
Whats our counter, we don’t have one.
Don’t count on Fyfe, turning back the clock just enjoy watching Green and
reminisce.
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I think you mean half empty
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Which half?
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So are we saying we need to be training campaignism into our players instead of skill & structure?
No.
A simple change might have been making Serong captain. This strengthens his authority to lead and sends a statement to the players about the team character we want to pursue.
This is not a knock on Pearce's leadership capacity. It is simply saying that it looks like he and JLo might not be the best combo, perhaps they don't complement one another in a way that is best for the team. It feels like we have two good cops leading when the good cop/bad cop routine migh be more effective.
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A lot of speculation there, what if Serong has said he just wants to focus on playing for now & doesn’t want the extra commitment that comes with captaining?
Its not just about tossing the coin & talking to the players prior to the game, there’s a fair amount of extra education they partake in.
You can be a leader without having a c next to your name, the players constantly talk about the younger playing driving the standards.
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fair points but if we excluded all speculation we'd have very little to post about!
Yep. Fyfe is doing a lot of work educating the young players & you could make a case for Walters being the spirit animal of this team for years.
Remember when he came on at Optus as sub after injury last year. Kicked a goal straight away & the whole team lifted.
Darcy Moore is just as man bun, long hair, modern healthy masculine as Pearce and also plays defense while McRae expresses very similar sentiments about coaching as JL.
Let’s face it, he just has a better team to work with. Their blend of top end mature talent & young elite players is the best in the league.
JL has already proved when he’s got the right blend he can get the team humming & engineer big game performances as in 2022 against Melbourne & Geelong.
He’s also proven he can move the magnets and pull off one of the greatest come from behind efforts in a finals game in our history.
Let’s see what he can do with fit Fyfe, Tab, Chappy & another year into our young guys, especially Jackson, Amiss & Young as a full time mid plus some actual specialist wings & Aish as a full time experienced head in the backline & Walker back as a stopper.
Remember when he came on at Optus as sub after injury last year. Kicked a goal straight away & the whole team lifted.
Darcy Moore is just as man bun, long hair, modern healthy masculine as Pearce and also plays defense while McRae expresses very similar sentiments about coaching as JL.
Let’s face it, he just has a better team to work with. Their blend of top end mature talent & young elite players is the best in the league.
JL has already proved when he’s got the right blend he can get the team humming & engineer big game performances as in 2022 against Melbourne & Geelong.
He’s also proven he can move the magnets and pull off one of the greatest come from behind efforts in a finals game in our history.
Let’s see what he can do with fit Fyfe, Tab, Chappy & another year into our young guys, especially Jackson, Amiss & Young as a full time mid plus some actual specialist wings & Aish as a full time experienced head in the backline & Walker back as a stopper.
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Yeah I knew I quoted my post....
5 years is the average life period of a dockers coach.
Justin Longmuir is in his 5th season. he could be gone in 2024.
List wise where are really lacking to not win 50 percent of our games?
Neesham in his last year had less to work with and nearly made finals.
A genuine young elite small forward is the only player missing.
It’s totally structures, plays and gameplan that you see needing attention.
We are predictable and even in 2022 we were lucky to get a final at home against
another flaky team.
Why would want Beverage anyway? Corey is already here and how many other
Bulldogs?
JLo would do better under the previous rules like WC who like to retain and
control ball movement.
It’s why Buckley was moved on and the results were outstanding, and in 2
years resulted in a flag.
No risk no reward, we just never seem to get the balance right or different
characters in the box to succeed.
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